Open 791 | Forest Fire | Game Over

[Isis]

i'm hoping morning tweet does the towncase because i will find it entertaining

but i know i ought to be hoping because it could help me read her

[Isis]

loki is purring

[Isis]

i'm fascinated by the stuff people townread me for

although it seems like most of the time the people who towncase me are scum?
it's interesting though

[Isis]

Bell do you think GuiltyLion is conftown

[Isis]

That’s pretty normal. Sometimes I think readslists can be like self portraits and people will think you’re town if you flatter them.

the thing is i'm almost never a key voter

but scums do it because im almost always top poster
i was surprised by my postcount this game
just always whoops high

[Isis]

No.

i guess if I think you're town and smart then it's always GuiltyLion then

i still prooooobably think i'm gonna do the whole, play out the game presuming your town, for that part

but I don't feel convinced by your tea leaves or tweet townreads
in fairness i can't remember them

if you wanted to link your own posts maybe that'd help me

[Isis]

2. She voted him first. I don’t think she was avoiding or protecting him in anyway.

this gets me a bit

[Isis]

i can't remember GL and ydrasse interacting at all

[Isis]

that could be coincidence but when i roll scum i hate interacting with my partners

[Isis]

idk what you're tlaking about but i'm tispy and when i get home when i'm tipsy i generally try my mailkey and my desk key and my car key and jiggle them before actually using my apartment key to get inside

[Isis]

I read 2030 just now after 2031

it reminded me that Ydrasse's bizarre "vote someone before claim procedure is over" thing is bad on anyone if she's scum but like extra bad if voting GL was a bus

cause she knows he's not going to claim FF, he's the team deepwolf

so that's what makes her mind go dismissy on the claim patience

she is all about oh no i am the most suspected and dunnstral chop bounced cause claim, i need to contribute with some antispew

[Isis]

Morning Tweet it's antispew

you can't antispew by voting townies
only by voting your partner

[Isis]

Ydrasse assumes no cc because she knows I'm town

sure but then why doesn't she immediately re-place her vote? She waited for several townies to claim didn't she? (not actually a rhetorical question mark i'm not 100% on whether her activity pattern just randomly made her show up after Dunn claim and all no-ccs- except dunn)

the explanation would be GL is partner?

i agree it's not the kind of thing you would completely base a vote on

i just have found town indicative things about every other slot

and idk if I understand why GL vs. Ydrasse isn't a false dilemma

[Isis]

hectic you wake up too early you need to sleep in and miss your schedule and stuff

[Isis]

morning tweet is a bat type pokiemon

[Isis]

tweet if GL isnt' scum I don't know who the scum is anymore

[Isis]

please help me are you town

[Isis]

i don't like this game i don't like having a poe that poes everyone and then i have nowhere to believe

[Isis]

bell convinced me a little bit about ydrasse bussing tea first without daytalk but i guess maybe still tea

teascum is my soulread

[Isis]

i don't like this game i don't like having a poe that poes everyone and then i have nowhere to believe

That's been my experience in every game I've ever played

And yet i still play this game for some reason

i don't usually have this problem
you should learn my paranoias that usually give me 1-2 slots i think can be scum

[Isis]

please don't quit mafia nayway it is the most beautiful game

[Isis]

i think i started playing mafia slightly before magic and i think it's the game i've played the mostest of my life on tallying

[Isis]

Hectic is OP at both alignments

[Isis]

he doesn't know how to read me though

[Isis]

hectic do you want to read me consistently one day

or is it more magical if i'm mysterious

[Isis]

it's not!

i want to tell that to people who PoE everyone but themselves too!

[Isis]

i was double ninjaed

[Isis]

i don't like this game i don't like having a poe that poes everyone and then i have nowhere to believe

It’s you.

if this worked i would be scum 100% of the time

i'm gonna pretend i didn't scumread you in wolf dance in exactly the same manner Bell is scumreading me

[Isis]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[Isis]

Morning Tweet you are really fun and one of my favorite players.

i'm just drunkposting perpendicular to wincon i might get voted for pocketing
remember the first game we played
where i convinced you to mark heaven
using reasons
and arguments
and persuasion
and friendship
it was so great
such good times
good times were had

[Isis]

i still don't know why bell is town

i think farren and bell are like similar slots and i feel much more convinced farren is town

[Isis]

Case: To put it as simply as possible. Ydrasse is self-narrating, watching and waiting, pocketing Isis in a way that is confusing because Isis should know he's being pocketed.
And a bunch of other minor things.

this is just looks like a tmi scumread to me
i guess if bell is town he will be mad at me for misestimating his understanding of the game

but the last clause doesn't link up to alignments at alllllllllllllllllll

i never liked it but it's worse when ydrasse is scum

[Isis]

I think it's Hobbes but if not, probably Bell.

i'm just gonna be hardpocketed here

[Isis]

