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[Datisi]

yoink?

[Menalque]

Okay maybe datisi is scum i don’t think she’d steal my pagetops if she were town

[Datisi]

Can I not call u cute in game

pocket attempt denied

[iamausername]

neither of these quotes feel like TGP is talking his reads as about actual opinions that he has

...i don't know how the word 'about' managed to move a whole three places to the right in this sentence. "talking about his reads as", that should say.

you were re-reading the post later then eh? why?

idk, the typo in the first post jumped out at me when i made the second one

i wasn't like obsessively scanning my own post for scumslips or something.

i do all that in the preview window before hitting submit.

[iamausername]

those three reads are entirely self-consistent.

rn i think noraa is just newbie town, but being confident in bm!scum within the first day

doesn't really scream town

; noraa will stay at a light townread.

also nora's reads on menal and me

scream newbtown

.

are you sure about that

[Battle Mage]

Datisi - Why wouldn't Shelly rolefish there? Seems perfectly reasonable to me - I did the same thing. Which leads me to my next question - why only single her out?

funny story, that's The One Thing that was bothering me about you in 455

and because it can lead to unnecessarily outing TPRs?

I think you've got it twisted fella. Falsely claiming a TPR can unnecessarily out a TPR. So look to Menalque, and Menalque alone, on that one. Ok, and slightly Ico for taking a while to deny it.

Once the claim had been made, it was completely sensible to try to resolve what the fk it meant. That's just trying to solve the game innit.

can i call in the meta argument of "i have seen town!mena do this and while i might have feelings about it i'm aware it's not AI for him"?

No, because your read on Mena isn't relevant. You're suggesting other players are scummy for risking outting a PR, when that isn't true.

[Menalque]

Can I not call u cute in game

pocket attempt denied

I will pocket u irl

[Battle Mage]

So look to Menalque, and Menalque alone, on that one

You mean the fakeclaim? Why would real masons/neighbours feel any need to CC me?

you're asking Datisi right? As that was his assertion.

I skimmed earlier while my friend went to the loo mid drinking session and while BM’s posts didn’t really do anything for me alignment-wise they did remind me of why I enjoyed reading his posts in the previous games of his that I’ve seen

aww shucks.

[Menalque]

you're asking Datisi right? As that was his assertion.

Bruh I honestly have no idea who that was to

You can answer, datisi can answer m, it’s all good

[Menalque]

I kinda wish I was high rn because then I’d be feeling even more lovey but this is a v chill p-list which is why I /in’d despite my new rule of only playing one game at a time

[Battle Mage]

I dislike this. I'm not super down on the gambit, but I think using it to shade Ico is not good. Basically feels like you running that play set him up to fail however he reacted. I think he probably took the least scummy approach by being honest about it, although really whatever he did, you could have framed it negatively.

Is this not somewhat undermined by the fact that in spite of me disliking icon ruining my gambit I still think he’s town more likely than not?

it would have been, if that's what had happened. Unfortunately, it's difficult to re-write history in the battlegrounds of FORUM MAFIA.

[Datisi]

Datisi - Why wouldn't Shelly rolefish there? Seems perfectly reasonable to me - I did the same thing. Which leads me to my next question - why only single her out?

funny story, that's The One Thing that was bothering me about you in 455

and because it can lead to unnecessarily outing TPRs?

I think you've got it twisted fella. Falsely claiming a TPR can unnecessarily out a TPR. So look to Menalque, and Menalque alone, on that one. Ok, and slightly Ico for taking a while to deny it.

Once the claim had been made, it was completely sensible to try to resolve what the fk it meant. That's just trying to solve the game innit.

can i call in the meta argument of "i have seen town!mena do this and while i might have feelings about it i'm aware it's not AI for him"?

