Open 791 | Forest Fire | Game Over

[Ydrasse]

hi everyone!! i know a lot of you but i also don't know a lot of you. c:

you know, i was thinking that like, stories about cops falling in love with convicts are super weird and overrated. but a firefighter and an arsonist? new, experimental, romantic.

VOTE: clidd

[Ydrasse]

what makes that saucy wench so appealing?

[Ydrasse]

i did change my avi a bit ago!

and i simply do not think she is ATTRACTIVE tyvm!!! that tree has a winter complexion and is trying to pull off autumn!

[Ydrasse]

...do you not like the new avi?

[Ydrasse]

no no, i understand you’re just trying to spare my feelings with scum-accusations.

[Ydrasse]

when i am off mobile and can quote what i’m replying to ill be unstoppable btw.

[Ydrasse]

Second observation (just a feeling) is that I don't think Ydrasse would vote me this early.

Well... she did

i think the implication he was making was that scum!me wouldn't vote him? just missing a word in there.

[Ydrasse]

Hello fellow trees.

*squints*

[Ydrasse]

Second observation (just a feeling) is that I don't think Ydrasse would vote me this early.

Well... she did

i think the implication he was making was that scum!me wouldn't vote him? just missing a word in there.

Yes, but It's kind of wifom too. Scum!you could know that I wouldn't expect a vote from and read as towny.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

honestly after one game together i was just picking you because your name was familiar and i was excited to play together again LOL. you think too highly of my Logical Processing.

[Ydrasse]

morning tweet don't let anyone ever tell you to stop using cute faces.

[Ydrasse]

uh... i don't know if i follow along with why it's a good idea to even potentially vote out townreads?

can someone explain this for me pls.

[Ydrasse]

no i just don't get why people would view it like that?

like, treestumps can be burned down, right? you get the perspective of a confirmed player if they're a treestump but rob them of a vote. and even then they can be removed eventually, anyways.

p-edit: huh. in my mind i was thinking of it more as a failsafe sort of thing rather than trying to... make use of it like that?

[Ydrasse]

imagine knowing what you're doing in mafia in 2020 and not just going stream of consciousness at all times no filter on.

[Ydrasse]

hello everyone i am around for the time being!

[Ydrasse]

not great, honestly. i get wanting to have an engaging game + people who are active to talk and to judge on their content but i don't think that a lack of content is inherently bad? sometimes you just don't have a lot to say or got stuff going on to where you can't post too much.

i think that the Circumstances of the Game as it progresses makes it more clear as to /why/ people are lurky, and if they fall into those first two categories or just that... they're scum trying to slide by.

[Ydrasse]

yay pagetop.

do you think your line of questioning is gonna help you sort clidd in the longrun? i don't see it giving much in the way of alignment. :>

[Ydrasse]

like... i honestly don't think that sorting clidd based on it wanting to be "relaxed" in comparison to his previous games gives us much, even if he's announcing it? fmpov that's a really weak cover for someone and even if it is the case it seems the sort of thing that can be parsed through later down the line through his content and activity then?

p-edit: mmmm. it depends on the view that people have on me; i think there are some games where it's easy to not have stances if the town as a whole is apathetic, and some where it would be super strange to not have opinions? i think thus far though in my experiences as scum i prefer to have content for people to read as to give an illusion of being helpful.

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people who are active to talk and to judge on their content but i don't think that a lack of content is inherently bad?

okay, but if people don't produce content how are you ever meant to read them better than at random?

i mean, i don't think that lurkers just don't post content

ever

. they have to to remain in the game, right?

you have to read them from what's there; i'm just against it being strictly on activity level alone when there's like 100000 factors that could explain quietness.

[Ydrasse]

i've come out of the last page or two townreading clidd + menalque. mt to a lesser degree but still in my townreads. i think that the back and forth between the former was maneuvered in a way that settled some of the weird feelings i had towards the line of question from mena, of which mt voiced. also this is because i am tired and only really looking over the last few pages now. :>

i liked gamma's opening (it made me feel special... and also it was super bold) and i don't remember anything about farren right now or much of the others right now but that is an issue for after i sleep.

while it's hypocritical to say that like... activity =/= alignment it does feel like the towniest people right now are the people posting the most right now?

[Ydrasse]

and now i sleep, good night my cute little forest!!

[Ydrasse]

oh goodness a lot has happened here since i last visited. uh.

hi isis and welcome!

[Ydrasse]

i think that morning tweet is town!

[Ydrasse]

the reason for that townread in particular is that i think her open-mindedness this game thus far feels townier than not? like, i don't think she's hedging when she says she doesn't know something and isn't looking for someone to supply her the answers so much as wanting to collaborate with everyone if that makes sense?

