Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[SirCakez]

WASSSSSSSUP
VOTE: nosferatu

Sort of monster I'd expect in a haunted house

[SirCakez]

I see I have somehow completely missed the existence of the dawn phase - I am quite bad at reading rules.

Should we mass-claim what we did last night and our motivations behind our actions?

Why would we do this?

[SirCakez]

I have townpings on Penguin and Gamma, and the barest hint of a scumping on SirCakez

~ Games

You still haven't answered my question

[SirCakez]

why would we want to spill who is trying to destroy labs?

[SirCakez]

My thing is like what if scum can mess with the people trying to destroy the labs?

[SirCakez]

My thing is like what if scum can mess with the people trying to destroy the labs?

Like, how?

I don't know, their roles/Careers or items I'd assume
We also don't know if stuff is multitasking or not

[SirCakez]

I did read the rules but there's just a lot so I probably forgot some things

[SirCakez]

I agree F/G isn't necessarily scummy here just not thinking things through

[SirCakez]

I did read the rules but there's just a lot so I probably forgot some things

VOTE: SirCakez

My previous vote was also serious, but I feel better about this.

Oh do enlighten me

[SirCakez]

I'm fine with setup spec but I can't get into it myself
just fyi

[SirCakez]

Are the posts on this page written in another language
Bingle don't think I missed that you ignored me

[SirCakez]

Okay. How do you feel about things like the wagon on you that aren't setup spec?

Nobody has given any reasoning for it other than F/G being I didn't want night action massclaim? So not much to say there.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

I see I have somehow completely missed the existence of the dawn phase - I am quite bad at reading rules.

Should we mass-claim what we did last night and our motivations behind our actions?

Why would we do this?

My thing is like what if scum can mess with the people trying to destroy the labs?

My thing is like what if scum can mess with the people trying to destroy the labs?

Like, how?

I don't know, their roles/Careers or items I'd assume
We also don't know if stuff is multitasking or not

I'm fine with setup spec but I can't get into it myself
just fyi

Reason for voting SirCakez. He jumps into game focusing on setup spec, and then immediately proves he didn't know possibly the most interesting parts of the setup: Scum can't kill. Also, there's like 5 references to multiple actions. In the rules section:

Spoiler:

All players are able to perform as many of the following actions as they would like:

3) Each Night phase, perform up to [half your speed rounded down, with a minimum of 1] of the following actions:

You are not allowed to send me conditional actions (i.e. "if I discover an Item room, then attempt to Activate X LAB").

Players can choose to use as few as zero of their actions during each Night phase.
If a player does not submit actions during the Night phase, I will by default assume they use one action to explore Rooms and do not perform any other actions.

DOCTORS do not have a factional nightkill. Instead, DOCTORS have an additional factional attack they can use once per Night (in addition to their personal actions) by nominating one of the DOCTORS to perform the attack. The attack counts as an additional action for that DOCTOR and the nominated DOCTOR can use any stat modifications, abilities, etc. in their possession on this attack in addition to any personal attacks made. However, this attack will never be shown as attributed to a specific DOCTOR, but instead will appear as if “a DOCTOR” attacked (i.e., identity will always be private for factional attack). This factional attack does not count towards the personal limit of actions taken.

And yet, SC was A) aware that labs needed to be destroyed, B) unaware of multitasking, and C)

hasn't actually done any scumhunting

. Very much press doubt to X.

Yeah I read the rules once three days ago. Said rules are like five pages long and I have a ton of things going on IRL and not much time with college rn so not everything stuck. Deal with it.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: beeboy
Didn't realize I was still on Nosferatu
I can get behind this wagon

[SirCakez]

VOTE: SirCakez

Another one!

[SirCakez]

Bingle what kind of memory do you think I have? I literally scum slipped as town once because I forgot part of my own role in an Open

[SirCakez]

Also 156 was in reference to Nosferatu not me

[SirCakez]

Also 156 was in reference to Nosferatu not me

156 was a justification of the post notskitts made that I called out. By responding to it, I was implicitly not caring about the defense, while pointing that hydra towards something I actually wanted to hear their thoughts on that was logic adjacent.

If you're town, who/what reads do you have.

I see
Honestly I don't have much, this game is still really short and what has been posted has not been pinging me much. I didn't realize beeboy was V/LA so I'll move here.
VOTE: albert b rampage

[SirCakez]

I am against voting Ydrassa on principle, I really just don't like voting new players in playerlists like this that have a good range of experienced players in them.
From experience the scum hit rate on doing that is extremely low, not to mention new players tend to just be very easy to read as a game moves on because they just don't have a near comparable range to most players in this game.

If we keep moving forward with the game I guess I am just not going to hard veto the idea but ehhh..


Town is playing at a pretty slow pace, I am not talking about this game having 10 pages, it's even the content in them. Scum are likely matching the pace but want to seem proactive which makes me immidiately look at ABR and Cakez for wagoning a completely afk player. Who doubles as being declared as afk through a VLA.

PP thinking about how the afk players are making the game rough on his ability to sort could be an ever so slight town ping from the sense he is trying to figure out what is going on and why his ability to solve is being gutted. But honestly that is easy to fake so it's staying in the "ever so slight town ping" zone for now.