No, because your read on Mena isn't relevant. You're suggesting other players are scummy for risking outting a PR, when that isn't true.

except you were the one trying to get mena into this? like "if you think risking outting PRs is scummy, look at mena"? i'm saying why i'm giving him a "pass" while not the others

if your argument as a whole is "risking outting PRs isn't scummy period" (which i guess it is) then i guess agree to disagree?

[Menalque]

I dislike this. I'm not super down on the gambit, but I think using it to shade Ico is not good. Basically feels like you running that play set him up to fail however he reacted. I think he probably took the least scummy approach by being honest about it, although really whatever he did, you could have framed it negatively.

Is this not somewhat undermined by the fact that in spite of me disliking icon ruining my gambit I still think he’s town more likely than not?

it would have been, if that's what had happened. Unfortunately, it's difficult to re-write history in the battlegrounds of FORUM MAFIA.

I literally don’t understand this post

Like that is what happened no? That I didn’t end up shading icon for it and TR him instead? Or TL’d or whatever

[Noraa]

mmmm so I'm not too sure what I'm thinking about this game atm however I have a few things I dont like so far

BM changes votes far too often. I think this is scummy bc scums will flip flop a shit ton since what's going thru their mind is gonna be something like : "hmm good limbait here. ooo better limbait here. oh maybe the first limbait was better etc etc"

Not too sure if that's correct but uh ... that's how I am when I'm scum so yeah.

Datisi I am 100% certain is very much capable of producing content yet I am not seeing much content. I think that may be a scumtell for him tho I have never played a game with him before so I couldn't say.

Golden dude gives me some scumvibes bc of him changing his vote and moving it off of me and onto BM. It reads really scummy considering he somehow just overlooked the fact that I'm noob as hell but then realized it reading it again? Idk something's fishy over there.

Mena is .... meh. I'm not sure what alignment mena is but I wouldn't be surprised with either aorn.

everyone else is even more meh. talk more and maybe I'll try to solve u some more

[Battle Mage]

my fun fact is that i think both Ico and Noraa are town, and they're both voting TheGoldenParadox for what i think are bad reasons, but i think they've managed to hit scum anyway

scumreading Iconeum because i don't really see their logic on voting me as being town-motivated - my vote will stay where it is for now, but that will change if ico gets noticably scummier.

you're looking really defensive to me right now, so while i'm staying with my light townlean, i'm not confident in it either.

neither of these quotes feel like TGP is talking his reads as about actual opinions that he has, they feel like they are conscious choices that he is making, and the way he is threatening to upgrade them to scumreads to try to get the people voting him to back off is scummy as hell.

also, the progression from

rn i think noraa is just newbie town, but being confident in bm!scum within the first day doesn't really scream town; noraa will stay at a light townread.

to

also nora's reads on menal and me scream newbtown.

to

do i think your scumreads on menal and me are legitimate instead of simply trying to generate empty content? no, not really.

in the space of like half an hour makes absolutely no sense

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

was he just catching up on the game? if so, kinda figures his reads would evolve quickly.

i was to some extent, but those three reads are entirely self-consistent. i think noraa is newbtown, i'm not confident about that read so it's more of a lean, but their actual reads are not reads that i believe are helpful or incredibly legitimate. town, especially newbtown, can generate empty content as well as opposed to actual reads, and town can create fluff. i know i did that when i was newbtown.

neither of these quotes feel like TGP is talking his reads as about actual opinions that he has

...i don't know how the word 'about' managed to move a whole three places to the right in this sentence. "talking about his reads as", that should say.

you were re-reading the post later then eh? why?

VOTE: iamausername

i really don't like this vote, but

i haven't played with BM and don't know if this is normal for them

- if someone has, that would be cool to know. for now, that vote feels really... random to me in a game that is by now definitely out of RVS,

especially for you, BM

.

I don't like some things about you.