Play every mafia game like it's your last

[Isis]

i probably wouldn't post this if i wasn't drunk
but glork literally played a mafia game as his last, with terminal cancer, and decide from the start he wouldn't join any after
idk if he won or lost but also he didn't know if he won or lost
it makes me want to devote all the more effort to playing every mafia game like it's my last, that he literally played a mafia game knowing it was his last
i really really think mafia with a full track record of looking back and people admitting to their own patterns is still a beautiful, beautiful game. i stil thinnk it is in some ways the best game i've ever played
please play every game like your last
there's only one maybe two sentient species if the dolphans are playing mafia and not translating for us
it's such a cool game
i will try to shut up
and alt tab into my singleplayer gaem

pedit x3: i guess being in Bell's top2 should make me as upset as being in his top 1 in terms of win perent but tuilty being top makes me p happy so ikd

[Isis]

im really glad i made morning tweet want to play more mafia

i didn't know her super well in permanent marker i only knew she probably llliked cute mammals
and i like bats too when i was in gradeschool i read silverwign

[Isis]

my cousin went to st. andrews for college/university
i hope your school is a good st.andrews rival twee

but if it has less trig power it's not cause trig is awesome
UNIT CIRCLE
sports don't matter
but brits like the kickball
i tried to talk to hectic about mario tennis in a scum pt
and he barely responded]
cause he wanted me to namedrop mario strikers obvii obvi

[Isis]

That is a sad story.

glork has a strictly positive legacy on site. a lot of users have mixed legacy onsite, somehow those users didn't get cancer; i have never heard anything negative about glork.

iI am sad I only played one game with Glork, but I am extremely glad I played more than zero games with glork, and more than zero games aligned with glork.

he was a very very proficient player.

,

[Isis]

I don't know that Glork was a major proponent of playing every game like it's your last, to be clear.
It's a concept I've heard, and adopted, indepent of him

i just know he did play a game -as-his last

it would not be fair to project beliefs onto him he didn't hold, maybe he felt for people who could assess their own life expectancy at ~20 years he thought playing a meta that maximized future wins was good, I don't agree with that view but he would be totally entitled to it and it wouldn't be a view I would disrespect/condescend to.

I just feel more invigorated about my pet view about playing every mafia game like your last after knowing he played a mafia game as his last is what I am saying/said

[Isis]

I haven't played Mario Tennis #.#
Had you talked to me about Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games I'd be giving you essays on optimal javelin throw strats

kthat game like review 2/10 stars or something awful

if you want me to play it, i will mail you a disc for sonic 2006, you can mail me the similarly awful game in exchange

[Isis]

MT hsbr i made any lines this game that would make you mad if i was scum?

[Isis]

i like both green treefolk and black bats is that ok?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!!?

[Isis]

Ydrasse assumes no cc because she knows I'm town

Does she, though, in a no day-talk setup? At least, if her partner is last in line to claim and could theoretically counterclaim?

That'd be another piece of evidence that it's not Ydrasse|GL. If GL is her partner, she can't know there's no counterclaim coming even though she knows Dunnstral's town. The only way she knows there's no cc coming is if GL is Town as well.

The stronger scum never CCs day 1 in this setup. Why on this precious earth do you think any player needs daychat to figure out how that is a losing play? If you like imagining players using the game thread as a substitute for daychat maybe Ydrasse voted him to cue him that counterclaiming would be awful play. But really I don't think that was necessary.

[Isis]

I will be so mad if Farren's town because I'm hoping this is like just a total in ability to perspective borrow what it's like to be scum trying to make sure 1-2 players survive this setup, it doesn't involve claiming to confirm yourself scum frequently

[Isis]

*inability

[Isis]

bell convinced me a little bit about ydrasse bussing tea first without daytalk but i guess maybe still tea

teascum is my soulread

How consistent would you say you've been on this since you first formed this read?

Not very consistent? Tea leaves seems townish a lot but I'm giving him a high bar cause he's good at mafias

[Isis]

GuiltyLion is a well known player on site and it is well known his brain is not a potato. He's very proficient

[Isis]

Farren's position is so unusual I'm wondering if its scummy but it doesn't seem to function on alignment really. He just has a scum playbook that considers suicidal CCs a lot more seriously than I would

[Isis]

I feel emotive about something but it's not even something where I can catch any scummmm

[Isis]

Tea leaves, why is tweet town?

I wish guilty was posting

[Isis]

VOTE: tea leaves

[Isis]

Farren please don't be scum I couldn't handle that

[Isis]

VOTE: Bell

[Isis]

has anyone ever rolled a radarcowbells rand where he's always in the scum pt telling the mod "don't count me as confirmed for the game yet I need my pregame playbooking" and there's like 2 pockets and a bus planned by noon

[Isis]

my main thing with tea leaves is I don't believe he townreads me

[Isis]

If Ydrasse is in your scum reads why aren't you voting there?

