Open 794 Pick Your Power X/Y (finished)

[Something_Smart]

It's mechanically optimal for him to decide depending on what his result is...?

[Datisi]

you'd think i'd have enough of a brain to connect that myself.

maybe i should sleep...

[word321]

So:
-From 4 first picks of the game, the 1st AND 3rd decided both it was a good idea to pick one of universal backup or rolecop as a +EV for town instead of a cop or other "shenanigan" like that: I think there r rly high probabilities one of em is scum and one aint.
-Furthermore, scum DID pick 1-vig, and it is obvious that no 2 scums would go for the same pair. If we believe that there is scum in the first 3 picks and it wasnt only marqis, THERE NECESSARILY IS a scum favouring role among Doc, Umlau, and S_S.

Im A-ok sending doc to the gallows just for his role tbh.
VOTE: Doc

[Datisi]

hi word what is your opinion of gypyx and the wagon situation we had at EoD yesterday

[word321]

tbh untill ppl began talkin about how it would be horrible for gypyx to do that as scum and that gypyx is not the kind of guy to throw a game I almost

hammered

him

[word321]

but those kind of opinions made me recapacitate, and it is quite clear for me that gypyx was a counterwagon

[word321]

I honsetly dnt know why ppl r hammering on that so much

[word321]

(sry for the word; "hammering" as in "repeatedly striking the naill", not to place the last vote)

[Datisi]

gypyx isn't powerful or loud as scum but he is audiacious.
gypyx isn't powerful or loud in this game but he is audacious.

the scumclaim isn't a ~towny move~. it's not a ~scummy move~. it's transparently a reaction test, same as his test to being fakehammered before.
can town do reaction tests? yes, to try and sort players.
can scum do reaction tests? yes, to try and look towny.
so what do we make of the fact his evaluation of reactions to his reaction test is shitty?

i acknowledge the reasoning that gypyx wouldn't gamethrow as scum. he's not banned, so i agree he's not a thrower. i absolutely refute the reasoning that because he's not gamethrowing, he's towny.

what do you think of this

[DrDolittle]

I thought i wanted to say a thing.

Then I realized that I really didn't have anything to say to someone makes the excellent deduction, if we believe A B and C is scum, then there necessarily is a scum in A B and C; and give the inspiring hot take, if two people have the same thought process, its rly high probabilities that one of em is scum and one aint

[Datisi]

lol i have so many things i want to argue about but i'm like... going to Not do that right now because i need to sleep and i need to talk to the dragon first

[word321]

when said thought process is unusual for town, and 2 allegedly town players have the same when they have the first picks of the games, well, let me doubt of at least one of em

[Datisi]

this just in, picking a unibackup or rolecop is unusual for town

[word321]

2 allegedly town players with the possibility of having the 1st and 3rd picks of the game choosing to pick universal backup (and while I can somewhat agree with the rolecop serving something, I still highly believe usual cop is way better for all intents and purpose, simply cause TOWN WILL NEVER LIE ABOUT THEIR ROLE) is simply the least likely choice on my eyes

[word321]

Im actually only on u doc cause u were the first one to pick
Id believe u more if u tried that as the 3rd or 4th pick tbh

[Datisi]

are you trying to argue that drd is likelier to be scum because he picked rolecop over cop *specifically*?

yeah ok i'll deal with this in the morning. nobody hammer anything, thanks.

[word321]

I believe that there is a ascum in umlaut and doc
And i believe that for now, doc is the scummier one given circumstances relatively to umlaut

[word321]

At the end of the day tho Im willing to go for both

[Datisi]

at the end of the day we will be going for gypyx

[word321]

U can ask urself what is the priority roles scum would pick first place
If it aint 1 shot vig, u have ur answer
Pedit: ok

[Datisi]

but on the other hand; scum picking Role Cop over Jailkeeper/1-shot vig/Roleblocker/Vengeful for first pick is very unusual.

i'd maybe even add the 1-shot redirector or commuter. like rolecop is actually a very shitty role for scum in this setup because (1) scum will already know where the town power is situated around based on draft and (2) claims in this game are happening much faster than in a closed game

[Something_Smart]

U can ask urself what is the priority roles scum would pick first place
If it aint 1 shot vig, u have ur answer

This is a good point... from my POV, but not yours. How do you know that I'm not scum with the scumteam's first-pick role?

[Gypyx]

I thought i wanted to say a thing.

Then I realized that I really didn't have anything to say to someone makes the excellent deduction, if we believe A B and C is scum, then there necessarily is a scum in A B and C; and give the inspiring hot take, if two people have the same thought process, its rly high probabilities that one of em is scum and one aint

Uhh what, might be because it's 00:30 where i am but could you explain what you mean there? I don't see what your point is even applying to

[the worst]

hello

[the worst]

Is it even a cliche scum pick though? Isn't 1-shot vig/vengeful/JK/RB better for scum?

this is what I'm getting at. Rolecop is a cheesy scum role, but it's not actually very useful for scum in this setup.