I didn't realize you were V/LA ftr I thought you were just lurking that's why I moved my vote when I found out.

VOTE: sircakez

this is an overdue vote, i didn’t mind being on doctorpepper (DOCTORpepper) but i’ve been pinged a few times by sir. 35, 88, 129 are the main offenders.

sircakez, do you consider yourself an oblivious person?

In some contexts sure

I haven't seen any reason to vote ydrasse other then people saying to just do it?

[SirCakez]

for my next act
VOTE: creativemod1

Who?

[SirCakez]

Wagons are good.

Make another.

VOTE: Fun and Games
Okay

FOS: Gamma

y are you fos'ing gamma here?

~ games

Y aren’t u?

scummy

[SirCakez]

irrelevant. it's just the kind of post scum frequently makes.

[SirCakez]

did somebody say scummy post?

[SirCakez]

I'm kinda feeling this is a scum in the lurkers/low content players kind of game.

[SirCakez]

I'm disliking ABR a lot but I also have totally goofed on a sure SR on ABR before :/

[SirCakez]

not why I should vote there, but why are you voting there

he can't even explain Gamma don't bother asking

[SirCakez]

TIL GeorgeBailey is in this game, wtf?
CMOD seems genuine but totally lost.
I don't really have a desire to move my Ydrasse vote.

[SirCakez]

*looks at vc*
*looks at Cake post above*

<.<
>.>
>.<

[SirCakez]

VOTE: ydrasse
I thought I moved off ABR a while ego evidently not

[SirCakez]

Does penguin always play like this?

[SirCakez]

you're not reliable shush

[SirCakez]

I mean you can also check for yourself but sure okay.

Yeah but I'm biased rn because you're frustrating me

[SirCakez]

Sorry you are easily frustrated.

Thanks it is hard sometimes

[SirCakez]

I AM ASSASSIN.

my role allows me to attack someone as many times as my speed allows per night, rather than once; however, this does not allow me to do another specific action during the night.

i'm claiming because my other post didn't deter things but i would actually like to be useful and get multiple attacks off on scum, ty.

This sounds like it could be a scum role...

[SirCakez]

VOTE: pine
Let's shake this tree

[SirCakez]

VOTE: pine
Let's shake this tree

Y not georgebailey ?

~ games

His ISO is a lil better then Pine's. I would consider voting GB if that wagon revved up.

[SirCakez]

there are a lot of people I would vote if a wagon got going but I don't really have one person who I'm super sure is scum :/

[SirCakez]

die potato

[SirCakez]

DP is V/LA otherwise I'd find them sus too

[SirCakez]

I think that's wrong CM. The way it's worded does sound like the whole ability is unrelated.

[SirCakez]

And it wouldn't make any sense if flavor was unrelated but the actual ability was

[SirCakez]

VOTE: gb
I said I would vote here if there was a wagon

[SirCakez]

Yuuuuuuuuup same here
IF YOURE THE SCUM WHO WOULDNT LET ME WORK OUT YOURE A DICKHEAD

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Pine
Back here
Nos' hammer was shitty

[SirCakez]

I just can't tell if it was green shit or red shit

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Pine
Back here
Nos' hammer was shitty

yeah after i asked the question i thought that his next post was georgetop so i instantly hammered LOL

What's georgetop

[SirCakez]

Dang both labs got activated

[SirCakez]

Oh dear god Bingle is scum.

shhhhh that's a secret

[SirCakez]

Abr pine beeboy any lurker who's playing like crap is fine with me

[SirCakez]

Alright this just got interesting. I'm not interested in beeboy, if he's scum why would he limit his vote to only a hammer, it makes no sense. And it would be too penalizing for a scum to have that handicap. Beeboy is town.

VOTE: Bingle

I confused George with Beeboy. Similar posting styles...

VOTE: Beeboy

So confused by this chain of posts

[SirCakez]

My one reason I don't want to vote Bingle is I feel kinda biased against him because of his bad "setup confusion" push on me

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Pine
I believe Gamma's claim

[SirCakez]

oh I was already voting him lmao

[SirCakez]

Mmm I'm just seeing a lot of evidence for Pine scum here

[SirCakez]

W

IN

C

ONDITIONS

TEST SUBJECTS

(town) win when all

DOCTORS

are dead.

DOCTORS

(mafia) win when any of the following conditions are satisfied:
1) Their number is equal to or greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

at any point during the Day phase, or
2) The number of activated

LABS

is equal to or greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

, and the Voice (leader of the

DOCTORS

) is still alive, or
3) The number of activated

LABS

is strictly greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

.

HOW TO ACHIEVE WIN CONDITIONS:

Some combination of the following can be used to achieve win conditions:

• Eliminate players with your vote.
  
• Kill players by attacking them until any stat is reduced to 0.
  
• Activate or Destroy
  LABS
  using Knowledge rolls.

back to quicklinks

Gamma's "revelation" was public knowledge, you knobs.

I don't know where the +1 knowledge came from.

This is not a great explanation!

[SirCakez]

It's not even the knowledge thing pine is just not showing towniness at all

[SirCakez]

gamma, i have to ask: was this not on your mind d1...? there were a few people who had increased knowledge (pine/gb) and yet you didn't end up voting either of them and instead ended on sircakez. is this theory something that occured to you like, after d1?