Case: To put it as simply as possible. Ydrasse is self-narrating, watching and waiting, pocketing Isis in a way that is confusing because Isis should know he's being pocketed.
And a bunch of other minor things.

Think of it as the replace in perspective. To me Ydrasse looks like obvious scum. (inb4 she flips town). But I think my read is quite serious. I'm fine with ending the day now on that elimination and I can case if I want and I don't think Ydrasse could do much to change my mind on their slot because they made too many posts that ping to me.

Does scum!Bell call his partner obvious scum almost immediately upon replacing in? There was no heat on her at the time for the most part because Guilty was helping me with Dunn

That's the wine, yes, but if you decide to taste the wine none of his reasons to scumread her make sense

[Isis]

Even when you "soulread" me town you have reasons that don't make sense you list off

I actually kind of wonder if you'd be too selfaware to not list reasons if you were scum
But like
I have a temptation to not vote you when you're the only one townreading me but then I feel guilty to lean into that if it's undeveloped

[Isis]

I remember when ank was in a happy mood one month and all her sentences had one exclamation point and it was nice and chippy

[Isis]

Genuine frustration at me "townslipping" when clidd was your biggest scumlead

This was scummy when I perceived your experience level as lower tbh

You should stop secret alting and only play on accounts names gentleman 5 that use this avatar

[Isis]

Why would there ever be reasons not to townread me?! Silly farren

[Isis]

Farren why did you stop posting in our PT? we need to keep up our plotting if we are going to bamboozle Hectic

[Isis]

i'll take that as a no

[Isis]

it just meant have you ever rolled scum with radarcowballs

[Isis]

VOTE: Bell

[Isis]

I'm not mafia but I might be a fiddle that Hectic is playing a jig with

[Isis]

I'm not mafia but I might be a fiddle that Hectic is playing a jig with

Hey, I can still be town while doing that surely

remember that time were both scum
but still I pockitted you with dioramas?

[Isis]

I'm doing it as town right now
I think I have an imbalance where I reference meta a bit too much as scum compared to town and I do it in a way that should make my alignment discernible, even if no one has done so yet. I need to work on evening it out.

That's kind of a different topic from memeposts like 2264 though. I'm surprised you find that alignment indicative at all?

[Isis]

It doesn't seem very tactical to use stories to pocket one of the only players in the game that already townreads me, and that I still possibly want to chop

I can understand de ja vu paranoia feels though

Bell if your two biggest detractors are Isis and tea leaves which one do you think is scummier in their detraction?

[Isis]

i actually pretty rarely pressure people to read them, and it follows that if I were scum I wouldn't be trying to emulate a towngame that votes people for pressure

i am townreading everyone and trying to place a vote on someone who might be scum right now and feeling the least doubtful about you. for now. that is what I'm doing. I wouldn't call it pressure.

[Isis]

do you have a scumgame that would convince me you're bus-averse?

[Isis]

VOTE: tea

[Isis]

VOTE: Bell
I think tea is more likely to flip scum, but bell is more likely to be covered in gasoline and function as a free elim

[Isis]

if it's farren i tar and feather myself and run through the town square as an embarassing spectacle to all

[Isis]

VOTE: Morning Tweet

[Isis]

VOTE: tea

[Isis]

2304 is a scumpost

[Isis]

bell vote with me

[Isis]

i am in drunk form right now

[Isis]

it gives me imperviousnes to hectic's special passive abilities

[Isis]

hectic is openwolfing and has been openwolfing all game and he repped in after clidd was openwolfing

[Isis]

if you're not scum you need to drop the locktown on a player who only played 10% of this mafia game and vote scum with me

[Isis]

i am serious

[Isis]

i am angry

[Isis]

this game needs to be solved

[Isis]

tweet is probably not actually scum

[Isis]

farren isn't scum

[Isis]

this game is fraying my sanity

[Isis]

my townreads keep townreading the people i'm not townreading and then there is nobody left

[Isis]

HECTIC YOU'RE SCUM

[Isis]

YOU HAVEN'T CONVINCED ME YOU'RE NOT SCUM
YOU'VE JUST MADE ME NOT WANT TO ELIMINATE YOU

[Isis]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Isis]

HECTIC WHY
WHY WON'T YOU HAVE MERCY ON ME

[Isis]

you shouldn't have enuough scum wim left to be playing this line after nightmare





asld;faaaaaaakjkjkjkjepghwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwiunjeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewpgtfwpqf

[Isis]

hectice
hectic
hectic


do you scumread farren

[Isis]

wpeofipoajsndpgjnpgrn

[Isis]

don't you townread me more though

i'm snowy

[Isis]

i'm prettier than farren tho

[Isis]

VOTE: Guilty

hahah i got a spot on the wagon

This vote is also super strange. It comes after Ydrasse did that scummy L-1 vote on Hobbes, and we all discuss how scummy that is and momentum starts to shift back to Ydrasse from Hobbes. Queue Morning coming in putting Hobbes right back on L-1.

