Newbie 2031 - The Wild Hunt (End!)

[shellyc]

LAL (lynch all liars).

DAYVIG: the worst

[shellyc]

thats such a good pagetop

[the worst]

i'm gonna let the thread breathe a little. shelly is scum.

[shellyc]

then scumcase me. i dare you to do it

[shellyc]

what if the solve is arthur / worsty and worsty is currently deflecting towards bluebell / me

but thats too easy of a solve

[the worst]

i have scumcased you. and i don't have your partner worked out yet, because i have actual reads. :p

[shellyc]

either you keep confbiasing youself or you're scum.

i think it's the latter.

[shellyc]

Reads
{shelly}
{satisfaction, redados}
{mundivore, NK15, bluebell
{egix, arthur}
{worsty}

[the worst]

Hello. My name is Satisfaction and I am town-aligned. Good luck and have fun.

@Clark I just finished reading Space. Tough break. Is there anything you wish you would have done differently in that game?

VOTE: Bluebell For Feryland!

That sounds a bit robotic/awkward to me. This is Satisfaction's first game, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Does sound like it could be a noob scum, I'd be suspicious if it wasn't his first game.

good trying to produce content and get us out of RVS

VOTE: ArthurConyl It feels like you were fishing for support and then quickly backed down. Why post #35 and #37 at all if you are, as you said, 1) not suspicious and 2) giving me the benefit of the doubt?

Egix96, I'd like to hear what you think about what I am seeing as a backpedal by Arthur.

I think you are perhaps overreading things. What makes you think I was fishing for support? Even you agreed that would be very weak. I also explained that I was trying to generate discussion and clearly stated in my original post that it was probably NAI. If anything, it feels more like you're trying to start a wagon on me for arbitary reasons.

FoS Satisfaction

good making early read but this is like 99% TvT?

Hooold up there,

@Not Known 15.

You've probably just done the scummiest thing yet in this game. Please explain why I shouldn't transfer my vote to you. You put Satisfaction at E-1 and not even a reason? You're practically begging to be scumread.

that e-1 is probably TSTBS

Reread Part 2:

Noraa:

Ok, so at the start Noraa was kinda sitting on the fence. Not really saying much either way. Then he starts saying I'm scummy and later votes me in post #105. Really he only gives one reason-post:

Spoiler:

Hooold up there,

@Not Known 15.

You've probably just done the scummiest thing yet in this game. Please explain why I shouldn't transfer my vote to you. You put Satisfaction at E-1 and not even a reason? You're practically begging to be scumread.

I agree but u don't seem much less scummy tbh. At this point in time it just seems like ur trying really hard to start all the wagons so you can make sure ur partner and u r safe

I read my own ISO at this point to see if I was starting "all the wagons." Uh no. The only guy I focused on from the start was Satisfaction. Never started any other wagons. You can read my ISO if you want. So I feel like Noraa's one reason for voting me is quite weak.

I'm leaning scum on Noraa, but less scummy than Mundivore. Either that or he's not a very pro-town player.

yay someone is vibing with my noraaworst scumread

Part 4?

Redados:

Overall, I'm leaning town on Redados. His reads and analysis are reasonable, even if he has the inverse of my reads. Btw I hate meta
One thing I would like to ask you. In post #129 you said Mundivore was town. Would like to hear some reasons please.

Satisfaction:

Best for last? XD

Spoiler:

On the off chance that a wild hammer slips in and I don't get the chance to share, here are all of my notes as of right now:

Noraa (Neutral-town feels. Buddying me or teamwork?)
36: Defends me / dismisses suspicion. Reasonable, townish.
92: Presses Not Known when he votes for me with no comment. Townish, hunting.

Mundivore (low participation)
52: Says what I was thinking re: Arthur suspicion. Pings town, but could be mafia pulling a string.