The fact two labs ended up being activated is why I had the thought now. Before then it would have merely been conjecture, as stats likely have several uses. With that evidence of the labs, it becomes a situation of “what enabled them to activate 2 in one night?”, which is where my thoughts come in.
I was also attacked by scum last night, so I’m more inclined to present any information I think is helpful now versus later.

How do you know scum attacked you and not a townie?

[SirCakez]

I'll catch up in the morning wasn't expecting to see five new pages when this game has been so slow

[SirCakez]

We should not let off the Pine wagon; he is not changing at all. I don't buy mechanics clearing him. I also don't want to go after some of the mechanically weird people like Gamma or Nos today.

I'm so confused by a lot of things

Nos, you're saying you got operated on last night?

So if we count all the actions we believe Doctors did last night:
1) Roomblocked the gym
2) Activated Lab 1
3) Activated Lab 2
4) Operated on Nos
5) Factional attack on Gamma

roomblock was probably factional, but things are lining up to where it seems my theory about what they did to activate 2 labs is being supported
btw I think upon a Pine scumflip we need to light a fire under ABR and Cakez for both shading me
PEdit: ah thanks

doesnotcompute
I've been all over Pine for pretty much the whole game.

BR does seem a bit sus but in a towny way rn.

how is he sus in a ~townie~ way?

~ skitter

I have since reconsidered (by which I mean he's acted in a way that changed my mind) but he seemed to type of abrasive that I'd expect town to be more often than not, a sort of "devil may care" attitude to how his pushes were perceived.

this means literally nothing w/ABR

He's... not doing anything. And it creeps me out.

Also I have more information. Didn't realize we could use our abilities whenever.

I'd like everyone to tell me in their next post who they would give a +1 knowledge to and why.

Prolly Fun and Games since it seems like they know what's going on or CM1 because I think the way he approached his ability is very town

You're. Welcome.

thanks buddy

Who should I teach iks

The highiest person on this list you townread:
-Nosferatu
-Gamma
-Pine
-everyone else
-Cakez

where the fuck did this come from

Premise: multiple people are considering attacking someone at night.

Because there are no idle labs and Pine is one of the few people who can actually destroy already activated ones, it could be a good idea to attack Pine at night and lynch someone else. Considering someone has a scumlean who isn't Gamma/ Nos.

We almost have enough votes for Pine. We can just lynch him. Who would you attack if you were me?

My point was, that if there are two scummy people and we have people who want to attack at night, we should lynch the other person and kill Pine at night, to give him chance to destroy labs. There are no idle labs, so we aren't risking

that

much.

It is still early for me to have reads, but if I had to attack, I would attack Cakez.
2 Strength, voted George, was counterwagon to George, no solving in his ISO, wasn't attacked by maf tonight even though he had 2 strength.

when I voted George I was not expecting that stupid lolhammer, he was not my preferred elim yesterday at all. to say I have no solving in my ISO is rich. no setup solving maybe but that's because I hate trying to "solve" setups and game mechanics and I made that clear very early on. Which is also probably why scum didn't attack me.

honestly this game is making my brain hurt a little and my brain is already getting wrecked by school
I'm kinda at the point where I want to dump a lurker and go to night

[SirCakez]

I would only vote Johnny because of how bad Beeboy was.

[SirCakez]

why is ydrasse clear again?

[SirCakez]

down to vote any of (abr, pine, penguin)

[SirCakez]

before someone "calls me out" or some shit Penguin is in there because of POE. I feel the active players trying to solve the setup in this game are quite townie.

[SirCakez]

doesnotcompute
I've been all over Pine for pretty much the whole game.

And yet you launched a weird post my way that seemed to be trying to shade me while painting Pine as town
Why would you do that if you have scumread Pine the whole game?

what post are you referring to?

[SirCakez]

*nods*
Yeah another thing I missed, the factional attack flavor...

[SirCakez]

Based on the rest of cakez play I'd rather not

i'm not offended that you won't townclear me for that (I wouldn't either in your position assuming you're town) but I am offended you dislike my play

[SirCakez]

You have a few reads that are inexplicable and you haven't.. well... explained them

I'm referring to the light shade on ydrasse and the light non- shade on funnygarm

I feel like SRing Ydrasse is self explanatory just ISO them
Fun and Games is one of the few engines pushing this game forward doesn't make sense for them to be scum

Based on the rest of cakez play I'd rather not

i'm not offended that you won't townclear me for that (I wouldn't either in your position assuming you're town) but I am offended you dislike my play

why specifically wouldn't you townclear yourself from JF's position? what about him specifically allows that?

because it's something pretty easy to fake. JF specifically is not relevant it could be any other player.

[SirCakez]

i feel like a lot of this game is just going over my head at this point but @_@

VOTE: abr

we have some time and i don't really get saying that we should get a hammer ready when the game has finally picked up. idk if it's like, trying to get an elim through before pressure heightens or trying to get another doctor to not post more stuff + the cred of a scumflip buuuuut. i don't like it.

I actually like this post a lot. I feel v similarly.