[Ydrasse]

oh! in that case i think i will hold my question for now. :>

[Ydrasse]

sorry i haven't posted much here in the past day or so!!!! been busy, will be rereading later tn if anyone is around! c:

[Ydrasse]

Spoiler:

when we're both here we're going to crack this game OPEN.

but for now i fade into the wind until i may focus on this game properly.

[Ydrasse]

^this is a good question, I didn't mind tea's comments on it in the catchup but repeating it in 370 doesn't really feel like a meaningful or useful push

also @Dunn, the main thing that stood out to me re:Ydrasse was she came in and answered a question about MT, gave justification for it that suggests she's current with the game, but didn't share any thoughts on Clidd, the main wagon and the person she's voting.

i haven't moved my vote since i arrived in this game so that point is moot imo. i explained already why the cliddslot was my choice.

i also think that implying that i'm not trying to solve is unfair, because i am trying to sort people! i'm not being stingy with my reads but i simply didn't have the energy nor time to sit down and properly wrangle anything to do with this game; it was easy to answer the question directed at me because i already had a read on mt from conversation prior.

now though, i am actually going to give my thoughts and try to see if the tentative poe i was toying around with makes any sense. :>

[Ydrasse]

while it's hypocritical to say that like... activity =/= alignment it does feel like the towniest people right now are the people posting the most right now?

Why would this be hypocritical?

Activity doesn't equal alignment, true, but that doesn't mean there's zero correlation.

Demotivation and/or IRL busy-ness can cause a lack of posting. The latter is totally NAI. The former can be NAI - but isn't *always* NAI.

going through your iso, i realized i didn't reply to this i'm pretty sure. my bad!!

my comments about hypocrisy were more to do with the fact that i'm not fond of voting on activity levels, and yet around the same time in the game i found myself townreading the people who were posting more often (mt, mena/isis, clidd/tea). which means that my poe would end up being people who weren't so active?

[Ydrasse]

i like farren quite a bit. :> am adding him to my townpile.

[Ydrasse]

@Guilty, i'll add this on to my other question in 232, who were you referring to as the "more active posters" when you said one is very likely to be scum?

yeah I was just about to address this when I saw your latest post

I think you're seeing that comment as something meant to vaguely shade slots like Mena without doing so by name, but my intent was more to push clidd on what I saw as a really reachy assertion about scumreads. I can see how I maybe got slightly carried away making my point in the abstract with the 'foothold' comment rather than focusing on specific players here, probably because I don't have a solid grip on how I feel about the game myself. It doesn't feel like anyone has really pushed to do anything yet

piggybacking off of this to say that i agree wrt to the state of the game; it feels that only in the last few pages have people really started to try and push harder to form wagons and talk things out;

^ to the last post too: i feel that farren's energy throughout the game so far though has sort of strayed away from the... laziness??? not laziness but low-key energy fmpov and been more proactive without it becoming more of a driving force in a Bad Way. it's more probing to figure out how people are gonna reply and i am a fan of that.

[Ydrasse]

hello!

[Ydrasse]

i've been staring really hard at those pages trying to decide that.

[Ydrasse]

my townread on clidd was mainly based on the way that he maneuvered that discussion about meta with mena; i thought that the resolution it came to was Pleasant which boded well? it felt like a good discussion that didn't end up with anyone coming out of it like... looking bad.

my qualms with your case against him are sort of nitpicky i think.

p-edit: why is it scum indicative?

[Ydrasse]

okay, i think i understand!! it'd be a lie to say that i had any sort of read on dunn right now.

the same goes for pine so i'm excited to see what he thinks after the catch-up.

[Ydrasse]

i think this is probably a self-centered view regarding guiltylion because he voted me, but it feels as if he's hyperfocused on a few small things that are at odds with being as cognizant of the game state as he is?

[Ydrasse]

like, i guess it seems like a macro assessment of things (that i agreed with, no one pushing anything with vengeance) that zooms in onto me for reasons that don't hold much weight fmpov (the vote and me not trying to find the baddies) which seems... contradictory? in how to view the game as a whole.

[Ydrasse]

i talked myself into this actually

VOTE: guiltylion

[Ydrasse]

Spoiler:

i will return tomorrow a fire extinguisher

[Ydrasse]

yoink

[Ydrasse]

will not be around to Properly talk/etc but @tea, what about guilty feels off to you? i remember your slot's predecessor saying the exact same thing and i'm wondering if you can verbalize it a bit better?

[Ydrasse]

hi i have not been very active lately and i am sorry for that!

uh, to explain why i might feel/be acting different: it's more of a comfort thing than anything else? i feel at ease with the playerlist + the game as a whole right now so i'm more prone to like... be sort of chit-chatty and easygoing. it's probably not the best for like, finding scum but i'm also prioritizing my own enjoyment lmao. that and not having as much time as i would like to really go through this.