Bluebell --- no substantive contribution by page 3 (but came in late)
84: she's rhyming, which is fun, but not contributing on page 4

Redados (town or smart scum)
44: "practically everything in RVS is NAI" -- agreed
50: presses Mundivore to weigh in on my intro (hunting or performative towniness)
63: direct, succinct answer to my weak probe. No attitude or defensiveness. Pings town.

ArthurConyl (no read, might be noob scum)
35: Weakly agrees with Egix's weak push on me.
40: Backs down quickly when challenged by Noraa. Testing waters or changing mind?
78: Tries to defend himself. Maybe flustered, maybe floundering to cover backpedal. Read meta.
93: Reacts to Not Known's silent E-1 vote on me. Says he is "begging to be scumread." Does not remove his own vote, leaves me at E-1. Pings scum.

Egix96 (SE) (lurking)
33: First non RVS comment of the game + vote. Page 2. Makes weak poke at me. Hunting?
81: Confirms that his initial vote was supposedly serious. Dismisses backpedaling theory in support of Arthur. Mildly pings scum. Read meta.

ClarkBar (SE) --- no substantive contribution by page 4 (working over the weekend)

Not Known 15 (SE) (mild town, need more)
54: Goes out of his way to weigh in on my intro issue without being pressed directly. Pings town.
90: Votes for me based on Artur's pushback. Only quotes, no comment. I think this is town applying pressure. Buuuut claims to not know the vote count. That seems cavalier but not necessarily scummy.

Actually I do like this post. I would read you town for it. But it feels like you're trying hard to say everything and nothing at the same time. The section about me, fair. I do have a big problem with you not acknowledging my post #73:

Spoiler:

VOTE: ArthurConyl It feels like you were fishing for support and then quickly backed down. Why post #35 and #37 at all if you are, as you said, 1) not suspicious and 2) giving me the benefit of the doubt?

Egix96, I'd like to hear what you think about what I am seeing as a backpedal by Arthur.

I think you are perhaps overreading things. What makes you think I was fishing for support? Even you agreed that would be very weak. I also explained that I was trying to generate discussion and clearly stated in my original post that it was probably NAI. If anything, it feels more like you're trying to start a wagon on me for arbitary reasons.

FoS Satisfaction

In both your posts, #91 and #98, you should have addressed it. In #91 you stated that I was lying. This is very much what I would expect scum to do. I would expect town to keep pushing and prodding, asking me why I do this and that. Instead you just stop and say "you're lying." If you had more solid reasons for scumreading me I wouldn't be scumreading you so much.

Satisfaction I still find to be moderately scummy. If you can back up your vote on me, I'll take my vote off you.

weird how arthur claims to move *off* satis after they make a case on them = perspective slip of town!satis scum!arthur or am I reading too much into things
now time to reread satis, I have a gut tr on them because of OP stating they're town

interesting
this doesn't read like you're looking at a possible tw scumbuddy

[shellyc]

i have reconsidered reads

"less scummy than mundivore" is distancing without a vote
read my comment on post 182

[shellyc]

I have a very Fun Theory.

worst, when did you rep in?

[the worst]

i don't know what form you want my question to answer and feel obligated to ask whether this question breaks rules

[shellyc]

@Arthur whats your read of ducky now?

It's interesting how many times Arthur calls noraa "slightly scummy" or "anti town" but never votes

pedit: nvm i found it. not related to my fun theory though

[the worst]

no problems.

[shellyc]

hmmmmmmm

arthur vibes *around* noraa a whole bunch and basically doesn't does much to solve their slot. the SL on them didnt get anywhere

lightbulb moment

[shellyc]

worsty is this silence indicative of strategising in your PT who to bus first

[the worst]

uh you're transparently posturing a scumteam a couple of hours after replacing in.
this is me being at work and figuring there's little value in discrediting you when people are going to see what you're doing.

[Egix96]

VOTE: shelly this is actually just shelly's scumgame again

I call omgus.

were my walls and walls of quotes and catch up not townie enough?

