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[Flavor Leaf]

If I were scum, DnD wouldn’t have ever died here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like I get what you’re getting at, Gamma, but you’re barking up the wrong tree

[Gamma Emerald]

Bull shit. There was already 6 on it before your vote and I don’t recall you ever pushing them.

[Flavor Leaf]

So? What does that mean for anything? Three votes happened on the same page.

[Flavor Leaf]

Without waiting for a claim, without giving intent

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma, if you’re town, you’re just wrong.

Don’t argue at me.

Like, nothing you say towards me in that manner matters at all because I know I’m not red.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Off chance Tris is town, best to bring her into the medium.

Plus, i can just roleblock Gamma, and if they’re the scum team, it’s gg.

Yeah, that’s what I figured.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

jjh is locktown for me. I reread that day 2 start message during the time my gambit was happening and figured he was the one who sent it, and I town locked him from that point on

could you explain this in more depth? why can't scum make that crier message?

Well there’s the fact he didn’t seem to expect Poiky to die, that could be faked but I also think between the two messages he’s demonstrated a solid aura of being comfortable, which I think scum wouldn’t feel rn

“comfortable”? but Pooky point, I can see that part of it.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

reads are something like:

{haya}
{ampharos, kaname}

{everyone else}
{gamma, FL, sailor girls}

- Daenerys

This is where I’m seeing a rule of three against Flavor

As for the other things, one is very early in tris’ ISO, and the other is a behavioral pattern, I could cite specific posts but I think it’s better to combined ISO tris and D&D, they both seemed averse to voting Flavor D1, D&D especially

Scum usually don’t put buddies at the top of their list. Amy dead town and 2/3 of my top townreads at the top. Did their list change after they were hammered though? Rule of the 3 generally refers to scum when they’re on their way down.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

ugh. i'm gonna be light SRing Ampharos for the whole game, partly in reaction to the townreads she's accruing. what makes this difficult is she's working with a different site culture than what i'm used to. and her play looks high-level, which isn't AI but does always succeed in pressing the paranoia button.
i agree with her takes, i think. to echo her thoughts on Flavor Leaf, i need to see her really push something.

you know, I think I have to take a step back a bit on my ampharos read as well. I thought her presence in the beginning of the game was strong and initially townread her for that, but it’s dropped off a lot since then so she’s probably now close to null for me.

- Daenerys

630 confitowns KD.

~M

Idk about conftown but it does point to KD being town

Scum don’t usually change their reads because of what a buddy says, so yeah.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Gamma, if you’re town, you’re just wrong.

Don’t argue at me.

Like, nothing you say towards me in that manner matters at all because I know I’m not red.

Based on role claims, it’s unlikely that both neighbourizing roles are scum and Tris sr you because based on her role, yours is suspect, so mechanically. a Tris/FL team makes 0 sense, because in the event of a Tris scumflip, two scum neighbourizer type roles are highly unlikely.

Tris responded very similar to me as scum!Rando did in Labrynth, except for her push on you and her nixing my KD neighbourize suggestion but she insisted she tr Amy while respecting my slight paranoia on her but seemed quite fine with backing me on my Gamma suspicions. Her response to my Gamma read made me feel kind of pocketed similar with Rando.

However without the Amy flip and Hya track, she would have 100% had me pocketed but if her “I do” thing was on the level, I think I should have gotten confirmation of it by now. I got confirmation of my Gamma TA, so why not that?

Don’t know if any of this is useful but it obviously will if she flips scum.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

initial thoughts:
- townlean on Hayasaka, her panic over possibly-gladiating Kaname sounds genuine
- agree with Cakes on not liking pooky's vote on prune after the joke had, like, already ended
- I like kaname's vote/opinion on dr. pepper; townlean on kaname as well.
- fish fluffposting is bad
- Flavor Leaf's scumread on tris is ??? this makes no sense:

Spoiler: @FL

Also, I understand why people would town read tris, at least after where I was in my catchup when I made that post which is why I wasn't going to bring it up quite yet. The main point from my initial post regarding Tris was the timing of whoever said they were townie vibes, because that came before I started to be able to see some town sides in Tris, but then we got positioned onto tris moreso than my actual questioning of this

light v read on tris for not realizing a joke rvs vote was a joke rvs vote

Interesting, I kinda got off vibes from tris from their acknowledgement of me. Albeit true, it feels like they were setting up a

Gamefic

, a fact and comment that is used to support a gamestate world where certain things get pushed into a narrative fact.

