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i see you rolled scum this time VOTE: RC
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hmm i like where youre coming from, but its wrong. when i said it took me a while to get settled i just meant that i was fence-sitting to see which way the wind was blowing and all of a sudden town had moved on before i positioned myself. as town sometimes i can take a while to get invested and start getting reads too though. and i can definitely shitpost as either alignment.In post 44, MURDERCAT wrote:Tayl0r I remember you saying that it took you a while to get going as scum in our last game together. Based on that, I read your early memeing as townie as, I feel like you would be a little more hesitant to post something like 11 as scum even though it's an obvious joke. (I certainly feel that way as scum). What do you think of that read?-
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actually im very nervous but fortunately no one seems to have noticed my scumslip. i feel like i covered it up pretty well.In post 51, Exorcists wrote:Town pings on Tayl0r because she feels at ease in her early posting.
I dislike this because stating PlusJOYED doesn't want to speculate on prs directly contradicts the following statement of suspecting one exists due to there being a strongman. It doesn't take a genius to work that one out, so the former seems written more for appearances.In post 35, PlusJOYED wrote:so maf have rolecop, roleblocker and non consecutive strongman. thats 5 so we must have 8
I don't wanna speculate on prs this early but I have a suspicion of 1 existing due to the mafia picking a strongman
ahh people beat me to it
ill toss this here for now
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11In post 56, Exorcists wrote:
Where is your scum-slip?In post 52, Tayl0r Swift wrote:actually im very nervous but fortunately no one seems to have noticed my scumslip. i feel like i covered it up pretty well.
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i can see the setup spec maybe not helping that much. but i really cant see it hurting, and im a bit suspicious of those who are pushing back against it. this is info SCUM ALREADY HAS. lets level the playing field? for VTs it wont help much, but for PRs theyll know what other PRs are in the game, at the very least.-
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no it wont.In post 68, Battle Mage wrote:
see murdercat post 65. scum already knows what PRs we have, but doesnt know who has them. if we speculate about what they are, it'll be pretty obvious to them who is and isn't one.In post 63, xofelf wrote:
What do you mean?In post 61, Battle Mage wrote:
I have no idea why anyone town would want to do this.In post 58, xofelf wrote:Oh, so this is going to be a very talkative game from the start, alright. Sure.
Let me see if I can follow along. With how this setup works, if you're good at maths and all, you can kinda mechanically guess what sort of PRs town could have based on how many points were spent for the Undead? I will admit I am unfamiliar with the setup or how any of it works, so already starting a step or so behind there. Is there any sort of benefit to theorizing that, or is it more just a good place to start early game conversations? I can't remember the last time I played an Open so forgive me, my logic is rusty on ideal play.-
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i mean it could if the town PRs fuck up and are dumb. but they just have to feign ignorance and not be like "well im the cop so in all the scenarios i consider, therell be a cop"... like if it outs town PRs then itll out scum too, who are also TMI. itll take 2 seconds to go through and look at the possible options for town with 8 points, and then to look at which ones dont make sense given the scum roles.In post 71, xofelf wrote:Why are you so sure it won't?-
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i dont like BM's logicIn post 82, MURDERCAT wrote:
What about it?In post 81, Tayl0r Swift wrote:taylor just despises BM's playstyle.
i dont like BM's posting style
i dont like BM's strategies
i feel like i dont like BM as a person.
BM always tunnels me (and i have started returning the favor).
its just always a shitfest with BM in the game.
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i mean... BM immediately jumped down my throat, even putting an RVS vote on me and then pushing me as scum and telling people to ignore me. its not shocking. i can play on given that. but i do have to defend myself, and i was asked a direct question about my feelings about BM. if thats an issue i dont mind being replaced. but its not such an issue for me that i cant be civil.-
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i didnt say both. i was serious in saying that we should speculate about what roles town has. i was joking when i scum claimed.In post 93, Battle Mage wrote:
I mean, she said both. I don't think anyone is going to argue over whether she did 'setup spec' or not - that's perfectly clear. I saw the "joking around" bit as either a justification for that, or potentially paving the way for that justification later. Felt it was worth nipping in the bud early.In post 91, MURDERCAT wrote:
This is a misrep of that post though, Tayl0r says she stands by doing setup spec in this post.In post 90, Battle Mage wrote:
i dont think you can backtrack now and suggest you were 'joking around' when you were trying to out town PRs.In post 81, Tayl0r Swift wrote:so first of all taylor isnt inactive here. taylor just despises BM's playstyle. taylor does joke around as either alignment. and taylor does become more active and better at reading as the game progresses (as both alignments). and taylor stands by doing setup spec.
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really?In post 119, xofelf wrote:Could just be dumb instead of scum. I don't underestimate people's abilities to just be bad.
I do think I need more time to have any sort of reads on anybody, but I do think I at least like where BM's head is at. Reminds me of a handful of other players that I've had good feelings about in the few games I've played this year.