No, because you don't seem to be reading things in context, which is resulting in a lot of misconstruances.

[shellyc]

uh you're transparently posturing a scumteam a couple of hours after replacing in.
this is me being at work and figuring there's little value in discrediting you when people are going to see what you're doing.

lolreadslists Generate Content and Discussion and I like that.

of course nothing's set in stone, I like adjusting reads a lot

egix i am not trying to intentionally misrep anything

[the worst]

i am not trying to intentionally misrep anything

[shellyc]

Logical fallacy theory time
If every scumbag wrote X and I wrote X, does not mean I am necessarily a scumbag, as the possibility of non-scumbags writing X is still present.

[Egix96]

@Clark I just finished reading Space. Tough break. Is there anything you wish you would have done differently in that game?

i liked the way he started a dialogue here and like, actually followed through on it.
it didn't really go anywhere because sati and clarky are both polite bois but it felt like he was prodding for something.

Personally, I find this post is more AI to Arthur than it is Satisfaction. Maybe feels like fishing for an easy wagon. Very weak though. Measuring scummieness versus townieness on a scale from -100 to 100, I'd say I currently put Arthur at -2.

Mundivore, does it make you feel any particular way about Egix96? If so, more or less of an indication than from Arthur?

i liked this; i thought mundi's post was pretty good but egix is indeed kinda invisible atp

VOTE: ArthurConyl It feels like you were fishing for support and then quickly backed down. Why post #35 and #37 at all if you are, as you said, 1) not suspicious and 2) giving me the benefit of the doubt?

Egix96, I'd like to hear what you think about what I am seeing as a backpedal by Arthur.

i vibe w this; i know people like reacted to you earlier but i think sati elaborated on it in a way which needed to happen

P.S. Why do you want to hear from Egix?

I’m happy to answer that, but I’d like to hear from Egix first if you don’t mind.

Hmf. I mean I'm happy to wait for Egix to answer, but why do you need him to answer before you can answer? A wee bit odd.

I wanted to wait because I don't think Egix actually finds my intro to be scummy. I was waiting to see if he would say that himself. I thought he was scumhunting. After his response, I feel less confident in that assessment.

i think this comes from a critical mindset which is reading egix's posts and trying to glean something from them. at rand this mindset is town (solving alignments) before it's scum (trying to parse whether egix is pocketable).

he's ignored my reasoning

I didn't ignore it, I just think you might be lying.

@art i was also kinda indifferent on your reasoning, sorry.

Hooold up there,

@Not Known 15.

You've probably just done the scummiest thing yet in this game. Please explain why I shouldn't transfer my vote to you. You put Satisfaction at E-1 and not even a reason? You're practically begging to be scumread.

Interesting. So E-1 is significant, but not enough to unvote?

this was the one which made me go "oomph!"
to rephrase in ~worstisms~ what i /think/ he's saying, you accidentally applied a double standard to NK15:
- putting satisfaction to e-1 was bad because NK15 didn't explain it
- satisfaction actually being at e-1 is fine, otherwise you would have thought to shift your vote

so is your motivation to work out why NK15 put sati at e-1 (and ergo, what his alignment could be?) - or is your motivation to make NK15 look bad for putting sati at e-1 (and ergo, attempt to set him up for the elim?)

On the off chance that a wild hammer slips in and I don't get the chance to share, here are all of my notes as of right now:

this post is fine and not really ai but i enjoyed that he has several reads but i actually tend towards agreeing with them.

his read on noraa was good. i'd call my pred towny, but she's quite sociable. buddying anxiety feels fine. his reads on red & you are quite good, and his read on nk15 is imo very good. there's a kind of soft discomfort with his reads (e.g. his strongest townread afaict is "town or smart scum") which i think comes from newbtown paranoia before newbscum clumsily trying to keep miselim doors open.

