Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[Cabd]

Yeah to believe that you need to beleive that either:

A: moderator lies

or

B: Multiple scum are choosing to claim lover-mason on day two. They decided to start crumbing this from the very start of the first game day.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he probably didn't think the dethy would get solved on d1.

also having double-sized PRs makes sense with a scum Role-Cop since it's easier to find them and you get extra bonus for killing them.

We also don't know what kind of power the scum have on their side.

[Tammy]

Tammy, I don't think that is Nahdia's concern.

Do you see something other than ds is using the faulty logic of “I can read Nahdia” when the facts prove that that’s an erroneous claim?

my issue here is less that he's falsely claiming he can read me and more the idea that 275 was a scummy throwaway post. my point is that DS' claim of being able to read me is so removed from reality that i dont think town DS would believe it. my theory is that it's just something scum!DS said as a throwaway line, and now got caught in a web of lies trying to back it up.

No, I understand that, but seeing the type of player he is in this game and the past game I looked at, it would not at all surprise me if he overestimated his ability there and said so.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see it as scum from him either, which means it’s just null.

[Nahdia]

alright, i guess. i appreciate the input. im gonna keep it in the back of my head but i'll stop harping on the point anyway.

[Alisae]

Tammy what do you think of Diamond's response to the mason claims

[Tammy]

1. Game name
   - Smoke-Filled Antechamber
   
2. Flavor
   - Original
   
3. Number of players
   - 17
   
4. Are hydras allowed (Yes/No)
   - No
   
5. Your modding experience
   - A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire...
   
6. Current modding commitments
   - None
   
7. Reviewers
   - None
   
8. Reviewers agreed to FINAL version? (Yes/No)
   - Not needed
   
9. Backup or co-mod
   - GuyInFreezer
   
10. Backup or co-mod's experience
    - Many including multiple Large Theme games
    
11. Backup or co-mod's commitments
    - Large Theme
    
12. Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game? (Yes/No)
    - No

Its not secretly bastard; it wasn’t reviewed.

[Something_Smart]

there is in fact no evidence DS has provided that he has any ability to read me well

I do, however, feel that he provided pretty decent evidence for why he THINKS he can read you, no?

[Nahdia]

i mean... i cant speak to what he thinks. but my disagreement with that statement is actually the basis of what im pushing actually. but oh well.

[fferyllt]

can one or more of the conftowns please tell me if this is something? or am i just wasting my time here?

am i being unreasonable here? i really dont think i am!!!

What exactly are you arguing?

ill quote the whole exchange and then try to summarize:

Spoiler: quotes snipped for relevancy/redundancy

Ooh a pagetop.

Anyways, I'm mostly just gonna go to the backline until Nahdia posts more. I can read them fairly well.

i'd really like DS to answer this question which is a response to post 275.

DS, can you elaborate a bit on you feeling like you have good insight into my alignment? How do you approach reading me in particular?

Ultimately my reads are perpetually feels based. I think that the "logic" that so often permeates this site is a facade to hide behind and try to make this game seem like it's any more than just a dartboard until someone gets flustered.

As such, I just look at people until I get a gut read on them and then I push them. You are one such person I can get a decent gut read for and feel confident about.

I was hoping for a little more than this. You called me out as someone you think you can definitely get a confidant read. That suggests you feel you have a pretty reliable meta on me. Why? What's that meta based on? You don't need to go into excruciating detail if you'd rather not list all of what you feel my tells are, but what are the general things that make me easier to get a gut read for you?

I don't have solid answers on anything. I just have gutreads that I go based off of and then try to scrap together weak justification to convince others that it isn't just a gutread.

I don't have solid answers on anything. I just have gutreads that I go based off of and then try to scrap together weak justification to convince others that it isn't just a gutread.

but you specifically called me out as someone you can read well!!!!! why!? explain yourself!

Because my gut reads are pretty accurate, especially against you. See: Soccer Spirits. (And before you point it out, yes, I was scum, but it was multiball)

so... one game. from four years ago. in which you were scum.

-snip-

in this post you point out you've changed a lot in three years. i'm still a bit baffled at 275 despite this exchange.

like, yall, to drive this point home,

this

is Soccer Spirits mafia. it is one of my first non-newbie games ever on the site: notice it starts like 3 weeks after my join date. THAT'S your basis for feeling like you can gut read me well!? for getting peeved that i wasnt posting more because you could were so certain to read me right?????????

and actually, while you were mafia in that game, you were red mafia. meaning you didn't know for sure it was multiball, though you did speculate there was 3p in the scumthread.

WAIT HOLD ON. YOU SCUMREAD ME THAT GAME.

your read on me THAT game was "nahdia is a noob that is posting a lot but it's all filler so i cant read them". and then you decided i was scum!

the overall point im driving here is that i think DS' original post, 275 is unsubstantiated filler. there is in fact no evidence DS has provided that he has any ability to read me well, so the idea that town!DS would make that post feels less likely to me.

I don't know if it's something because DS looks to me like he's smug about nth-dimensional chess level takes on what players mean, while to me it looks more like he's in the dump it all on the floor phase of pick-up-stix. Your pursuit of this is something that looks pretty town to me, though!