Does anyone have a meta read on Albert? Just curious. I played with them years and years ago but can't say with any confidence that I remember anything about their scum vs town game.

I've never had success using meta on Albert - it backfired really badly on me (and him sorta too lol) recently

[SirCakez]

look at me I'm so town

[SirCakez]

VOTE: abr

no problem with an ABR vote but why aren't you pushing me if I'm your top SR?

[SirCakez]

Who should I teach iks

The highiest person on this list you townread:
-Nosferatu
-Gamma
-Pine
-everyone else
-Cakez

judging from this

[SirCakez]

...i really hope f+g is town like i think they are otherwise i am gonna feel like a lost lamb.

this

[SirCakez]

Bingle what do you think about ... well... anything? Is anyone scummy? Or town? You've posted a lot but I can't call anything you believe to mind

I firmly believe that Gamma is fakeclaiming (More on that later), but also that we can't afford to eliminate there at the moment in case I'm wrong. I think that the context of Gamma pushing Pine makes Pine a probable miselim, while I think Pine is pretty much pure null on his own merit. I do need to meta dive Pine to check Gamma's assertion that town Pine is more apologetic and dual-dive Gamma/Pine to see if it's likely Gamma believes that his assertion that town Pine is more apologetic to be true, but I've been busier than expected in meatworld and haven't done so yet.

You and skitts are roughly analogous in that I like the content you're putting out but don't necessarily townread you for it. I do think it's unlikely you're S/S though. I had a scumread on Cakez and Ydrasse yesterday, but it didn't keep strong vibes through the night and I haven't really had strong impressions from either of them. I'd still probably be down to wagon either. I think Nos, iks and Cmod are probably town in roughly that order of strength. I feel weirded out by ABR's lack of clear direction, but I ALSO lack clear direction this game so I'm left with the idea that it might not be an issue of his, but rather of the game itself.

That leaves me with a probable scum PoE of ABR, PP, You, F&G, Ydrasse, SC, but within that pool I'm more or less floundering on who I want to push.

This is not inspiring any confidence from me towards your slot

[SirCakez]

Maybe, but when he was posting it was transparently town, and he had some vla in between

not really

ydrasse has been floating around but I mindmeld them
I don't want to elim F/G because it will make the game more apathetic and that's bad

[SirCakez]

feed me case

[SirCakez]

boop

u late

[SirCakez]

Slight overview I'm accusing you of encouraging stagnant discussion d2 rather than hunting scum or... well contributing

actually I can kind of see this

[SirCakez]

JF that was not very convincing

[SirCakez]

Idk the early pushback has me a little discouraged, but I feel like I've got something here. If someone comes in and tells me it's mostly ego, I might believe them, but I can't shake this suspicion

I don't think you have nothing but I also don't think it's strong enough for me to want to go after them over someone like Pine or ABR or PP

[SirCakez]

PenguinPower
I dislike their posting today a lot. And I never really got town vibes from them day 1.

[SirCakez]

are we for sure Pine will die tonight?

[SirCakez]

PenguinPower
I dislike their posting today a lot. And I never really got town vibes from them day 1.

Still with the hurt feelings? Get over it.

nah you're just not even trying

[SirCakez]

I like how calling me butthurt is your defense though

[SirCakez]

I shouldn't even really need to case PP his ISO is a self-case

[SirCakez]

I didn't say butthurt?

But, it's factual that your scumread on me started with my vote on you at the beginning of the game and now you are using generic things like "don't like posting" (despite a vla!) to support it.

It's lame and a little scummy.

PenguinPower
I dislike their posting today a lot. And I never really got town vibes from them day 1.

Still with the hurt feelings? Get over it.

this is close enough. whatever I don't want to get in a personal argument.
that's not true. I didn't starting SRing you until midway through today because I was aware that me disliking your push on me was making me biased. But you've made so many bad posts today. Like

Either way as it's been mentioned by other people, both labs got activated and we know a roleblock happened in the Gym, given that I did something else, there's a good chance I didn't do any of the doctor sided actions (unless you think I'm a 4th doctor here)

I don't like this post.

and this

Penguin has not posted content in 7 days

Well...that's not true.

(it was true)

i think penguin's day1 is out of his scumrange tbh

~ skitter

That's also not true tbh.

You trying to pull a Bingle on me?

and this LAMIST

I have a foolproof method of reading PP. Sheep irrelephant. Now we just need irrelephant to join the game so I can get his read on PP.

Or be scum! Then you know my alignment...right, Bingle?

buddying

[SirCakez]

etc etc
it's not the inactivity (obv your V/LA is NAI)
but when you're here and do post it's generally not good

[SirCakez]

dammit you were waiting for that

[SirCakez]

GOTTEM
it's hard to write a lot about an ISO with a word count per post average in the single digits )))

[SirCakez]

DAMN EMOJIS RUINING MY OBNOXIOUS SUPERIORITY COMPLEX

[SirCakez]

FIGHT ME PENGUIN

[SirCakez]

boop

why are you booping the middle of the page

[SirCakez]

in the game lol put the banhammer away
its ok

[SirCakez]

we already tried this yesterday

[SirCakez]

well Pine is getting replace lemme go here
VOTE: penguin

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

I didn't say butthurt?