i'm going to win this game with toxicity
this post is so british it's grammatically incorrect even for british english
"Queue" means to wait in line but only if you're british, but here the word should be "cue" to indicate that the prequisite event for a subsequent triggered event has lined up

[Isis]

also your avatar sucks, leageaon doesn't have leaf features when it's a baby, when it's a baby it's an eevee

[Isis]

*leafeon

[Isis]

also why would an animal need a pot, it's an animal, not a plant

[Isis]

Sorry! I also like fireworks if that helps.

the forest fire that dannflor is probably smelling was started by fireworks, if i highlight this post he might modkill u and make this game easier to solve

this is a toxik underhanded strategy i came up with

[Isis]

The Eevee evolved while it was still a baby. What, you some kind of Pokémon expert now?

THAT'S ILLEGAL

[Isis]

I'd prefer tea or water.

IN THIS POST, TEA LEAVES ACTIVELY EXPRESSES INTEREST IN CANNIBALISTIC BEHAVIOUR WITH A 'U'

[Isis]

I have evolved

ELIMINATE ALL LIARS

[Isis]

Don't worry about me, everyone. I will withstand this brutal attack.

LEAFEON'S BASE SPECIAL DEFENSE IS ONLY 65 AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE MY BRUTAL ATTACKS ARE SPECIAL

[Isis]

YOU'RE SO BAD AT SCUM YOU CAN'T MISLIM AN AFK HALF A MILE BEFORE DEADLINE HECTIC

[Isis]

VOTE: Morning

You're being really non-committal. Like, saying you might be swayed by my self-meta, or you're not sure about Bell's responses, and throwing out a lot of info of events, but not very much analysis. Do something with your research!

if you are town, why wasn't this a naked vote?

[Isis]

this vote is so justified

it's like exactly the roadmap you gave me for scumreading you.

[Isis]

you told me that
when you're town you are very train of concousness
and that in nightmare you were very deliberate and intentionanal

you don't have to give MT reasons to make her make squirmy motions
she's morning tweet
you can drop a feather on her and she'll make squirmy motions
i don't buy dat first line

[Isis]

every single scumgame you've played it's been very apparent that you know I'm town

so talking to me like you know i'm town

just can never make me feel good

(((

[Isis]

In fact, when's the last time you even saw me vote someone with no comment on why?

Pedit: I just think you're town which is why I'm trying to talk you down like this

neber but i want to have a vote ifeel good about in thsi game

you won't help me
you won't even fiddle play me onto a vote
you just
do hectic things
you're so mean
you are toxic

[Isis]

Hectic why are you so toxci

[Isis]

hm i'm probably not supopsed to joke about toxicity whlile occupying a slot that had to be banend for toxicity huh? blehh

[Isis]

VOTE: Dannflor

[Isis]

I didn't think it would be a hammer

[Isis]

Hectic's play in nightmare was a bit meh >_>

[Isis]

But historically he says he's never been eliminated day 1 which makes me think a loss of desire to kill hectic is poorly correlated with hectic being town

[Isis]

VOTE: GL

[Isis]

I think you're 1% more likely to siteflake if you're alive in a scum game and in a game where I keep townreading everyone who posts maybe that's enough

[Isis]

I didn't think it would be a hammer

Can you point to any self-meta showing that you do things like this as Town? Or otherwise convince me that this is Town|you doing this and not scum|you? Because this weakens the argument that says scum|you wouldn't play this set in a directionless fashion.

Subject: Micro 891 - Death List (Game Over)

Hey pops, I don't think MariaR is scum or has a <rand chance of being scum as of now.

VOTE: Layer

Would like to vote pair after.

Why are you townreading me?

I've expressed interest in like 6 different lynches today

And mostly I want to lynch the nullscum lurkers which isn't exactly a beacon of innocence
I doubt it can be the same reason Azure has, want to hear it in your own words.

You don't seem like you're pushing an agenda.

Subject: Micro 891 - Death List (Game Over)

I may or may not be familiar with your scum patterns.

[Isis]

So, short answer, no!

[Isis]

the eternal moral dilemma about eliminating a replacing slot that is scummier than rand versus waiting to see if the replacement brings it to townier than rand, potentially benefitting from view diversity that theoretically shouldn't be available in a forum mafia game with full integrity

[Isis]

Farren seems to have this same inherent backslidey feeling about my alignment that I feel about tea leaves

[Isis]

i wish this game had a mechanic where i could win or lose solely based on the accuracy of my townread on Farren

Dannflor could you please add one

[Isis]

my reads are relatively flat, so it makes sense that I wouldn't be particularly townreadable

this game has repeatedly presented to me the paradox/conundrum/catch-22 that if you solve who the scum are and show that to people, that process will generally show people you are town. but, if you can't figure out a solve for the game, you don't have any changed probability %s on other people's flips as something to work towards, so knowing your own rolecard is green and doing stuff that demonstrates that is the best thing to do instead. But, the "stuff that demonstrates that", is figuring out a solve for the game!!!!! there's a couple here and there other ways but not as many