1. I don't like how you over-egg things with emotive language like "really" all the time, to try and bolster your weak positions. In reality it just makes it look like you are tailspinning out of control.
2. I don't like how you have singled me (and only me?) out twice, with very little justification, for 2 unrelated, random and not particularly credible things. The second is worse, and feels a little like scum just trying to buy consistency points by targetting the same player, but being fundamentally too lazy to come up with anything robust.
3. I don't like that in red above, you initially acknowledged you hadn't played with me, and had no idea what my normal play is. Then in blue above, you pretend you do know how I play to strengthen your argument.

I'm amused that you didn't just lap up my defence of you, as it's consistent with my hypothesis - you are trying to keep targetting me to avoid attention - it wouldn't do to simply agree with me, even if you actually did, you had to spin in a way which made it sound like I was wrong (which in isolation, actually makes you look worse anyway).

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Golden Paradox

I got one, ma.

lit, glad you think so. to clarify - "especially for you, BM" was because you specifically were in a fight with nora and had produced quite a bit of content. and no,

i won't lap up your buddying attempts

. sorry bout it.

It's too colloquial in my book. Just empty shade, with nothing backing it up. As is the red above. I definitely haven't buddied with you (you'd know it if I did, eh Bob? ). You're just limply clutching at straws to try and appear like you are scumhunting.

Reading your previous games was not hugely conclusive about your alignment. You tend to get eliminated Day 1 all the freakin' time, so not much data to work with. You seem to be slightly higher on effort as scum, which goes in your favour here. However you are also decidedly more aggressive as town - and here you've been pretty gentle which is more like your scumgame.

[Battle Mage]

mmmm so I'm not too sure what I'm thinking about this game atm however I have a few things I dont like so far

BM changes votes far too often. I think this is scummy bc scums will flip flop a shit ton since what's going thru their mind is gonna be something like : "hmm good limbait here. ooo better limbait here. oh maybe the first limbait was better etc etc"

Not too sure if that's correct but uh ... that's how I am when I'm scum so yeah.

A wonderful insight into your own play. NAI for me I'm afraid. I am capable of moving my vote frequently as town and scum. In the battleground of FORUM MAFIA, my vote is my sword. I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve with the above though? Didn't you already make your mind up I was definitely scum? It's a bit late to pretend to sort me now.

Golden dude gives me some scumvibes bc of him changing his vote and moving it off of me and onto BM. It reads really scummy considering he somehow just overlooked the fact that I'm noob as hell but then realized it reading it again? Idk something's fishy over there.

hot take, you're right, Golden dude is scum.

[Battle Mage]

I dislike this. I'm not super down on the gambit, but I think using it to shade Ico is not good. Basically feels like you running that play set him up to fail however he reacted. I think he probably took the least scummy approach by being honest about it, although really whatever he did, you could have framed it negatively.

Is this not somewhat undermined by the fact that in spite of me disliking icon ruining my gambit I still think he’s town more likely than not?

it would have been, if that's what had happened. Unfortunately, it's difficult to re-write history in the battlegrounds of FORUM MAFIA.

I literally don’t understand this post

Like that is what happened no? That I didn’t end up shading icon for it and TR him instead? Or TL’d or whatever

post 563 was presumably in response to you shading Ico. Otherwise none of this conversation makes any sense. I don't think either of us necessarily care enough to look back.

[Battle Mage]

Datisi - Why wouldn't Shelly rolefish there? Seems perfectly reasonable to me - I did the same thing. Which leads me to my next question - why only single her out?

funny story, that's The One Thing that was bothering me about you in 455

and because it can lead to unnecessarily outing TPRs?

I think you've got it twisted fella. Falsely claiming a TPR can unnecessarily out a TPR. So look to Menalque, and Menalque alone, on that one. Ok, and slightly Ico for taking a while to deny it.

Once the claim had been made, it was completely sensible to try to resolve what the fk it meant. That's just trying to solve the game innit.

can i call in the meta argument of "i have seen town!mena do this and while i might have feelings about it i'm aware it's not AI for him"?