VOTE: Bluebell How’s that next poem coming along?

given he still doesn't townread you but you're smack in the middle of the spotlight: this isn't a vote scum!sati needs to make if you're town. i think it's a vote made because he wants to sort blueb.

why would someone question a read that they agree with

This is the second time in the game you've had a stance that doesn't seem genuine to me. I can think of what.... at least 3 answers to this question right now. It's hard for me to believe that you cannot.

i like this.

Let's go.

i think he believes this read. when analysing sati's alignment, whether he's right or wrong is largely immaterial: you can get into his head better if you read it kinda like, uuuhh. here's an example of some stuff that sometimes jumps into my mind when i see people talk about their reads.

Spoiler: lovely diagram

using the "high conviction scumread" column for a moment i... don't think scum!sati needs to dunk on you while also voting for bluebell and i think the general tonality of the case feels more like he feels like he's "caught" you which i tend to associate with a sincere/uninformed aka. town-aligned mindset

Both of the 2 wagons have successfully produced content. She is the darkest blind spot.

@Bluebell who is scum. who is town.

pressing nullreads for more content is cool and good.

Sry for not commenting on this sooner, but here goes:

2: I presume you mean "at THAT point" when you say atp because I'm sure you realise that it wouldn't be unusual if you still couldn't "see" me now.

4: I'm willing to admit that you might have a good point here - scum would probably have just taken my opening more literally.

8 (and final): I'm not seeing how anyone couldn't have done this.

9: Why did you like it? I felt the opposite way.

[Egix96]

uh you're transparently posturing a scumteam a couple of hours after replacing in.
this is me being at work and figuring there's little value in discrediting you when people are going to see what you're doing.

lolreadslists Generate Content and Discussion and I like that.

of course nothing's set in stone, I like adjusting reads a lot

egix i am not trying to intentionally misrep anything

Did I say you were doing it on purpose?

[the worst]

2: I presume you mean "at THAT point" when you say atp because I'm sure you realise that it wouldn't be unusual if you still couldn't "see" me now.

yeah at that point, not at this point.

8 (and final): I'm not seeing how anyone couldn't have done this.

sure, that's fair. allow that it's attributable to either alignment - on the balance of things how do you feel about the rest of what I'm seeing?

9: Why did you like it? I felt the opposite way.

re. pressuring nullreads? be scumreads Arthur; Arthur is already in the spotlight. I don't feel like he has much of a read on blue, who isn't feeling the pressure of this game (her reads are developing slowly and with little nuance which means it's hard to read her alignment with clarity). with time I think sorting blue early is beneficial; I'm not sure scum doesn't just bank on her being a miselim later or just ignore her.

[Egix96]

8 (and final): I'm not seeing how anyone couldn't have done this.

sure, that's fair. allow that it's attributable to either alignment - on the balance of things how do you feel about the rest of what I'm seeing?

9: Why did you like it? I felt the opposite way.

re. pressuring nullreads? be scumreads Arthur; Arthur is already in the spotlight. I don't feel like he has much of a read on blue, who isn't feeling the pressure of this game (her reads are developing slowly and with little nuance which means it's hard to read her alignment with clarity). with time I think sorting blue early is beneficial; I'm not sure scum doesn't just bank on her being a miselim later or just ignore her.

Apologies if I miscounted paragraphs, but:

8 = 190
9 = 191
final = 202 / 224

Ofc I don't find your Satis towncase to be convincing enough to make me go "oh snap I guess my first impression was just wrong" but in the back of my mind I'm thinking, what are the chances that {town/scum}!TW defends {town/scum}!Satis? So for Satis to be scum, then that either means that a) he's fooled you good, or b) you're his buddy who's defending him, and... I don't particularly feel that you're scum.

"with time I think sorting blue early is beneficial; I'm not sure scum doesn't just bank on her being a miselim later or just ignore her."

I mean, I... kinda? get? what? you? mean? You've pretty much hit the nail on the head with "[Bluebell's] reads are developing slowly and with little nuance which means it's hard to read her alignment with clarity" though.