[Ydrasse]

hi i have not been very active lately and i am sorry for that!

uh, to explain why i might feel/be acting different: it's more of a comfort thing than anything else? i feel at ease with the playerlist + the game as a whole right now so i'm more prone to like... be sort of chit-chatty and easygoing. it's probably not the best for like, finding scum but i'm also prioritizing my own enjoyment lmao. that and not having as much time as i would like to really go through this.

I can definitely understand this.

Do you find yourself frequently *not* at ease with the player list and/or gamestate?

no, i don't feel not at ease in others but i have familiarity with people in this game more than i have others? the only time i feel like, uneasy is when i'm scum or when i have a ton of pressure on me/fear i might lead the town astray with what i do somehow. by virtue of this setup though these worries aren't really there tho!

[Ydrasse]

i think this is probably a self-centered view regarding guiltylion because he voted me, but it feels as if he's hyperfocused on a few small things that are at odds with being as cognizant of the game state as he is?

like, i guess it seems like a macro assessment of things (that i agreed with, no one pushing anything with vengeance) that zooms in onto me for reasons that don't hold much weight fmpov (the vote and me not trying to find the baddies) which seems... contradictory? in how to view the game as a whole.

how am I not being cognizant of the game state?

like from my view - I'm re-evaluating clidd slot and pressuring a slot that has been voting him the whole game yet not seemingly updating that read based on the content he's given. That leads me to decide to vote/pressure you. Why can you not imagine this coming from a town!GL perspective?

going back to this b4 i visit the Tea Points but i was saying you WERE cognizant of it, which was why the zoom in felt... jarring i guess? but like i said that is by virtue of it being on me i think. also again i think that the voting point is kinda pointless because... clidd was my rvs vote and not something i was actively pushing. i consider you to be my first i guess meaningful vote?

i can see it coming from a town perspective but admittedly i don't feel like... bad for voting you either/leaving it? i had other townreads which you weren't living up to personally. i am curious to see who else you have in your poe currently though because we seem to agree on the progression of things thus far.

also, what do you think of tea's points against you? (i'm about to respond to them but i wanna know your take.)

[Ydrasse]

@tea: i'm unsure if i'm biased or not in this tbh because i townread your slot's predecessor by virtue of the things that guiltylion is calling clidd/your slot out for. the main points about it that really stick with me are guiltylion coming in strong with the vote on clidd in 210 and the very last point in 221 where guilty hadn't asked why clidd had that poe.

the former point, though... do you think it makes sense for a town!gl to see that the game is kind of slow-moving and take it upon himself to try and start something or not? he does say he got carried away but i'm unsure if that's him backing down from something after people challenge it. s:

if not, i think that a scum!gl might see that quite a few people are being towny and exchanging trs with each other and want to try and disrupt/challenge that?

also as an addendum for my previous post @gl: i wanna clarify, was there any reason why you didn't ask clidd about his reads in more depth?

[Ydrasse]

will not be around to Properly talk/etc but @tea, what about guilty feels off to you? i remember your slot's predecessor saying the exact same thing and i'm wondering if you can verbalize it a bit better?

guys

why does Ydrasse ask this to someone about someone she claims to be scumreading/voting?

am I the only one seeing this?

...to see how they qualify "off?"

seeing it repeated a second time, especially by someone whose predecessor used the same term, made me question what exactly they were thinking about you?

[Ydrasse]

like the way you worded that reminds me of those bad "psas" that people post online where they're like "why is no one talking about this!?"

[Ydrasse]

like "tea, give your reasons on why Guilty may be scum"

"Guilty, what do you think of tea's reasons"

If this is somehow influencing Ydrasse's reads on either of us, I haven't seen it yet

because i'm not announcing every change in my reads.

but i do find it helpful to see what you guys mutually think of one another. :> i'm not framing you as against tea leaves so much as just trying to see what thoughts you have on each other's slots. i'm not acting like, with complete sureness in my scumreads right now so much as having a few townreads i'm working with and going from there.

[Ydrasse]

Those positions make sense for Dunnstral and Pine.

I do not understand your townread on Gamma Emerald. I liked 70 and 77. You initially mentioned your read of Gamma in 99; I can see a townread at that point. Has anything since then influenced it?

Farren asks a weird question over here because he's asking about this townread saying he doesn't understand it despite saying he liked and agreed with mentions of it precious.

