As of 1.3 scum are largely ineffective or lurking, regardless of Taylor's alignment. The wagon on Taylor in 1.3 being all town necessitates taking another look at her alignment in future VCs. In 1.4 if Taylor's town, every wagon being voted was town. I remember starting up the shelly counter because I didn't like the game being static at that time. Looking at how almost everyone was voting in 1.5 suggests passive scum not really giving a damn who got lynched day 1. So it suggests Taylor's town. It could just be scum were scrambling for a counter and no one could decide though until Pickaxe Pete sprung up.
Based on the end of day 1, I'd be looking to flip Taylor if we had an extra lynch to spare. We don't though. Plus Taylor hasn't done anything outright scummy today. That being said, I am concerned. Especially given how hard Taylor defended Mara yesterday.
Day 2
If Taylor Swift's team is scum, they have a clear preference for Plusjoyed over Nosferatu. Plusjoyed was on Taylor most of yesterday and was mislynched. Taylor pushing Nos (despite me disagreeing with this read) is a good look for Taylor and not survivalistic. Based on the staticness of the wagons Day 2 after the DGB wagon crumbled, I would say scum didn't have a preference unless it was DGB. I don't think DGB is scum though because of the fact we had two failures and only two nights where something bad could have happened.
Day 3
If my reads so far are correct, then 3.4 Glitch was completely town but for Marashu. That leaves scum looking for another wagon, which they repush Nosferatu again. 3.5 Taylor abandons the wagon on Glitch because she's pissed off with me for pushing Marashu. This creates an all town wagon on me because I refused to push either of the top two wagons again.
3.6 Taylor DGB and I all compromise, which would be a threat but we compromised on town. This allows us to recalibrate and say that scum were likely sitting back but doesn't encourage us working together. That explains why the three of us are alive in lylo.
I'm going to want a Marashu lynch, which Taylor won't do or a Glitch lynch, which DGB won't do. Taylor wants Nos, which I won't do.
That means I have to find the last scum and hope Taylor and DGB jump on, which means Gypyx but I don't think that is going to fly with Taylor or DGB.
So we're at an impasse where someone town won't lynch scum.
dgb i initally had a townread on glitch too, but im more confident in titus!scum atm, and they cant both be town. work with us here. glitch has some sketchy posts. the game doesnt make sense with glitch!town
In post 1828, Tayl0r Swift wrote:dgb i initally had a townread on glitch too, but im more confident in titus!scum atm, and they cant both be town. work with us here. glitch has some sketchy posts. the game doesnt make sense with glitch!town
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Sorry, I was pretty busy and ended up neglecting the game. The reads I gave earlier were based on what I remembered and skimming, more than an in-depth read through of the game. D3 I was relying on others players, and I think it shows. So even through my D3 play suffered for it, now that we're in ExeLo (I'm not willing to risk that we aren't), I'm ready to approach this fresh. So it's time to wax my skis and get moving!
@Titus I don't know if you're using your own copy, but I notice you have Vecna coloured in for your VCA but don't have Noraa coloured in as of VC 2.6.
I'm on board with Gypyx's reactions to D4. I really do think that shelly passed which is why we got the gladiate. And if two had already failed and a third went to trial, wouldn't it automatically go to maximum failure, and the 3rd trial would be a pass? Or am I reading this wrong:
In post 0, Not Known 15 wrote:Trials interrupted by a Maximum Failure count as Pass for win conditions.
@DGB if scum!Titus and scum!Nos, would Titus be working so hard (and so blatantly) to defend Nos?
In post 1833, Marashu wrote:@DGB if scum!Titus and scum!Nos, would Titus be working so hard (and so blatantly) to defend Nos?
The payoff of three night kills was worth it.
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In post 1809, Glitch wrote:Wtf is even happening in this game? That thread lock was freaking long and we don't get Vecna and Noraa's flip???
I am so confused. Gypyx how do you know we are in elo? We don't know wtf is happening and going on. This is kinda bullshit. It's been so long since I've played this game I forgot who I'm reading which way!
I don't even know where to start. Maybe with Titus for pushing that Pete wagon so hard. Idek
In post 0, Not Known 15 wrote:This game starts with 12 Vanilla Townies and 3 Mafia Goons.
Reading OP's can be useful y'know
Noraa and Vecna flipping is a consequence of maximum failure, this tells us that town succeeded in one trial, and tell me if there is another possibility, but the D2 gladiate seems like the obvious answer for which trial was a success
I'll have to read who pushed against voting in that gladiate, do we vote nosferatu?