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BM should know me well enough at this point to know for a fact that shitposting is NAI for me. yet BM is trying to spin it as me being scum.In post 124, MURDERCAT wrote:
Yeah I guess what I am saying is that I am specifically trying not to meta just based off of that one data point just because it is particularly salient. But yes I am noticing the parallel that you are seeing. I am also slightly worried that you might attempt to use that parallel as scum to make town taylor look bad, if I'm being perfectly honest. Not saying that's how I'm reading it, but that's why I'm being careful.In post 110, Battle Mage wrote:that's interesting on 2 counts.
Firstly, I thought you would have some opinion about the parallel with Noir Mafia situation, and be willing to share it, as you had recognised it too. I had an expectation of what your opinion might be, but am more surprised you didn't share one. Although I appreciate the need for balanced meta, that doesn't preclude you reflecting on whether 2 situations/behaviours are comparable.
Secondly, I struggle to see what you're getting at with the probability thing. Isn't that the same with any 2 random players? And if you aren't reading much into the interaction, why even bother picking me and Taylor? Getting a slightly weird vibe here that you're starting with the presumption of at least 1 of us being scum, which wouldn't accord.
And yes, it is true that it works for any two players but you two had a very pointed interaction, that's why it makes sense to start there. So I'm not currently getting much out of it, but I might if I look at some meta and I'm going to be watching how you two continue to interact in the early game going forward. It's not an assumption that one of you is scum, just a starting point.-
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lets just say that no one has caught me as scum with that "tell" because it isnt a tell. i just like to have a bit of fun and live on the edge.
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well what will you make of it when BM is applying the same pressure to me on day 3?In post 137, MURDERCAT wrote:I do feel like BM's analysis is a little simplistic, but it is only page 6. It could also be pressure for the sake of pressure rather than a true strong scum read.-
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honestly couldnt say. only have one scumgame anyway.In post 143, Exorcists wrote:
do you think you do it more of the time town or scum?In post 138, Tayl0r Swift wrote:lets just say that no one has caught me as scum with that "tell" because it isnt a tell. i just like to have a bit of fun and live on the edge.
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well im used to RC having decent takes and effort. also i like the people on the RC wagon.In post 166, MURDERCAT wrote:It does seem like fairest thing to do right?
Actually I think I might be seeing the reasoning on your canadian vote, but I'd like to hear why you voted there-
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mhmm i think theres something to be said for hiding your townreads a little at the end of each day and maybe even throwing out some deceptive townreads. but generally, more info is good for town. the more we share reads the more info we have and the less scum can hide by saying "i have townreads but dont wanna talk about them"-
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ok well maybe it would be simpler if we just called him hecticIn post 170, Isis wrote:this "RC" nicknaming convention is gonna be a hella struggle-
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as do i.In post 181, PlusJOYED wrote:I also maintain my xolef scumread-
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youre asking where my townread on those two comes from?In post 183, egotisi wrote:+1 to please don't call random canadian rc
you're probably the first person i heard say that (other) hydras sound fun
also hi noraa!!
where does this come from?In post 168, Tayl0r Swift wrote:well im used to RC having decent takes and effort.also i like the people on the RC wagon.
ok, is there any more to this? where / who do you think is the likely scum on the wagon and why?In post 180, PlusJOYED wrote:hmm this RC wagon is koving kinda fast
i think there could be scum on it
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mmmmm, the longer you wait the more impressive the reasoning will have to be.In post 178, MURDERCAT wrote:VOTE: RandomCanadian
I am going to very blatantly hop on this wagon because [reasons to be revealed later]-
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neat. my townread on exorcists is for sure stronger. its largely gut on you, but youre being nice and aggressive and it feels like towntisi to me. calling me out on it feels even more towntisi. am i wrong?In post 188, egotisi wrote:ee. m-
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why would ignoring a shitpost be AI? its lame but its not AI.In post 191, egotisi wrote:
you are not wrong. though i'm wondering where you're getting that meta from if you were considering my play so far to be aggressive? (if you can.)In post 190, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
neat. my townread on exorcists is for sure stronger. its largely gut on you, but youre being nice and aggressive and it feels like towntisi to me. calling me out on it feels even more towntisi. am i wrong?In post 188, egotisi wrote:ee. m
also for some reason i was thinking you were gonna scumread me for ignoring your earlier shitpost directed at me
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i think i found myself a hecticIn post 206, Exorcists wrote:I sense a great e̢̼͓̝̖̦̊̂̏̽́͛̽͒̔͡v̷̢̧̛̰̪͎̳͖̺̯̽͗̔͋̅͗̐̽̏i̸̩̖̜͕̮̥͙̿̀̈̌̆̽̆ͅl̨͍͕̣̱͇̹͗̓͒̏̋͆͟͜͡in this thread...