But, it's factual that your scumread on me started with my vote on you at the beginning of the game and now you are using generic things like "don't like posting" (despite a vla!) to support it.

It's lame and a little scummy.

PenguinPower
I dislike their posting today a lot. And I never really got town vibes from them day 1.

Still with the hurt feelings? Get over it.

this is close enough. whatever I don't want to get in a personal argument.
that's not true. I didn't starting SRing you until midway through today because I was aware that me disliking your push on me was making me biased. But you've made so many bad posts today. Like

Either way as it's been mentioned by other people, both labs got activated and we know a roleblock happened in the Gym, given that I did something else, there's a good chance I didn't do any of the doctor sided actions (unless you think I'm a 4th doctor here)

I don't like this post.

and this

Penguin has not posted content in 7 days

Well...that's not true.

(it was true)

i think penguin's day1 is out of his scumrange tbh

~ skitter

That's also not true tbh.

You trying to pull a Bingle on me?

and this LAMIST

I have a foolproof method of reading PP. Sheep irrelephant. Now we just need irrelephant to join the game so I can get his read on PP.

Or be scum! Then you know my alignment...right, Bingle?

buddying

[SirCakez]

yes

[SirCakez]

@Cakey I didn't mean "by bad do you mean scummy", but rather "do you think its not possible for town to be bad"

ofc it's possible for town to be bad but I don't think Penguin is that kind of bad

[SirCakez]

Noraa about to blow this game up

[SirCakez]

I can do Bingle I guess

[SirCakez]

Your reputation precedes you

[SirCakez]

Your reputation precedes you

*nods in agreement*
which game'd u read?
also my activity *might* not be that high. It depends on if I vibe with the game lel and plus I'm in like 9 games rn or something . If I don't, ur gonna get very low activity

I haven't actually read any of them I just checked a couple of newbies and saw your insane post counts lol
Don't burn out!!!

[SirCakez]

Noraa about to blow this game up

In a good or bad way?

Neutral

[SirCakez]

I can do IKSF

[SirCakez]

wrt bingle, i can see your point, but i'm not sure i find it as compelling as you do
i think his push on gamma is more cause for concern

~ skitter

Why?

[SirCakez]

pedit because gamma is kinda obviously town and bingle's case is based on a whole lotta assumptions that i'm not sure hold

I don't see this

[SirCakez]

pedit because gamma is kinda obviously town and bingle's case is based on a whole lotta assumptions that i'm not sure hold

I don't see this

Which part

Gamma obvtown

ok now that we have a day and a bit left, can we work on coalescing on a non-awful wagon?

pedit i would compromise on chara if necessary, but i think we should be voting johnny

~ skitter

Johnny isn't happening today pick someone else

Can we plz wagon him now ... ^
I really dont think he's this bad

I can go back to ABR looks like Penguin isn't happening
I could also go back to Ydrasse idc about the claim anymore

VOTE: ABR

[SirCakez]

claims don't even matter this game I thought this was established

[SirCakez]

mechanics talk is going in circles nobody cares

[SirCakez]

i'm kinda disappointed

You're kinda disappointed because you think I should have more townreads? Who should I be townreading here? You? ABR? Pineslot?

Like... I don't have reads because I haven't seen things that really strike me as indicative. This entire PL has been a big ball of null, myself included. The fact that we haven't been able to get a wagon past two or three players other than the wagon on the guy who posted like three times total and then lurk replaced kinda proves my point.

give us something to work with or die

[SirCakez]

nobody can call 55 pages of content null

[SirCakez]

what about i keep siteflaking? nobody townreads him

[SirCakez]

Hydra does.

@fun and games why?

[SirCakez]

see broken spoiler

what do you mean by "right things at the right time"? I'm not really seeing it. and your argument that he's a LHF last minute push doesn't really hold water because there's no wagon there

what about i keep siteflaking? nobody townreads him

Seriously skitter? You're telling me you townread this?

lol get out of here with this flailing

[SirCakez]

I'm feeling slightly
.
.
.
Violent tonight

[SirCakez]

GET WRECKED LILITH

[SirCakez]

DAMNIT

[SirCakez]

I HAD THE PAGE TOP I HAVE A PHOTO OF IT LILITH CHEATED

[SirCakez]

VOTE: bingle whatever I can't stand his posting on the last two pages

[SirCakez]

lol get out of here with this flailing

Dude, the major topic of conversation for the previous page was that I townread Nos and somewhat iks. Skitter had towncased iks literally yesterday. And yet you wanted to pivot off of me onto iks because 'no one townreads him' while PP was actively pushing me.

Do you think you should be townread?

I wasn't on you in the first place I was on ABR
Yeah I've done more this game than a good amount of the players

[SirCakez]

classic scum AtE

[SirCakez]

1355 is not "on you"

[SirCakez]

1355 is not "on you"

"Give us content or die."

"I totally wasn't supporting your elimination with that post."

I gave you an out

[SirCakez]

Bingle if you're town I will make it my life's purpose to make sure Penguin dies

[SirCakez]

Bingle if you're town I will make it my life's purpose to make sure Penguin dies

Fucking seriously, skitter?