I feel like this paradox needs a page and a wiki page but doesn't have one.

i feel it stronger than most other players would, I think, because my town stat sheet is pretty heavily skewed towards campaigning and canvassing. Convincing other players to vote the way I want them to is something I'm disproportionately good at/focused on/DunningKruger'ed onto (choose 2/3 that you like) and I put comparatively low effort into determining those reads are correct in the first instance. Generally it doesn't take much effort, to get a notion I believe in, and I don't work as hard as other tryhard players to make sure what I believe in is correct.
so the main thing I have a tendency to want to focus on is kind of nullified by having organic suspicions towards several slots, but those suspicions being countered by counterarguments from those players themselves or white knights (queue, spelled "queue", Farren complaining that that term has negative connotations even though I only want the denotation and not the connotation here). Repeatedly I've struggled with the idea of deciding that I've never scumread Hectic as scum and carried my way through to effectuating his elimination without him talking me out of it which makes me just want to pretend I didn't read any of his defenses. But that can be intellectually disingenuous and overreactive and bad. Feeding into the temptation is the knowledge that I am able to scumread Hectic correctly in the first instance, apparently, I found out during this game in the Nightmare Scum PT that he was a secret alt I grew suspicious enough of to investigate, which changed my record.

another element of being a highly persuasion-polarized player is I run into the strange effect that my ability to canvas for eliminations can often outstrap my ability to make them accurate, which means that postgame review of my losses me queda con which means "leaves me with" but it's gotten so weird to use half of Hectic's alt name, me queda con a bunch of games where I would have been more likely to win if I had done nothing at all. It's like, always going to look like that if I get a high proportion of my desired eliminations. So where other players might slightly want to get lethargic or "allow inertia to take over" as you say I have an increased propensity to do so?

so when you say, "town!you" wouldn't let inertia take over here, I think, I very strongly agree with the sentiment when "you" is generic and could be freely exchanged with any other player put into this position. Based on like the gamestate, how my instincts' alignment with town consensus is not super lined up. but when it's specifically me I'm not surprised or particularly disappointed in myself when I consider some characteristics of how I play. And if i consider them carefully enough I think there might be a blind spot in my scumrange where I wouldn't exactly be able to play a game like I've played this one because it would be too difficult to not start to settle on something by now. I'm not sure I should count it as a strike against myself or a gap if it's something where town's just are blithely rewarding my scumgame for wincon aligned behavior, actually, so maybe gap in scumrange is a bad term, just like no one has yet to punish me for muffling but not snuffing my memeposting when I roll scum. It's pretty convenient to only rarely project doubt or deference as scum, you get to kill all the people you want to get killed. I remember when after a game ended that Firebringer was barely paying attention to he complained that I didn't do anything, and it was only when that prompted me to look back at what I had done that I realized that I'd been primarily responsible for every single mis-elimination since I repped in. And I just finished Nightmare where I pretended to be tunneled on a consensus nulltown and vigged him. So I'm talking myself into it's free money not a range blind spot. But not doing anything is a pretty singularly town behavior, I think.

there's another dimension to it too, I think. I think the persuading part always goes faster when I'm right. And part of how I try to correct the whole, looking back at games where I talked people into what I wanted is, trying to decide to stop canvassing for a wagon if it's not easy. Generally I'm capable of getting the last few votes on something I want, but if it's hard, that can be an indicator my logic is less fundamentally compelling than usual and it's more parts charisma than usual and it's not as good. This is actually still kind of decent for winrate in games with some strong PoE where reducing my own eliminations is a positive side effect but this gamestate doesn't feel like that, this is one where an inability to control the town certainly makes me doubt whether I should. Which might seem like a weird belated realization with Ydrasse already flipped red but she's town in my heart or something idk.

blindsheeping Dunnstral is pretty underrated, i'm probably up to a dozen games played with him and my unverified recollection of his accuracy is pretty good. You wanting to do what I wanted to do shares an identity with like trusting myself on what I want to do. I feel very sure you're town, but like, is tea leaves scum, or did I just talk you into it, and if I did, why couldn't I make it so crisp and rich that you're confident in it and maybe even townread me?!?!

this post feels long and I'm not exactly sure what sparked it or which point I wanted to condense on exactly.
pedit: lol

[Isis]

my reads are relatively flat, so it makes sense that I wouldn't be particularly townreadable

this game has repeatedly presented to me the paradox/conundrum/catch-22 that if you solve who the scum are and show that to people, that process will generally show people you are town. but, if you can't figure out a solve for the game, you don't have any changed probability %s on other people's flips as something to work towards, so knowing your own rolecard is green and doing stuff that demonstrates that is the best thing to do instead. But, the "stuff that demonstrates that", is figuring out a solve for the game!!!!! there's a couple here and there other ways but not as many