While I do have a strong presence in games, I found it odd for Tris to bring that up during my first string of posting, especially because I've been offsite for months. I don't know, it felt subtly manipulative in a harmless way, which is what scum actually do rather than what people think scum do, if that makes sense.

I wasn't going to say anything about it because it's so early in the game, but seeing an exact opposite read, even if it was for a different reason was weird and I want it on record that I found it weird.

The post was actually me pushing something off about Ampharos, not Tris.

when you were questioned on your tris read, you said it was really an ampharos read, but in 121 you said that tris "screamed" scum. Why would you say that directly after 120 if you weren't using 120 to develop your tris read? What else in tris's ISO, then, were you calling scummy?

It feels like FL is like weirdly positioning himself around both ampharos and tris with 120/121

- am on board with gamma wagon

I made it to page 9, have to run unfortunately. More later!

- Daenerys

This very likely points to Tris and FL not buddies, especially if Tris flips scum.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

DnD

want to be massons with me?

I'll pass and I think Daenerys would too

290
why is the progression bad? thinking a player is a newbie and realizing they really are not is often going to change a read considerably.

Because it feels more like backpedaling due to pressure rather then a genuine reassessment

Dragons

More evidence of KD!town. Whatever your alignment Gamma, DnD is trying really hard to make you look like a buddy.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

.... he is.... in my top tier.... of scumreads....

Yeah, but it’s almost coming across like tactical positioning, almost to act like you have some sort of pressure somewhere to make it seem like you’re doing something.

Gamma was a third scum read, Venus was your first. Why wasn’t your vote on Venus, or at least on me? You actively made the choice to go to Gamma over the other 2 higher for a reason.

I legit don't know what you're asking me about. They're in the same tier because it's not like one in particular is higher over another. We were already voting Gamma, so the vote stays on Gamma. If we feel like our vote is no longer useful there or we get a stronger read on someone else, then we'll move it to someone else who's in our scumreads.

If you're scumreading me for questioning posts that are definitely questionable, then just come out and say it.

- Daenerys

Why are you so quick to jump to conclusions?

I’m simply questioning what I would like to understand.

"I feel like there's wolves in the people who are slightly trying to push me, but not pooky and not amph." Hmmmmmmmmmm wonder who else you could be talking about?

- Daenerys

FL definitely not a DnD buddy.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

here is final readslist:

{Hayasaka}
{Kaname}
{everyone else}

{gamma, jjh, VMP, fish, FL, pooky}

I am totally aware that being wagoned might be contributing to me scumreading almost everyone on the wagon but I can’t figure out how to not let it affect my reads so /shrug

Again, I wanna point out that almost no one has given actual reasons for being on the wagon, with the exception of, I think VMP, gamma, and tris. No one has defended against the wagon. sorry but yall kinda fucked yourselves because I don’t even know how to figure out what people’s alignments are based on this wagon, sooooo good luck

I was in the process of writing up a really long reply to VMP last night, but the gist of it is that I feel like they’ve dodged every question I’ve tried to ask them by either asking me why I asked it, giving a patronizing non-answer, etc; have picked apart our posts word by word to find things to shade us for; and in general I feel like have been pretty condescending towards us. (I guess the last thing isn’t a reason to scumread them, I just don’t like it and that influences my feelings about their slot.) I’m also somewhat suspicious of them and Gamma together, because Gamma said something about fish voting gamma that I had already said earlier, and VMP tossed an easy townread at Gamma but it didn’t change anything about their read on us. (This is why I asked that question about whether or not we were in their POE.)

jjh has very little content in recent days other than saying we’re scum (and no reasons for it)

pooky seems to be also dodging questions/content and has been shitposting; when I asked him for reads, he flat-out ignored me; and just seems content to just skate by without doing anything substantive

FL hammer was bad, he previously had said that our slot is likely green and a miselim

I liked gamma’s more recent posting a bit better but he basically hasn’t done anything except complain about his vote recently and I didn’t like the vote to begin with

fish I can’t quite put my finger on, I think it bothers me that he supposedly thinks my attempts to engage with him were scum-motivated, but like, unless he thinks Gamma and I are scum together, if I were scum surely I’d want him on the gamma wagon?