[Alisae]

I actually think scum is likely going to be in {Peta, Gamma, Bell, Cakez} tbh

[Alisae]

I townread Bulge Nahdia
If my scumpool is correct DS is likely town
and I townread Midway still even though thats kind of stale?

[Tammy]

Tammy what do you think of Diamond's response to the mason claims

Doesn’t make sense.

His readslist doesn’t indicate he thought it was a shitty joke he didn’t understand. It looks like he doesn’t believe it, which is fine, I expect town to have some type of skepticism.

As an aside, I didn’t like or understand the hostility in response to your question before. It was outsized and didn’t make sense from the question or anything leading up to it.

My impression of his posting is that he is just posting. A lot of it doesn’t make sense. Doesn’t seem to be even following a pattern or even the game.

I’m tempted to ignore him and solve around him.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ali's never gonna answert my question is e

[Tammy]

i mean... i cant speak to what he thinks. but my disagreement with that statement is actually the basis of what im pushing actually. but oh well.

I can completely understand your indignation there because I’ve been there before.

[Tammy]

Ali's never gonna answert my question is e

What question is that?

Maybe if you post it again, it will help.

What is your take on what is happening right now?

[SirCakez]

Nahdia, you know how mafia players pretend like they know whats going on in the game completely but they actually don't?

people like me!

@Diamond

- what reads do you even have?

Big Dethy Room in the Sky - Locktown. Not allowed to touch those (as much as I'd love to, pertaining to Jake. Speaking of which, where's Jake? I just realized I've not been filled with seething annoyance for too long)
Bell - Null!Scum. Had a couple things here and there that I do not care much for.
Cabd - Scum. My gut has only gotten worse since the whole fiasco on day 1. Although there was something about a mason above? With a dethy, I don't believe that the set-up would have both a dethy and masons. Still, can someone explain later?
midwaybear - Null!town. I'm apprehensive about how readily he's agreeing with me, but I can't point to anything more worrisome.
Cakez - Null. Not a null in a "I can't read him", but a null in "it can go either way". Some stuff I really like, but his interactions with the dethy and a couple others. have been.... interesting.
S_S - Surprisingly null!town. one of my stronger towns, but I'm not putting anyone in actual town because that tier is reserved for haha funny dethy-land.
Alisae - Null. Don't like your fixation on me, but I can't scumread you for that. You're doing your job. Some stuff has rubbed me the wrong way, but hey, that applies to most.
peta - null (slight town leanings, but not null!town). Constant dry humor doesn't off-put me here, so that's good, but other than that, I've seen some things that make me scratch my head. Specifically that their iso is almost entirely questions with a couple of observations. Not much that they've personally postulated. Nothing worrisome, but I keep them on my mind.
Pooky - /shrug. Don't remember them posting aside from snarking and the D1 cringeRP.
Bulge - /shrug. This is what sparked this.
Gamma - I... wish I had more. I haven't gained much on them, but this is really my last

true

gut read. Something doesn't sit right with me about them. I doubt that trying to come up with justification from the thread would work because my unconscious mind is not great.
Nahdia - Still think they're scum.

this may be one of the worst readslists I've ever seen. literally NULL ON EVERYONE EXCEPT FOR A SR ON CONFTOWN

Cabd and SS are also masons

Yeah that was what I was talking about.

I don't believe that. I do not believe for a second that there is one pair of masons with the dethy, much less two.

I also don't believe that you guys are all four scum because that's stupid. What I

do

believe is that this is a super "fun" inside joke (or this game is secretly bastard).

what??? your solution to this is either the world's dumbest mafia inside joke or FG (one of the most tenured and respected mods on MS) is breaking site rules????

[Alisae]

My impression of his posting is that he is just posting. A lot of it doesn’t make sense. Doesn’t seem to be even following a pattern or even the game.

how is this not town indicative in this case?

[SirCakez]

Holy shit Cakez scumpool in 2377 was Me, Nahdia, and Bulge
that is so scummy wtf????

why? you three were looking terrible at that point.

@Alisae response?

[Alisae]

Cakez do you think those reads are scum indicative from Diamond?

[Gamma Emerald]

my take is either scum are trying to rile up the conftowns to get them to look elsewhere or towns are making a mistake

[SirCakez]

Honestly I have no fucking clue

[Alisae]

Holy shit Cakez scumpool in 2377 was Me, Nahdia, and Bulge
that is so scummy wtf????

why? you three were looking terrible at that point.

@Alisae response?

I'm holding you accountable for being terribly wrong

[Alisae]

my take is either scum are trying to rile up the conftowns to get them to look elsewhere or towns are making a mistake

who is riling us up?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma actually has a lot more scum equity then I thought tbh

I think the thing I dislike the most is his positioning with his reads is what stands out to me

what does this mean

@Alisae

[Tammy]

my take is either scum are trying to rile up the conftowns to get them to look elsewhere or towns are making a mistake

Who do you think scum are that are trying to rile up confirmed towns?