Solving for the scum is a necessary part of being Town - or being able to recognize a correct solve, if someone else is able to do it. The fact that it helps establish one is Town is icing on the cake. "knowing your own rolecard is green and doing stuff that demonstrates that" sounds like describing LAMIST, minus the connotation of "this is scummy."

yes, sometimes as town I do stuff that can show I'm town. Some of it isn't always solving.
most of the time just doing whatever you are doing and that somehow showing you are town is most of it though

[Isis]

Am I a bad person if I don’t read all of that

[Isis]

i feel it stronger than most other players would, I think, because my town stat sheet is pretty heavily skewed towards campaigning and canvassing. Convincing other players to vote the way I want them to is something I'm disproportionately good at/focused on/DunningKruger'ed onto (choose 2/3 that you like) and I put comparatively low effort into determining those reads are correct in the first instance. Generally it doesn't take much effort, to get a notion I believe in, and I don't work as hard as other tryhard players to make sure what I believe in is correct.

I'm having a tough time parsing this. Let's try a paraphrase and see where it gets me. Keeping the filter on high.

You're good at talking other people into getting the eliminations you want. You focus more on that than you do on trying to figure out if you're eliminating scum or not - as Town.

That's the first part. It's definitely not my playstyle, but this game does not consist of an army of clones of me. You've mentioned earlier that you've been finding it difficult to do that. That may contribute to the drift. (You may have said that as well; I don't recall). That may also contribute to a reason why you're not fighting the inertia.

Any of that wrong?

That sounds like good paraphrasing.

I think it's a defensible preference, if there is a player I think it 4-7% more likely to be scum, another that is 5-10% more likely to be scum, and a third that I think is 8-9% more likely to be scum, it's possible by my talent for narrowing the ranges and putting those into correct sorts isn't as valuable as the win% gains from stomping around and making sure I get the town to vote with me on the 8-9% person every single time

[Isis]

yay we made it


but anyway

the idea that an intellectually disingenuous strategy in mafia might be a gross but winning strategy isn't uncommon.
That's what BoP is, you know

[Isis]

i mean we don't know whether maybe i just like getting my way because I'm petulant

[Isis]

Why use the term with the connotation, if you don't want the connotation to apply?

because I want Morning Tweet to feel as mana efficient as this turn 2 play

[Isis]

i'm so good at campaigning it's unusual that concepts like "perseverance" start kicking in in ways similar to how they are happening here. And remembering, it seems like those tend to be the games where I got the eliminations I preferred anyways, but then lost anyways. So there is some paranoia.

Do you think, in the alternative, that I give up and start going with the slow when I reach a certain point as scum? you seem to have left that side of the coin open ended.
My scumgame is also very silvertonguey, I think. I'm not sure why I would lay back as scum either. I think it's pretty unusual and a confluence of circumstances that I would lay back as a persuasive player in general, yeah, but because I am a persuasive player it means there are certain moments like this one where I start to feel murderguiltparanoia of sorts about actually getting what I want if something actually drags out.

[Isis]

Morning Tweet do you remember how much I screamed about not wanting my neighborhood stumped vs. how much time I actually spent sorting Auro/tweet/drew neighborhood in triad X_X

[Isis]

BELL DON'T MISS STORYTIME

[Isis]

Update: GL > isis > tea

What is that ordering

is it tic tac toe skill level?

GL shouldn't get credit for adhering to the rules.

[Isis]

Hectic is your WIM higher as town or scum

your wim for this game seems too high
it's just a dannflor micro
idk i've enjoyed it but i haven't felt like it's engendered WIM? this game has only seemed interesting when i've been nightphased/dead other games and i want to project that other people should be as apathetic as I am if they share my alignment. Farren gets lots of pass cause i'm pretty sure he's only aive in this game. Morning Tweet is obvtowning by caring about her education and livelihood more than this game, which is really a bridge too far I try to put even my boringest mafia games ahead of my livelihood

[Isis]

That's some interesting theory though, Isis. I know Ank was huge on that, like the Blake Belladonna account was solely focused on acting 100% confident on scumreads and just getting people to sheep them. She was pretty successful.

Ank said Blake Belladonna was a failed experiment and retired the account. She said she came up with exception type reasons to play the account one or two more times.
I think the point of the Blake Belladonna confidence stuff was expressing her alignment a certain way and not using doubts as a gamepiece in playing the dayplay, not an actual tool for maximizing the frequency with which she got her preferred wagon.
I think emphasizing one's own certainty is not actually a key to persuasion, especially contrasted with how much it seems to be.

anyway
I definitely want to run interference if anyone says I view mafia similar to how Alyssa does.
I'm pretty sure we're from different planets

[Isis]

RC is one of the people who plays mafia that way the most. Don't think that makes him hypocritical for writing an article tho it's kind of like, i strategically foul 3 pt shots but I would love some consistency on how refs police intentional 3 pt foul shots, or whatever
it's a broad topic

uh maybe you're not looking forward to meeting LLD the way you think you are lol

[Isis]