I forgot about the setup being open my bad. Night was hella long and my focus has been elsewhere. But I don't understand why maximum failure is a result of town succeeding in one trial and why either of the trials influence last night. Why do they connect? Is it just speculation?
More likely, all three trials failed, that would be my definition of MAXIMUM failure.
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In post 1809, Glitch wrote:Wtf is even happening in this game? That thread lock was freaking long and we don't get Vecna and Noraa's flip???
I am so confused. Gypyx how do you know we are in elo? We don't know wtf is happening and going on. This is kinda bullshit. It's been so long since I've played this game I forgot who I'm reading which way!
I don't even know where to start. Maybe with Titus for pushing that Pete wagon so hard. Idek
Ok. This is fake as fuck.
1) Mod setup is confirmed as three scum.
2) Maximum failure does not suggests either was town. We treat this as exlo but be pleasantly surprised if wrong.
3) The punctuation is melodramatic.
4) Night wasn't that long to forget your reads.
5) This game is not mechanically complicated.
6) Both Pete and Noraa were likely town. The wagon I pushed was Marashu yesterday.
It's not fake it's fed up. I really am regretting replacing into this game because I am thoroughly not enjoying the setup and mystery. I'm not frustrated with the mod or anything and I'm not trying to condescend or belittle the design or this set up, this just really isnt my kind of game and I should have done better due diligence before joining and seen that it was gonna be a game with little information and lots of hidden mechanics. It's frustrating me and I'm trying to not feel over it.
1. See above post.
2. Yes, which is why I asked Gypyx why he "knows" we are in elo when two dead aren't flipped.
3. I'm a dramatic person.
4. Night felt freaking forever to me. I'm gonna check but it was like 4 irl days.
5. Strongly disagree. Trials. Gladiate. No reveal upon death.
6. k
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I'm trying to figure out what's going on here Titus; please advise. This could be used by scum to totally frame you of you're town but I feel like there's probably a simple answer from your perspective I'm just not putting together.
What Titus is saying is that your overlooking of 1 and 2 makes you scum.
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"She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions." - Morning Tweet
I can understand why overlooking #1 makes me sus, that's fine. But I just wasn't thinking about setup. I was miffed with the long damn night, then it was finally over and I was excited to be back in game and then I come back to 2 dead no reveal. Tf? I'm not thinking about setup. Titus herself said when I replaced in the I town told by not knowing the setup. Now forgetting about it after 4 days away from the game makes me scum? Nah.
In post 1833, Marashu wrote:@DGB if scum!Titus and scum!Nos, would Titus be working so hard (and so blatantly) to defend Nos?
In my only game with scum Titus her strategy is less to defend her partner our right but more to persuade the town to SR elsewhere more. So not to make Nos look more townie but to make someone else (you yesterday, me today) look more scummy thereby drawing votes away from them.
I'm would not rule out {Titus + Nos + ???} at this point.
In post 1844, Glitch wrote:In my only game with scum Titus her strategy is less to defend her partner our right but more to persuade the town to SR elsewhere more.
That's exactly what she did with Nosferatu.
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"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
"She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions." - Morning Tweet
In post 1833, Marashu wrote:@DGB if scum!Titus and scum!Nos, would Titus be working so hard (and so blatantly) to defend Nos?
In my only game with scum Titus her strategy is less to defend her partner our right but more to persuade the town to SR elsewhere more. So not to make Nos look more townie but to make someone else (you yesterday, me today) look more scummy thereby drawing votes away from them.
I'm would not rule out {Titus + Nos + ???} at this point.
Nos was the one who originally said that it was an all-town gladiate. Now Titus is starting to say the same thing. I'm not sure how the mechanic works but I'm feeling like scum is trying to hide behind it. Gypyx was the one who proposed that the number of town/scum was dependent on the result of the trial in 636 and people agreed on it, but if it's wrong and the gladiate itself was the reward, and nothing would have happened on a fail (which is what I'm currently thinking), then it becomes very appealing to scum to use that. I don't see how Nos saying that it's an all-town gladiate benefits town but it could be beneficial to scum.
Titus might be saying it was all-town now to keep us from looking too deeply at D2, or too closely at Nos. Or it could be her digging in her heels - I think it would make more sense for scum!Titus to be agreeing with Nos' stance on D2 rather than picking it up on D4.
Oh, and because it was a bit ambiguous in my last post, I do think Gypyx is town. I think he's shown the right amount of lost-but-trying-to-figure-things-out where it comes to the mechanics, and 1092 makes me think he's town for meta reasons (specifically because he appears to be picking up scumhunting techniques from previous games I've been in with him).