Engage me stop asking Skitter to save you

[SirCakez]

Bingle I misunderstood your SR on Penguin I thought it was very strong
Noraa you should prob stop joining more games if you're overwhelmed

[SirCakez]

I'll be back tmrw morning

[SirCakez]

Fun and games is my current strongest SR

pick someone else this is never happening today

I've been telling you guys about F&G for several days now. Let's do this.

VOTE: Fun & Games

really dislike this we need to stick on Bingle or something that will actually happen within the next day

I could go back to Chara also. Nothing about their entrance struck me as town.

[SirCakez]

(Chara, Bingle, ABR)
these are the realistic wagons today

[SirCakez]

I don't think fun and games is a not realistic wagon

make it happen then
Penguin is right, it doesn't make sense that you'd complain about a wagon not happening while not even trying to push it yourself

[SirCakez]

how is ydrasse's iso even scummy

how is it not?

[SirCakez]

Gamma Emerald has been prodded.

Now searching for a replacement for Chara.

not a good look for the Chara/Pine slot

how is ydrasse's iso even scummy

how is it not?

the response to the initial wagon was pretty townie

yall should've just sheeped me when i called her town given that i started the wagon in the first place but its w/e

yeah but today Ydrasse has been completely useless

[SirCakez]

can I get the bingle wagon reasoning in a sentence or so, I'm trying to play several games fast rn

He has few reads and not really trying to engage and threw a bunch of AtE rage out when the wagon built

[SirCakez]

Noraa vs F and G is so dumb

[SirCakez]

i'd have preferred a response wherein you explained the bad penguin vote or you explain how you only have 1.5 townreads at this stage

I only have 1.5 townreads because I can see literally all of the people as scum. It's not a difficult concept. I voted Penguin because of all the people who I think are legitimate options for today, he's the one that I think is the best elimination for the ability to win the game. He's not likely to do much of anything while I'm around. I'm not likely to do much of anything while he's around. He, just like just about everyone, could very well be scum. He's done absolutely nothing town indicative, and dealing with his perpetual tunnels on me is just getting exhausting, tbh. It's not even really his fault, I just don't have enough motivation to deal with it even though I usually enjoy our banter.

this was the post that got me to vote Bingle ftr

[lilith2013]

Spoiler:

I don't see fighting down my elimination as being worth the effort in the long term chances of the town. I legitimately haven't done anything that's worth keeping me around for, so it's hard to blame people for not keeping me around.

lol get out of here with this flailing

Dude, the major topic of conversation for the previous page was that I townread Nos and somewhat iks. Skitter had towncased iks literally yesterday. And yet you wanted to pivot off of me onto iks because 'no one townreads him' while PP was actively pushing me.

Do you think you should be townread?

I wasn't on you in the first place I was on ABR
Yeah I've done more this game than a good amount of the players

Oh, I'm sorry, were you lying? And what the fuck does "I've done more" have to do with "I deserve a townread"?

i'm kinda disappointed

You're kinda disappointed because you think I should have more townreads? Who should I be townreading here? You? ABR? Pineslot?

Like... I don't have reads because I haven't seen things that really strike me as indicative. This entire PL has been a big ball of null, myself included. The fact that we haven't been able to get a wagon past two or three players other than the wagon on the guy who posted like three times total and then lurk replaced kinda proves my point.

give us something to work with or die

what about i keep siteflaking? nobody townreads him

1355 is not "on you"

"Give us content or die."

"I totally wasn't supporting your elimination with that post."

Bingle if you're town I will make it my life's purpose to make sure Penguin dies

Fucking seriously, skitter?

@Gamma this stuff

link to VC on this page

[SirCakez]

esp 1396 that's a classic dying scum tactic

[SirCakez]

Bingle hasn't done anything crazy scummy. I have no reason to believe they are scum.

so null?

[SirCakez]

oh I'm an idiot Noraa is in the Ydrasse slot I thought Ydrasse was still in the game lol

[SirCakez]

cakez, why did you say F&G wasn't a viable vote a couple hours ago?

We knew there was support.

is there really? they've gotten like two votes

[SirCakez]

cakez, why did you say F&G wasn't a viable vote a couple hours ago?

We knew there was support.

is there really? they've gotten like two votes

Yes, there was support. People gave verbal consent but didn't vote. Then you said to Noraa "it wasn't viable" and to vote within me charaa and bingle.

who are these "verbal supporters"?

[SirCakez]

oh wow there are a lot more votes on F/G than I thought

[SirCakez]

my b
still don't want to elim them but I'll concded they are a viable wagon

[SirCakez]

I don't even think F&G is particularly townie I just think others are way scummier and more useless and elimming them today is dumb

[SirCakez]

u really think I check vcs?

why would you make comments on the VC or people voting if you won't even put in the effort to check the VC to make sure your post is accurate?