Hectic is your WIM higher as town or scum

your wim for this game seems too high
it's just a dannflor micro
idk i've enjoyed it but i haven't felt like it's engendered WIM? this game has only seemed interesting when i've been nightphased/dead other games and i want to project that other people should be as apathetic as I am if they share my alignment. Farren gets lots of pass cause i'm pretty sure he's only aive in this game. Morning Tweet is obvtowning by caring about her education and livelihood more than this game, which is really a bridge too far I try to put even my boringest mafia games ahead of my livelihood

I am actively avoiding reading the first 4 books of the Odyssey as well doing an english paper atm in favour of reading Your Nightmare

Hectic and I agree that you should abandon reading Your Nightmare in order to play Mario Odyssey.

[Isis]

VOTE: guiltylion

pasa el rato conmigo amigo

[Isis]

That's some interesting theory though, Isis. I know Ank was huge on that, like the Blake Belladonna account was solely focused on acting 100% confident on scumreads and just getting people to sheep them. She was pretty successful.

Ank said Blake Belladonna was a failed experiment and retired the account. She said she came up with exception type reasons to play the account one or two more times.
I think the point of the Blake Belladonna confidence stuff was expressing her alignment a certain way and not using doubts as a gamepiece in playing the dayplay, not an actual tool for maximizing the frequency with which she got her preferred wagon.
I think emphasizing one's own certainty is not actually a key to persuasion, especially contrasted with how much it seems to be.

anyway
I definitely want to run interference if anyone says I view mafia similar to how Alyssa does.
I'm pretty sure we're from different planets

Oh, IC, I didn't know that.

I did find her varying playstyles across her alts really interesting.

Yshtola was really interesting, I miss yshtola

[Isis]

I'm kind of surprised Morning Tweet is taking english classes her english is really good, probably better than mine

[Isis]

So it seems like you managed to keep the entire game in your PoE (even some paranoia posts towards Dann who was your #1/#2 townread). You also buddied Isis really hard.

it is also probably fair to note that your order of players in your reads didnt change much, especially the upper half

I didn't buddy him back in the game thread, but my secret special strategy was to pocket him using the scum PT. It was extremely next-level

[Isis]

Yshtola was really interesting, I miss yshtola

Y'shtola was my favourite! Funny that Ank mentioned it was basically her troll alt, but the RP combined with the way she cryptically explained her reads was amazing.

should Lash try to play until she rolls town, or would that be an abomination no one deserves to endure

leaning the latter

[Isis]

I love the playerlist and dynamic for this game. My ideal game is one where I can just say whatever I want and not have to be wary of any toxicity/rage fights happening elsewhere. Also, I guess I just have a general distaste for "harsh" players. The ones that always push back really hard and aggressively when you suspect them, which is actually +wincon for them regardless of alignment, but just often leads to kind of unpleasant interactions and gamestates. RC made an article about it recenlty. This game lacks any of those, and I feel I can just voice my suspicions freely without being bitten or anything.

this post had a big delta on my read of this slot ftr.

[Isis]

Yshtola was really interesting, I miss yshtola

Y'shtola was my favourite! Funny that Ank mentioned it was basically her troll alt, but the RP combined with the way she cryptically explained her reads was amazing.

should Lash try to play until she rolls town, or would that be an abomination no one deserves to endure

leaning the latter

Do it. I'll even RP The Beast whenever I interact with her.

wow didn't expect you to nuke my desire to do it this hard

[Isis]

2497 is a little toxic

hopefully this game can be my first forcereplace

[Isis]

So it seems like you managed to keep the entire game in your PoE (even some paranoia posts towards Dann who was your #1/#2 townread). You also buddied Isis really hard.

it is also probably fair to note that your order of players in your reads didnt change much, especially the upper half

Really? I recall not expressing a scumread on anyone other than George for the entirety of D2. I just made some comments on the others but didn't really call anyone scum for any reasons. Paranoiey jokey posts are different imo.

The main contrast there though is the level of my thoughts and solving compared to here.

PoE, not townreads, eh whatever

I just felt like i saw beeboy, George, Nahdia all in your consideration and you even spent time being paranoid of like Dann generally consistently

he would have a suspiciously low number of locktowns if he wasn't locktowning scum, isn't that funny?
Hectic has bad reads.

[Isis]

delta means change

[Isis]

or mediocre airline

[Isis]

there was pregame scumchat

[Isis]

when i confirmed for the game I asked Dannflor if anyone was chatting in the scum PT and he said they get to talk until the day starts and i said ok i hope it starts soon

[Isis]

I wouldn't, I'm trying to see how many people can forget I didn't play the game from the start, for lols

I am repeating what Farren told us in saying there was pregame scumchat

[Isis]

I just scoured Isis's ISO to find a post I could be toxic towards but couldn't think of anything. I'm so bad at this.