- Daenerys

@Gamma would you call this the rule of the five?

~M

[BrightEyedFish]

Day commute? Don’t you mean night? because if you can self-target at night I would but a day commute would do what? prevent someone from voting? Well if we fade Tris, then Gamma is the only logical option if it actually happens during the day.

~M

I have to perform the action during the day, the targets commutes that night. It has something like a loud modifier too so it will be confirmed to everyone.

[BrightEyedFish]

EBWOP

target*

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Day commute? Don’t you mean night? because if you can self-target at night I would but a day commute would do what? prevent someone from voting? Well if we fade Tris, then Gamma is the only logical option if it actually happens during the day.

~M

I have to perform the action during the day, the targets commutes that night. It has something like a loud modifier too so it will be confirmed to everyone.

EBWOP

target*

Well then if possible you should probably either self-target today or target someone who you tr without NAs tonight.

~M

[BrightEyedFish]

Have we confirmed the existence of the medium?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Have we confirmed the existence of the medium?

No not yet because no one he has mediumed has said anything that can be validated by anyone still living in the playerlist, possibly because no one who has been medumed so far has had much familiarity with much of the playerlist. Like Hya for example mentioned “cooldodge” but if FL say hypothetically posted that in the thread and Hya was dead, saying Hya says “cooldodge” to VMP. that would obviously be a confirmation.

~M

[BrightEyedFish]

I got the go-ahead from Mod to ask this.

@FL @Pooky

Ask Pooky to tell you who his Week 1 and Week 2 Matchups are against in FF.

[jjh927]

Scum
D&D: The Devil - upright
- 1 shot action negator/mailman
- can PM a message to another player through the mod
- bringing negative tendencies to light, attachment

Town
Pooky: The Magician - upright
- ascetic innocent child Arcana cop
- power, focus, significant ability

DrPepper: Strength - reversed
- vengeful/learns number of players that visit them at night
- self-doubt, inner strength, raw emotional reaction

Not Mafia: Justice - upright
- whatever the hell the first part means
- passive [balance] vote when being voted while not voting another player
- justice, fairness, an equal measured response

Ampharos: The Lovers - reversed
- neighbour with tris
- even night targeted redirector
- hated or loved based on action of target
- self-love, disharmony, strained relationships

???
tris: The Lovers - upright
- neighbourizer/conditional BP with neighbours
- choices, unity of two forces

VMP: The Chariot - reversed
- traffic analyst/coroner
- powerlessness, lack of direction

Flavor Leaf: The Fool - reversed?
- has two votes/medium
- one roleblocks, the other brings the player he is voting into his medium PT during the day
- at night deaths automatically go to his PT
- maybe also a jester
- i'm at a loss regarding the tarot meaning

jjh: High Priestess - upright
- crier/targets Arcana and role hits corresponding player
- subconsciousness (we sleep at night?), intuition, divine wisdom

Hayasaka: The Emperor - reversed
- gladiator/conditional tracker
- domination, asserting control

Gamma: The Devil - reversed
- odd-night bus drive
- freedom from limitations, detachment

Fish: Unclaimed/Tower? - reversed?
- non-consecutive roleblocker
- 1-shot day commuter
- resisting change, delaying disaster

other notes:
the Devil and the Lovers counterpart each other, both representing a relationship between two people and visually echoing each other. it makes sense they're the only Arcana with multiple holders. anyone with more knowledge than me might be able to elaborate on this.




this isn't useful, but i went through the trouble so i'm going to post it for interest's sakem i was hoping something about claims could be discovered but while things

fit

, a lot of it is a fairly loose interpretation from me.
but it's enough i'm unwilling to claim my own arcana today.

Good post, but my high priestess is reversed.

[jjh927]

At least, I'm pretty sure this is the case

[BrightEyedFish]

Fish: Unclaimed/Tower? - reversed?
- non-consecutive roleblocker
- 1-shot day commuter
- resisting change, delaying disaster

Tower is correct.

[BrightEyedFish]

Anyone home?