You understand people actually spend time on this game right? It's kind of disrespectful of our time if you just randomly spam nonsense.

this is stupid

[SirCakez]

how am I trying to take a bullet for them

[SirCakez]

Put yourself in my chair. You were part of the people today who didn't want to lead bandwagons or mix things up, contributing to the staleness you criticized. For the past 2 weeks, all you did was pile onto people who were being voted already and had high odds of being lynched. And now you come out of the shadows to defend F&G who you never townread, and act more aggressively than your ordinary meta to get your way, and this is without even following who's voting who. Then you get a pass from F&G after all this. I'm trying to weigh the contradictions. Walk me through what you're trying to achieve here.

yeah I joined different wagons because I wanted something to go through so we could progress
now a wagon is finally moving on one person who I am not interesting in elimming (when there are several others I would) so ofc I'm gonna push back
I also don't see how this is different from "my nomral meta"

[SirCakez]

I've never ever seen cakez say "hey you can't vote for w, your options are x, y, and z". Even if he has done this before, the timing is off when w is definitely on the table at the time he said it wasn't. It's what I refer to as a decision point. Manipulating a decision point when the winds are blowing in different directions are what scum do to help town lynch themselves.

i was trying to get the game moving to avoid a NL and picked three people I thought were global scumreads
because if you don't narrow down options that's how you get five vanity wagons at deadline

[SirCakez]

I agree that all of F&G's townreads being people not interested in elimming them is off

[SirCakez]

ABR doesn't it feel weird to you how this wagon only formed within a day of deadline though?

[lilith2013]

ABR doesn't it feel weird to you how this wagon only formed within a day of deadline though?

The deadline is paused. We have time back on our side.

yeah but this should have formed earlier no?

link to VC on this page

[SirCakez]

ABR doesn't it feel weird to you how this wagon only formed within a day of deadline though?

The deadline is paused. We have time back on our side.

yeah but this should have formed earlier no?

yes ...
it's kinda like how support for iks came out of the woodwork randomly a few days ago when we were in a similar position

that never really pulled together though

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

We don't need a deadline extension ugh lets just end today

[SirCakez]

Claim doesn't matter omg

[SirCakez]

mod yeah

I'm here up til deadline to vote whoever i need, do we really have this many people hung up?

@pengy, cake, or nos why?

What is this question?

[SirCakez]

I've already said I want Bingle over F&G but I'll move there if absolutely necessary at deadline

[SirCakez]

Fine w me

[SirCakez]

Abr if Bingle flips scum don't vig F&G given they were likely a scum-driven counter wagon ya?

[SirCakez]

I would also be open to considering F&G tomorrow if Bingle is town here
Lava was already on my plate considering how bad Pine and Chara were

[SirCakez]

I said I was willing to consider F&G today if Bingle flipped town and he did
So yeah

[SirCakez]

ABR what happened to your vig powers?

[SirCakez]

oh ya that's a thing

[SirCakez]

Everyone is a PR...

[SirCakez]

But also I think ur scum now cuz its really poor townplay to weaken a player and then announce to the world that its easier to kill this player. ur literally inviting scums to come kill me.

Not if that player is scummy...

[SirCakez]

mmm IKS...now that's someone I could get rid of

[SirCakez]

That was not a great idea

[SirCakez]

not crazy about IKS reaction or Nos replace out here

[SirCakez]

Wow some people were busy last night

[SirCakez]

I didn't risk the gym I thought scum would block it again

[SirCakez]

I was not blocked

[SirCakez]

UPDATED TOWN BLOCK:
Noraa, ABR, gamma, Johnny, Cmod, Nos

ok I believe this but can I get a quick take on why each of these are conftown?

actually looking at things it seems like ABR attacked CAKEZ? Why???

no I was already at 2 strength from an event

lel why would scums block the same room two nights in a row? I didnt think they would so I went again.

my thought process was gym is most obviously useful since if you haven't lost any speed and go there you can start taking two actions a night

IKSF is scummy as hell.

^^^^^^^^^^

I'm pretty much ready to vote F&G since it seems like they're giving up? and not the townie kind of giving up.

[SirCakez]

UPDATED TOWN BLOCK:
Noraa, ABR, gamma, Johnny, Cmod, Nos

ok I believe this but can I get a quick take on why each of these are conftown?

you believe the town block? didnt you throw light shade at me yesterday? combined with the fact that I went to the gym which everyone seems to find fishy. Also the fact that no doctors attacked me. Why aren't you more suspicious of me? shouldn't I be a SR by now according to ur progression yesterday? I, frankly still think ur scum.

if you're declaring people conftown there must be reasoning behind it that is unfakable as scum so yeah I'm asking you
Tbh I don't know what to do with you. I SRed the person previously in your slot but you've done a lot to move this game along when you could have just let it fester in apathy as scum. But obviously you're controversial so I don't see why Doctors would attack you over someone more townread like CMod or Gamma.
I don't think you going to the gym was fishy I thought about it myself.

[SirCakez]

the first line of my response was supposed to be inside the quote

[SirCakez]

can you explain why you think those people are conftown?

[SirCakez]

the first line of my response was supposed to be inside the quote

wait no disregard this

[SirCakez]

ABR- conftown cuz thought process *extremely* similar to mine
Gamma- attacked by doctors and destroyed a lab and no one cc'ed
Johnny- thought process really similar as well and night actions seem towny enough
cMod- town for reasons gamma gave
Nos- attacked by scums and most likely destroyed a lab as well

ok lol these are not conftown except for probably Gamma and Nos

[SirCakez]

strong TR =/= conftown
you were making me think I missed things

[SirCakez]

I'm still not sold on ABR but he's nowhere near the top of my chopping block

[SirCakez]

I think it's a decent townblock but calling it conftown is just wrong

[SirCakez]

I think strong TR is close enough to conftown in this setup honestly.

what makes you say this?