Delta in a good way or a bad way?

Delta in a bad way

[Isis]

as an airline, the change was delta in a good way

[Isis]

you don't have a leg

[Isis]

my winrate for masochist mafia is 100% because the winning move is not to play

[Isis]

Did you rip it out
Are you murdering me rn

VOTE: Bell
Has legs instead of roots

EZ game

[Isis]

please don't get involved with that abomination

[Isis]

It doesn't look like we're getting a replacement for a few weeks yet btw, so get comfy and I sincerely hope the scummo is prepared to continue lying for quite some time yet. This is +EV for town...right? I should check the winrate for the masochist mafia games.

Can Ydrasse replace into the slot on a secret alt as long as it's a scum slot
I just want to play with Ydrasse I've played so bad here trying to get to throw me a bone dancefloor

[Isis]

town!Guilty is likely covered in oil, so it doesn't go to a narrow eLo, and that's one of the strengths of that choice

[Isis]

Morning Tweet developed that idea based on her research into Odyssey moon collecting strategies

[Isis]

i have an announcement

[Isis]

[Isis]

I have no idea why she has a hammer and I would love if you were able to help me figure it out.

The key makes sense, that's how you open the box.

Did she bring a hammer just in case the key wouldn't work!?!?

[Isis]

I didn't know Pandora's father was Hephaestus that's cool.

it doesn't seem like she is going to do any smelting work or anything though

it's like, her birthday came around and Hephaestus was like, "um what kind of gifts would she like I guess I'll make her a hammer cause mostly I smelt things"

[Isis]

I have two black cats I adopted two years ago and named Pandora and Loki after the gods that have characters based on them in PAD, even though they were both weak characters, and I didn't have either of them collected in the game.
It took like a year each to collect each of them.
Loki is still mostly useless but I used him as an inherit once for 1 dungeon 1 time.
This new evolution form for Pandora has a lot of abilities and might be legitimately good. So I get to play using a character named the same as my Pandora.

[Isis]

i'm going to try to see if i can use her to beat the gawain dungeon rn

[Isis]

in the animation it looks like she swings the hammer and some purple lightning comes out

[Isis]

Pandora has defeated Gawain

[Isis]

All you did was hardclaim "has legs"

[Isis]

perspective tricks

[Isis]

is this E-9999 fatalism

[Isis]

hi bat

[Isis]

hi Isis

finally finished my classwork

all of it so like now you're graduated!?!?!

[Isis]

2557 is funny

[Isis]

i want to take a moment to say i like Dunnstral's new av and will be sad when it inevitably changes

[Isis]

I thought I'm voting Guilty Lion
am I voting you?

[Isis]

VOTE: Dannflor

[Isis]

I'm currently at Hobbes or Bell as last scummo ftr.

If I said I want to BoP you and you only get one, which would you pick?

[Isis]

It used to be the canon art for school kid Isis, it's fanart now, she does happen to face a different way. I should reverse it.

Hectic made it for me

[Isis]

Hobbes is a pretty good flip because of the arson wifom

[Isis]

Dunnstral which one do you like better?

[Isis]

2583 is such a wolfpost bell are you trying to openwolf mindgame me?

[Isis]

yeah i got so used to it being the other way this direction is trippy

[Isis]

I wish I had any chance of being excused from f3

[Isis]

final 3 players

[Isis]

because it will be hard to decide who to vote for

not because I'm worried about being a mischop. I probably should be worried but that's more out of my control and not as stressy

[Isis]

I'm not that confident GuiltyLion is scum

[Isis]

i'm still thinking like the scum will ignite tonight

[Isis]

I finally skimmed a little of SIN and Bell's interactions with his partner seems like a carbon copy to here. Saying his target was very scummy, yet also going out of the way to mention the possibility of a townslip, and never directly interacting with the player in question.

If Ydrasse told clidd pregame that she doesn't mind bussing that'd be viewable and I could see Bell inheriting the guidance after it clashed with clidd's style and he declined it.

[Isis]

*townflip, not townslip

[Isis]

I didn't read to the end

[Isis]

I think tea leaves rolled scum this game

[Isis]

2616 seems kind of inductive
I don't like that he's more confident about this than I am
confidently stating an element of his personality is really unsettling from Bell. I feel like there are sturdy ways to scumread his play for its independent aspects but like ignoring him saying "I don't cruelly bus partners if I don't have private communication" it can be correct to power through but how can it ever feel good to power through?
This game is rough

[Isis]

I disagree that Ydrasse would be unlikely to put a comment about bussing in the scum PT. It wouldn't matter whether Pine responded.

I might have to flip my avatar back I'm not sure I can stand it.

[Isis]

Ydrasse didn't roll scum this game?

[Isis]

Pine is a boy

[Isis]

I hadn't realized until you caused me to look at it again just now that it's a female rabbit