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battle mage literally always tunnels me. its not good play but strictly speaking its NAI.In post 227, PlusJOYED wrote:why are you already tunneling battle mage? It's page 10
I think that looks like an excuse to tunnel a town
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which towngames is this different than? which of my single scumgame is it similar to? in what ways?In post 242, Battle Mage wrote:i do think this is a very different gameplan from taylor compared to her towngames, and very similar to her scumgame.-
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In post 250, PlusJOYED wrote:noraa wanna join my xoxelf wagon
VOTE: xofelfIn post 256, PlusJOYED wrote:
oh shit guys he caught usIn post 253, Battle Mage wrote:i think we've already learnt quite a lot. an unusually high number of people defending taylor without grounds.
the entire scumteam swapped to defend taylor cause 1 person is tunneling her in the first 10 pages
ggs time to concede
xofelf wagon?
its an awfully big scumteam. ~5 people said they didnt understand BM's push on me.-
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because kanna is mean?In post 284, Isis wrote:Because it's only okay to bully friends that will know you're teasing.
If you bully random strangers it's mean.
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radiant cowbells is one of the most infamous scummers.In post 308, Random Canadian wrote:One last thing, can someone explain who the other RC is? I kind of like the RC abbreviation but it sounds like someone already uses it here lol-
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In post 74, xofelf wrote:
Fair sentiment, may just. But I'm genuinely curious why she thinks that. The explanation you and Murdercat gave seemed solid enough to me as to why it was a bad idea.In post 73, Battle Mage wrote:
just ignore herIn post 71, xofelf wrote:Why are you so sure it won't?
these two posts are unbelievably rude considering we dont know each other at all. and that might be coloring my xofelf read. on the other hand, it seems like a really cheap reason to scumread someone and dismiss them without actually having to do any work to sort them, so this also genuinely pings me as scum.In post 119, xofelf wrote:Could just be dumb instead of scum. I don't underestimate people's abilities to just be bad.
I do think I need more time to have any sort of reads on anybody, but I do think I at least like where BM's head is at. Reminds me of a handful of other players that I've had good feelings about in the few games I've played this year.
Also hi Gamma <3
then theres the readlist from xofelf. from xofelfs self meta, they are a tone/gutreader like me. and they often have strange reads and get scumread like me. consequently, id expect us to be very much on the same page. and i generally trust myself to be pretty accurate with confident townreads, even if my scumhunting leaves something to be desired. so the fact that xofelf hasnt sorted a lot of the people i have, and has sorted as town some of the people im still waiting to sort really pings me hard.
VOTE: xofelf
i still dont like how fast the RC wagon fell apart for no reason other than "ooh a shiny"
that said, i was ready to move on to a more serious wagon myself, but RC has not done anything to deserve that votes move away. in fact, im a bit concerned that RC seems to have dodged the thread for the most part since the wagon formed.-
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just ignoring someone is kinda rude. saying someone is probably dumb is ruder.In post 375, Battle Mage wrote:doesn't strike me as rude? but more importantly, it didn't appear to be setting up to scumread you - rather xofelf made an excuse for you to defend you (i.e. anti-town rather than scum). Why do you think xofelf-scum would defend Taylor-town so baselessly, but in such a way which doesn't pocket either?-
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xofelf was not defending me.In post 381, Battle Mage wrote:
well done for not answering the bit which actually matters for the game.In post 378, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
just ignoring someone is kinda rude. saying someone is probably dumb is ruder.In post 375, Battle Mage wrote:doesn't strike me as rude? but more importantly, it didn't appear to be setting up to scumread you - rather xofelf made an excuse for you to defend you (i.e. anti-town rather than scum). Why do you think xofelf-scum would defend Taylor-town so baselessly, but in such a way which doesn't pocket either?-
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well just know ill be keeping an eye on you. its very convenient that youre back now that the pressure is off. i moved my vote because the game was ready to move on and i didnt want to help stagnate it. im conflicted, as i expressed. i both dislike the wagon falling apart, and like that it fell apart. im not sure which one of those is the correct take. i dont townread you though.In post 389, Random Canadian wrote:How come you stopped voting me in this same post then if my play hasn't deserved your attention elsewhere?-
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what move?In post 409, Exorcists wrote:I’ve finished my exorcism.
I read Taylor’s posts back and kind of changed my mind. If that move had the motivation I was thinking of, it’d be brilliant, but I don’t know if it does realistically. I still think Battle Mage’s stance comes from a town POV though.
@Battle Mage, I’m still interested in this. Can you summarise how she did this and link please?In post 75, Battle Mage wrote:she's probably just brazen scum. i recently played another open setup with taylor and she was scum and made a similar move on day 1 - openly trying to encourage town to make an obviously anti-town play. inexplicably she survived until day 3...
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actually id say my normal town play is to be pretty scummy. im less engaged atm for 2 reasons. 1) irl has been really busy so havent had time to be my normal self. youll see that with me sitewide atm. 2) this game is gonna be heavy mech for a bit. thats boring for me so im not gonna participate much. i cant get through bunno posts about mech. too boring.In post 660, Noraa wrote:explain why. Normally being this scummy isnt ur town play. In the newbie we were in together, u weren't this distant. I don't really think ur scum but I'd appreciate if you actually participated and inputted useful info instead of doing whatever ur doing rn.
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hectic?In post 662, Cobra Kai wrote:@Datisi- I’m experienced. I’m townreading you because I’ve seen you play scum, frankly.
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yesIn post 708, Noraa wrote:lel I did that when I had zero pressure. is that really scum!Noraa meta?
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