GuiltyLion posts recently looked better to me so now I'll go for Dunnstral or Farren. To make things interesting I'll vote Farren.
VOTE: Farren

...why?

like, between the two of those why wouldn't you join a wagon on dunn? i don't understand what interesting means or what it's supposed to accomplish right now.

[Ydrasse]

Why do people keep asking me these difficult questions!
Ydrasse I think there's targets and pressure on Dunnstral already so I am adding some to my second target instead.
Gamma I liked his explanations and new thoughts.

i ask why because, fmpov, i don't understand why you'd want to split the pressure from dunn onto farren? like, i think there's a lot more power on a vote on a forming wagon versus a vote that's out on left field and accomplishing... not a whole lot, i guess?

[Ydrasse]

...oh.

tea? say it ain't so?

[Ydrasse]

*raises eyebrow*

[Ydrasse]

tea, can you tell me which posts made you start scumreading farren more than dunn? is it because of 550?

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: tea leaves

[Ydrasse]

do you know how in the sims when you say something and you see the little negative sign come up and you lose relationship points with the other sim? that was what that vote was for me.

[Ydrasse]

also didn't you just say that you scumread farren a little more than dunn?

p-edit: the whole point of playing mafia is looking too much into things!!!

[Ydrasse]

also you can so make up your own goals for the sims. like legacy challenges, making x amount of money... endless possibilities!

[Ydrasse]

well then i would simply stop having that quirk!

(jokes i promise)

[Ydrasse]

the council shall reconvene with their decision soon

[Ydrasse]

@isis

Spoiler:

[Ydrasse]

the council has not, but is writing down that information posthaste

[Ydrasse]

what in the world is going on

[Ydrasse]

it might indicate it a bit but i won't stop it either

don't let these bastards get u down

[Ydrasse]

does being drunk open your 3rd eye to revealing who the mafia is?

[Ydrasse]

i have to admit that i am, in fact, not mafia and i'm also not not_mafia

[Ydrasse]

are YOU mafia

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fake tree among us...

i can't vote you because you're already omgus with someone else and i don't want to be a homewrecker

[Ydrasse]

i need to see real action from you before i can believe these promises

[Ydrasse]

ok i'm going to stop spamming the thread now but also i think i am going to start including tic-tac-toe in my posts

[Ydrasse]

farren, why do you think it couldn't be both?

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[Ydrasse]

@farren: :> i was just reading over that and noticed that gl didn't actually reply to that as far as i can see?

i think that gamma being resistant of accepting the townread/actively pushing against gl is townier than gl offering the tr and rolling with it/affirming it.

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[Ydrasse]

i'm prone to thinking they're not partnered though unless it's like, some big-brained thing where gamma eventually gives in to the wily gl winning him over to make it seem natural i... guess?

happy b-day, dann!

p-edit: i just want dunn to post something at all tbh... same with pine.

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[Ydrasse]

alright, good to know. i hope that regardless they both appear at some point during this day and give us something...

also why are you cheating at our game.

[Ydrasse]

it is a hollow victory

when i arise anew come the morning we shall do battle on the board again.

[Ydrasse]

it isn't trying if i'm successful

ok good night

[Ydrasse]

i'll be around later tonight/tomorrow to talk more!

@bell: this might be weird to ask since it's about me but could you post some of the things that pinged you abt me?

[Ydrasse]

@farren: :> i was just reading over that and noticed that gl didn't actually reply to that as far as i can see?

i think that gamma being resistant of accepting the townread/actively pushing against gl is townier than gl offering the tr and rolling with it/affirming it.

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I did answer it in 104, Gamma acknowledged this in his next post

here's a question for both you and Farren regarding my Gamma TR - why would scum!me give a freebie townread on Gamma specifically? What do you think is my angle here? When I rolled scum in the first roll of this setup, I specifically named him in the mafia PT (dunno if Farren/MT saw those posts tho) as someone I thought we may be able to plausibly push/eliminate. He's not someone who is generally universally townread or a town leader, I've historically mistakenly scumread him in several prior games, and this game so far isn't really an exception to his normal style IMO.

however, he has done something I actually see as quite town-indicative this game - he claimed an early strong townread on a questionable slot while it was under scrutiny from a well-known aggressive/influential player in Menalque. I hardly see this come from scum - if town!Ydrasse, he's cutting off avenues to vote her later for no real gain in terms of towncred, and risks town spewing her on his flip. I also doubt he'd do it if they were partnered, the vast majority of scum players are too scared to defend their buddy from early game suspicion in that manner.

The only agenda I could

maybe

see as scum-serving is if he's partnered with exactly Menalque and they were using Ydrasse as a wedge topic to casually distance from each other without actually pushing each other directly, but that like actively requires me to don the tinfoil.