No, because your read on Mena isn't relevant. You're suggesting other players are scummy for risking outting a PR, when that isn't true.

except you were the one trying to get mena into this? like "if you think risking outting PRs is scummy, look at mena"? i'm saying why i'm giving him a "pass" while not the others

if your argument as a whole is "risking outting PRs isn't scummy period" (which i guess it is) then i guess agree to disagree?

Nah, I don't consider that "getting Mena into this". My point was that you shaded me and shellyc(?) for doing something we hadn't done, but which menalque had done. It isn't me trying to get him into anything - it's making the point that your argument was not valid or, on the face of it, consistent (notwithstanding your relationship with mena, which i acknowledge).

To be extra clear, I did not risk outting a PR by trying to get people to confirm their existing claims. Nor did Shelly. The only ones who did were Menalque and possibly slightly Ico. You suggesting otherwise, is scummy to me, because you're an experienced player and Mod and you know that ain't right.

Misrepping me is no bueno.

[Battle Mage]

i'm in favour of elimming in the pool of 'lurkers' today, to stop the game stagnating. anyone with fewer than 15 posts so far.

Which means: Dox, Taylor, Piis and Iama.

I think you know I like Dox for the blox.

[Noraa]

Didn't you already make your mind up I was definitely scum? It's a bit late to pretend to sort me now.

Golden dude gives me some scumvibes bc of him changing his vote and moving it off of me and onto BM. It reads really scummy considering he somehow just overlooked the fact that I'm noob as hell but then realized it reading it again? Idk something's fishy over there.

hot take, you're right, Golden dude is scum.

Wtf. I put more thought into my read on u in attempts to sort u better and u just try to brush it aside with this thats basically the equivalent of "yeah that was just her tunneling ignore it"

STOP DISCREDITING. LITERALLY STOP.

Saying "hot take, you're right, Golden dude is scum" is not in the least bit helpful. I couldn't care less whether or not scum!BM agrees with me.

[Noraa]

I've barely rolled town as shown by my only finished games being scum games but that doesn't mean that my reads are bad. Whether or not they *sound* good is one thing. Whether or not they are accurate is another. I couldn't care less that ur more experienced here than me. I'm putting my reads out there and you shouldn't be discrediting them.

[Alonzo]

i'm in favour of elimming in the pool of 'lurkers' today, to stop the game stagnating. anyone with fewer than 15 posts so far.

Which means: Dox, Taylor, Piis and Iama.

I think you know I like Dox for the blox.

Approved.

[Alonzo]

I've barely rolled town as shown by my only finished games being scum games but that doesn't mean that my reads are bad. Whether or not they *sound* good is one thing. Whether or not they are accurate is another. I couldn't care less that ur more experienced here than me. I'm putting my reads out there and you shouldn't be discrediting them.

Be more critical

[Battle Mage]

Didn't you already make your mind up I was definitely scum? It's a bit late to pretend to sort me now.

Golden dude gives me some scumvibes bc of him changing his vote and moving it off of me and onto BM. It reads really scummy considering he somehow just overlooked the fact that I'm noob as hell but then realized it reading it again? Idk something's fishy over there.

hot take, you're right, Golden dude is scum.

Wtf. I put more thought into my read on u in attempts to sort u better and u just try to brush it aside with this thats basically the equivalent of "yeah that was just her tunneling ignore it"

Saying "hot take, you're right, Golden dude is scum" is not in the least bit helpful. I couldn't care less whether or not scum!BM agrees with me.

LOL. You're attacking me for pointing out you have already made your mind up I am scum and are not trying to sort my slot. Then in the same post, you say you don't care I agreed with you about something because I'm scum.

I guess it's you and Golden - who else?

[Noraa]

I've barely rolled town as shown by my only finished games being scum games but that doesn't mean that my reads are bad. Whether or not they *sound* good is one thing. Whether or not they are accurate is another. I couldn't care less that ur more experienced here than me. I'm putting my reads out there and you shouldn't be discrediting them.

Be more critical

as in...?