[SirCakez]

it's not an argument really I understand what Noraa means now

[SirCakez]

I should ask for that now

[SirCakez]

boop

[SirCakez]

Can we please not spam I don't have time to read that much day q.q

[SirCakez]

Do what? You're in a unique position, if town. Tell me where the scum are? Because last I looked it was me and Albert according to you? And while I'm uneasy about Albert just skating through last night, it's not the strongest read, y'know?

we've been wrong about bingle and georgie b - not sure why you would think we are the best place to look to for advice on scumhunting :3

This post sucks
Just because you got a couple reads wrong does not suddenly mean you are incapable of getting reads right
Seems like AtE defeatism

[SirCakez]

Do what? You're in a unique position, if town. Tell me where the scum are? Because last I looked it was me and Albert according to you? And while I'm uneasy about Albert just skating through last night, it's not the strongest read, y'know?

we've been wrong about bingle and georgie b - not sure why you would think we are the best place to look to for advice on scumhunting :3

This post sucks
Just because you got a couple reads wrong does not suddenly mean you are incapable of getting reads right
Seems like AtE defeatism

how tho lmao

Seems pretty straightforward to me?
They're trying to get people to feel bad for them with this "woe is me" act

lol i reskimmed ydrasse and this is not her town game

what meta are you using here? I'm putting a lot of merit into what you're saying since Nos was pretty close to confirmed town.

ABR- conftown cuz thought process *extremely* similar to mine
Gamma- attacked by doctors and destroyed a lab and no one cc'ed
Johnny- thought process really similar as well and night actions seem towny enough
cMod- town for reasons gamma gave
Nos- attacked by scums and most likely destroyed a lab as well

ok lol these are not conftown except for probably Gamma and Nos

CMod practically threw if he's scum though.

Agreed, I'd add him to Nos and you

If F&G flips red(most likely will happen), IKS is one of the buddies
If not, I'd still like to look into a pool of {cake, penguin, lavar}

this doesn't make any sense
if F&G doesn't flip what you're expecting you're still going to go after the same pool of people?

If F&G flips town I would probably go to ABR and Noraa next

[SirCakez]

no I don't want hammer yet

[SirCakez]

Guys you can waste your breath on this scumbag or you can vote him out. The choice is yours

Dude who cares we are going to elim them so let them talk if they are town we can use what they said tomorrow if not we just ignore it

[SirCakez]

If F&G flips town I would probably go to ABR and Noraa next

You mean reconsider how then...

what does this mean?

Sircakez can i get you to commit to reconsidering abr tomorrow (upon our townflip, etc)

yes

Guys you can waste your breath on this scumbag or you can vote him out. The choice is yours

Dude who cares we are going to elim them so let them talk if they are town we can use what they said tomorrow if not we just ignore it

Why do I get the feeling that you've been trying to derail their lynch since the start while paying lip service to it?

I said I will elim them today already more than once what are you trying to get at?

[SirCakez]

how many posts in this game are lilith boops?

[SirCakez]

you keep doing a ton of preflip analysis which just feels like scum setting up chain lims atm. And saying these today means tomorrow you can be like tee hee look at me I suggested this the day before. I was scum hunting therefore I get +++town points.

F&G has basically been begging for it

[SirCakez]

wtf. the plentiful interaction between F&G and cake will make me drop an SR on cake if F&G flips red bc it just feels like a scum setting a townie up to be their "buddy"

And how is this any different than sircakez 'chaining lims', exactly?

very different. Cake is saying if u flip green, the limpool is only {this}

That's definitely not what I said

[SirCakez]

you keep doing a ton of preflip analysis which just feels like scum setting up chain lims atm. And saying these today means tomorrow you can be like tee hee look at me I suggested this the day before. I was scum hunting therefore I get +++town points.

F&G has basically been begging for it

you were so convinced they were town yesterday

Yeah but they have been not great today and Bingle town flip implies scum F&G since they were the other wagon

[SirCakez]

Incorrect. You started hinting that you would jump on F&G today when Bingle wagon hadn't even gone thru yet. Thats what I mean by u setting up chain lims. I take it back. If F&G is town, you set up chain lims. Partner equity is high but I don't really see it so if F&G is red, ur still green. If not, ur red.

I see what you're saying and I don't think I can make you understand my perspective so

[SirCakez]

F&G I think IKS needs to die for gamestate progression

[SirCakez]

why does ms keep quoting things!!!!!

Ok so i want to decide on a plan here. Because there's something very wrong with the F+G wagon

What?

[SirCakez]

why does ms keep quoting things!!!!!

Ok so i want to decide on a plan here. Because there's something very wrong with the F+G wagon

What?

This is a mech heavy game. We need to optimize our actions so that scum cant run away with a win. Luckily it seems we're ahead on labs being destroyed and none activated but we need to keep that energy going.

no what's this "very wrong" thing with the F&G wagon?

[SirCakez]

Noraa why are you getting pissy that two people are pushing you? And one is probably the most universally scumread player.

[SirCakez]

who's chaining lims now?