There's also the execution of the post/read, he didn't bother to give a real explanation nor did he try to double down on it when he received blowback, it strikes me as a fundamentally genuine thought with no agenda or scum motivation. That's solid grounds for a D1 townread, and I haven't seen him

do

anything to make me want to go back and re-evaluate, as I said yesterday.

so winding back - if I'm scum and Gamma's town, why would I go through the effort of fake TRing him, especially since you don't see this as S-S? Would Gamma really be a necessary pocket for me here? If I were scum I don't think I'd even need to bring a read on him to the table at that point, it was literally the first read I gave and I could have likely dressed up a read on almost anybody else if I wanted to.

I can understand

not agreeing

with my read here, but I can't grok how you see scum!agenda in it, Gamma's not under threat of elimination and he'd be very low on the list of slots I feel I need to buddy or to play around if I were scum.

oh! i didn't... actually put that together when i was reading through your iso and was going by post number so i saw a big gap and thought you hadn't addressed it because you were asked after about it! :> regarding the scum pt thing... i think it's plausible that you're like, doing the opposite of what you posted you might in the event they did see it? but that's like, wifom territory and i also don't know how realistically smart that'd be.

i guess i'm just more inclined to think that scum offer out townreads more than anything and giving one early on makes sense? despite not having to play around or buddy... it's still good to have people who could be on your side, sort of thing? also i don't know what grok means here.

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Ydrasse could you go over why you still think I'm scum after everything I said? If I was scum I would just fake some nice sounding logic for why I voted Farren rather than try and be completely honest with what I was thinking back then which is what you and Isis don't like.
I'm thinking about if I should omgus you or not.

i mean, for the most part the way that you voted + the weird way you described it made me vote you; it seemed super out of place in comparison to what you were posting. i'm not convinced completely that you're scum but seeing that made me go !!!! in a bad way.

why do you feel like you have to announce it like that tho?

[Ydrasse]

i'll be around later tonight/tomorrow to talk more!

@bell: this might be weird to ask since it's about me but could you post some of the things that pinged you abt me?

I slept all day. I'm not sure if I'm happy that happened or worried.

1. This game has angry ghosts. If you push an elimination yourself without a shield the rest of the town is likely to get nagged by vengeful stumps into making you the next elimination.
2. Why would it be weird to be curious about my motivations of my read of you?

...it's a good thing ghosts and also stumps and in general dead things don't get votes then!!

but really, it was more that it felt silly to ask someone to like, post their case against me. like, "oh, please tell everyone more in-depth about why you scumread me!!" that's all!

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You can see a lot of examples of her talking about her internal reasoning prompted and unprompted. Sometimes she says she doesn't share her change in reads. But she consistently shares what she is internally thinking about whatever topic she's on. By saying 'I think' etc.

typing stuff like 'i think' and etc is just, in general, how i play (or have lately)? it's the most natural way i have to express myself and i can't, or rather don't, really care to change that honestly.

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bell, the things that you said i am doing are either a) not scummy or b) just untrue.

the 'self-narrating' thing is a byproduct of how i talk in games, saying i'm waiting and watching isn't true when i've been trying to push and sort people and talk to them, and pocketing isis is not scummy if it is done with cat pictures and tic-tac-toe. (sarcasm)

but if you mean the vote on tea leaves i think i laid out the reasons why i thought it was a good vote when i placed it and i can't think of anything else that would show me actually pocketing her. :<

[Ydrasse]

yes, you are right, my vote on tea leaves was for nothing more than fun.

[Ydrasse]

i actually mean it when i am putting a vote on someone and providing reasons and interacting with them. :>

p-edit: i do like campfires...

[Ydrasse]

i don't quite follow those last posts but my eyes also hurt from being awake.

[Ydrasse]

tomorrow i can!

[Ydrasse]

for you and you alone i shall make it my quest to be here at a more reasonable time...

[Ydrasse]

gnight!

[Ydrasse]

hello i am "here" as they say earlier than an awful hour.

[Ydrasse]

tea leaves, where do you think that farren looks fake? i know you mentioned an example of it at least once before but is it just the tonal thing still that makes you kinda of unsettled more than anything else?

p-edit: let me look over and see what grade you gave me

[Ydrasse]

Ydrasse could you go over why you still think I'm scum after everything I said? If I was scum I would just fake some nice sounding logic for why I voted Farren rather than try and be completely honest with what I was thinking back then which is what you and Isis don't like.
I'm thinking about if I should omgus you or not.

i mean, for the most part the way that you voted + the weird way you described it made me vote you; it seemed super out of place in comparison to what you were posting. i'm not convinced completely that you're scum but seeing that made me go !!!! in a bad way.

why do you feel like you have to announce it like that tho?

I wasn't really satisfied by this Ydrasse! Could you explain it a little more than just feelings? I'm trying to understand why you thought it was scummy even after my explanations.

fmpov, the way you positioned dunn and farren as your scumreads and then chose to vote the one who DIDN'T have a wagon on him at the time seemed to me as if it was an effort to divert/split pressure between people. i didn't understand why you would choose to place a vote that would not accomplish a lot versus the pressure of putting dunn on a heavier wagon while also poking/prodding at farren? it seemed like a move someone would make where they want to look like they're busy when they're not.

in general you do these little things like post "thinking about if i should omgus or not" which seem performative. i don't get the need to announce stuff like that specifically instead of just.. doing it?

so basically just a lot of stuff that looks busy but i don't think has a motivation to get stuff done.

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i actually think now i'd prefer dunn over tea leaves; my read on tea leaves in that situation kind of rests on the implication that dunn is scum along with tea and i can... feasibly believe that tea believes farren is scum even if i don't think that the examples provided are particularly damning. i also don't have a reason to really townread dunn in comparison to other people.

VOTE: dunn

[Ydrasse]

in general you do these little things like post "thinking about if i should omgus or not" which seem performative. i don't get the need to announce stuff like that specifically instead of just.. doing it?

Thematically, this sounds similar to what Bell thought you were doing - self-narrating. What's the difference?

from what i know of how bell sees me it's the difference between me saying that i think xyz and am presenting my opinion in a certain way to like... appear townie vs tea leaves suggesting something as a potential action rather than going through with it.

i also think that it's flavored by the position wherein tea is suggesting/saying it to

me

so it feels as if they are like, waiting for me to say something that they could potentially twist as "oh wrong answer, i can in fact omgus you now."

[Ydrasse]

er. is that a uh. little slip up?

[Ydrasse]

your secret is safe with me.

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also, fwiw regarding morning tweet i remember having a scumread before on her in a previous game because of the way that she approaches things and sort of flits about, offers the townreads that she does, etc; it seemed strange and threw me down a rabbit hole. i don't think that she's acting any different than in the game we played together though and she was town in that one, so.

[Ydrasse]

yes!

what is your avatar from?

[Ydrasse]

isis + farren + mt are my townblocc right now, you're slightly below them but not in the realm of "i am worried" right now

bell is floating more below that, i think the reasons for pushing on me aren't good but i don't scumread it either

poe boils down to dunn/tea/lion rn

p-edit: yes, where is it from?

[Ydrasse]

yes i would like to know everyone's avatar!

also poe i guess :>

[Ydrasse]

i tried puzzles and dragons a few years ago but stopped for... a reason i can't remember.

i will refrain for sharing mine to keep up the fantasy of being a mage.

(though the character IS a mage...)

[Ydrasse]

isis + farren + mt are my townblocc right now, you're slightly below them but not in the realm of "i am worried" right now

bell is floating more below that, i think the reasons for pushing on me aren't good but i don't scumread it either

poe boils down to dunn/tea/lion rn

p-edit: yes, where is it from?

Why am I above Bell in your ranking?

i find that the way you've been trying to push and prod at people in a way that doesn't feel as if it's scum trying to find people to vote on out so much as a townie trying to sort and figure things out. your posts have an open mind throughout all of them and you state it pretty straight-forward too which helps. there hasn't been a moment where i've really questioned why you're reaching the conclusions that you are or thought that your posts were trying to imitate towniness so much as just... being towny.

[Ydrasse]

poe boils down to dunn/tea/lion rn

how do you square this with me voting Dunn instead of you or tea leaves?

only 2/3 of you can be scum in that pool.

[Ydrasse]

guiltylion, how do you feel about me voting with you? you asked me but i’m kind of surprised that you’re still letting your vote stay on dunn when i joined in on the wagon.

do you think the scum team is exactly me/dunn?

[Ydrasse]

i don't have a lot of time rn, not cc-ing, vote me if you want to but i will be yelling at everyone for it d2 when i can

[Ydrasse]

hello i am now here

[Ydrasse]

this is on the presumption that dunn is uncc'd + if it is and i'm asleep everyone can strongarm an elim on him through regardless

VOTE: guiltylion

town dunn makes me feel better about tea + that vote a while back. my working brain completely brushed over the fact gl had said that thing about me + dunn. i don't like how he was ready to switch to me at any point were the signs there and then didn't really do much about it when i joined a wagon that he was also on. even if he thinks that we don't make sense together i'd think that someone would be a little more worried about their Strongest (?) scumread hopping on with them.

p-edit: ya that's fine with me

[Ydrasse]

i don't have a sense of urgency this game by virtue of the setup meaning that even if i've been ~~lackluster today i can deal with it later so scumreads aren't phasing me.

[Ydrasse]

Spoiler:

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if three people decided to post like that i would simply yell at them for doing that as votes added up.

and yes i've been like this all day. i've just been kind of vibing.

[Ydrasse]

saying it like /that/ though makes it abundantly clear i'm not the FF and would have been bad earlier on.

[Ydrasse]

also no i am not a rapper, i must admit.

[Ydrasse]

ahhh. ongoing or else i would.

[Ydrasse]

that one scum game is the only complete one i have on site.

[Ydrasse]

i got nothing on it tbh because he hasn't explained at all his thought processes as to why.

i do think that his claim is real though.

[Ydrasse]

if i was ff in that position and i wasn't paying attention to this game (which i have to assume dunn isn't), i'd probably just default to the largest wagon that wasn't me. also given that the wagon was on someone voting him it makes sense.

[Ydrasse]

oh... my bad.

[Ydrasse]

i already posted where gamma rested in my reads but he was the lightest of my trs

[Ydrasse]

meh, it's more like my read on tea rested a lot on that vote which implicitly defended dunn, but given that he's most likely FF i can more feasibly believe that tea's vote really was to just create pressure in multiple places.

[Ydrasse]

@mt: in that game it felt like the best thing i could do was try to solve the "best" i could while still being scum so yeah, i wanted to appear as towny as possible so that my interactions/logic didn't get chopped up lmao

[Ydrasse]

isis, why do you think the claim is fake?

[Ydrasse]

you told me to think about it but i did and i didn't get it

[Ydrasse]

ooooh. i see

i wasn't thinking about it like that at all

[Ydrasse]

yes..............

[Ydrasse]

but you just posted it now! could it be... this is our scum pt together?

[Ydrasse]

i think i want to play bingo next

[Ydrasse]

ydrasse ft ydrasse

[Ydrasse]

i am choosing to townread bell now

[Ydrasse]

will you take care of my stump, bell? make sure it's pretty? ghosts can't take care of their stumps.

[Ydrasse]

i just want a little shrine is that so much to ask... ):

[Ydrasse]

i will grow mushrooms over it out of spite

p-edit: i'm being silly right now LOL

[Ydrasse]

i felt it in my heart

also even though i think the push on me is on bad reasons i don't think that it's out of a bad place tbh

[Ydrasse]

gamma seems to be floundering for reads right now and i get it

[Ydrasse]

morning tweet i see you have spoken about my hardhitting ate but where is your mind at rn

[Ydrasse]

i find it an understandable stance so i see it as townier i think

or my brain is short circuiting

[Ydrasse]

in general i think that posting of unsureness/confusion/etc feels townier. it's a vulnerability that scum would be more self-conscious of admitting?

[Ydrasse]

townlock

[Ydrasse]

methinks the lack of bark means isis is a fake tree

ok good night

[Ydrasse]

i live yet

[Ydrasse]

honestly i don’t know if it’d be worth it for me as a person to like, become meaner. i have fun being nice and social in games and also doing mafia things at the same time.

[Ydrasse]

ugh

VOTE: tea leaves

[Ydrasse]

i think a better way to put it is tea isn’t as towny as others

[Ydrasse]

ugh is more of me not knowing if everyone else is seeing more into tea than i am and giving it a sure why not

[Ydrasse]

this is real

this is me

i'm exactly where i'm supposed to be now

[Ydrasse]

i do not have the time right now to towncase all of the people

i've posted why i like mt and farren + their energies are good, bell's are too even if i think they're a bit misguided, i don't think i'd be able to handle the emotional impact of isis being scum so i am ignoring it until i'm forced to face reality (and in general her vibe feels like mine this game)

i just haven't gotten it as much from tea as things went on

[Ydrasse]

it feels a lot like this game it is not so much "who is scummy" as much as "who is not as towny" for me barring a few exceptions

[Ydrasse]

i’m at work what is HAPPENING

[Ydrasse]

drunken bday celebrations means i shall be more active tomorrow my lovely town

[Ydrasse]

the best way to experience danganronpa is through battling the something awful paywall years ago

[Ydrasse]

the emotional struggles i went through trying to read it like 8 years ago still weigh upon me

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: guiltylion

ty for the well wishes today guys <3

[Ydrasse]

i am rather cozy and rather unsober without work tomorrow so it's honestly the best it could be !

[Ydrasse]

it's a lying serum

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VOTE: Ydrasse

literally no content on D1, no content today. there's only reason I'm being wagoned instead of her is because I don't mince words and I've been stepping on toes by actually trying to play the game

no content today yeah, i've made it clear i'm busy but are you really gonna say that i had no content on d1? that's bs dude, so is you saying that you don't remember me outting any reads when i made it clear where my head was at. just because it's not accompanied with an essay each time does't mean i'm not trying to play the game. :/

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: guiltylion

ty for the well wishes today guys <3

This L-1 vote is seriously bad, Guilty is right. Not convinced yet that they're not bussing each other though.

VOTE: Ares

why is it bad though? because i didn't announce it was e-1 or because i didn't give a reason why?

i think my d1 speaks for itself as to why my vote's on him.

[Ydrasse]

ty mt <3

[Ydrasse]

tea leaves was very much an okay i guess vote for me and i think i made that clear too.

the guiltylion wagon wasn't there yesterday despite it being what i preferred and now that it's sitting right in front of me, why wouldn't i join it?

[Ydrasse]

there may only be two garbageman votes at any given moment. you were not chosen

[Ydrasse]

scalding takes tonight in Forest Fire Mafia

[Ydrasse]

guilty feels incredibly fake + exaggerated to me; his outrage now (garbage votes) feels just as insincere to me as he did when he was like "guys... guys look at this!" yesterday.

both of the games that i've played with him he was town, and he wasn't like this in those. granted i am also very different than my previous games but with him it's a more... subtle thing? like, he's trying to emulate his town games fmpov rather than just being town.

[Ydrasse]

i meant that, like, my game is very different than what it has been previously + it's very apparent that it is, whereas his isn't; it still feels very fake esp being on the receiving end of it

[Ydrasse]

don’t steal my game while i’m at work fiend

[Ydrasse]

i invoke the pause clause allowing me to take an extended break before i play my next move

[Ydrasse]

hello today i feel like this

Spoiler:

[Ydrasse]

that was where i wanted to vote + realistically it wasn’t gonna get hammered

[Ydrasse]

*twiddles thumbs*

[Ydrasse]

do not

[Ydrasse]

...what is wim?

[Ydrasse]

ohhhh.

admittedly my attention has been divided d2 by a lot of different things so it’s understandable to be seen that way

i don’t have even the time right now to sit down + gamesolve since i’m about to work s:

[Ydrasse]

it’s very boring rn we have no business

[Ydrasse]

ok what would you like to order

[Ydrasse]

you can have one on the house

[Ydrasse]

i will be around later and will post some more thoughts but i def would prefer not to be flipped today

[Ydrasse]

advanced tic tac toe hours activate

[Ydrasse]

because he's pre-emptively trying to tie himself to you + waste time for d3/d4

i think that the most reasonable thing to assume is that when i'm flipped (town), gl becomes tomorrow's elim based on the general poe. it's better to try and obfuscate who his partner is at this point rather than fight his elim tomorrow; he still will, i'm sure, but he's making it a point now to try and claw at whatever he can to help his partner who's endgaming over him.

also the reason i said i don't wanna be flipped today is because i would rather take away the "safety cushion", so to speak, that the scum have currently in that: while they know gl will most likely go down tmrw, if they get me elimmed today they have a free night to prime someone knowing that there will be at least 1 partner alive to ignite the following night. basically it's a free kill for them so long as dunn doesn't manage to protect who they're targetting.

[Ydrasse]

that's also assuming that gl is scum and if not the game's lost anyways so it's moot

[Ydrasse]

2/2 scum in (tea, mt, isis, bell, farren) feels like something i could never solve but that's more of a personal take

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[Ydrasse]

gth i'd say tea/farren are probably gl's partners

[Ydrasse]

i get it why at this point but i don't have to be happy about it >:(

[Ydrasse]

sooo......

[Ydrasse]

i am in fact a tree

[Ydrasse]

town take my energy (and vote) into the future

[Ydrasse]

i shall remain where i am, rooted for all eternity...

[Ydrasse]

ya i'm pretty sure that's an irl bad-feel

i hope you feel better, bell!

[Ydrasse]

gg everyone!

the bussing wasn’t planned or anything it’s just what ended up happening.

[Ydrasse]

i wanted to be town too :c but i had fun still!!

[Ydrasse]

i think that... it wasn’t terrible honestly as scum but as the day went on things just sort of stilled and everyone realized they were town sitting there yelling at each other.

daychat would’ve been helpful i think for sure for us; i don’t have a clue as to how to make it better for scum. a single-use factional kill maybe? something like that...

[Ydrasse]

i really had fun though and liked this table and game even if i was intimidated!

[Ydrasse]

i am so sorry morning tweet.

[Ydrasse]

everything you knew about me was a lie...

[Ydrasse]

you’re never going to trust me again </3

[Ydrasse]

for you i shall be extra friendly next game then

[Ydrasse]

...i would ask for advice but i think it would be “do more solving” yeah?