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[shellyc]

anyway shelly is making my gut machine go "???" because she's both (1) giving me scummy vibes of changing reads illogically/posturing/having "fake" posts and (2) reminding me of 2169 where they were town

I have not changed any of my reads in this whole entire game and you probably underestimate how terrible my towngame is

[shellyc]

Oh shelly made 2 readlists interesting
Yeah seems like okay stuff, i like the effort
"Shelly town guys"
OMG YOU CAN'T TOWNLEAN SOMEONE FOR MAKING READLISTS GYPIWX OUTED SXUMFUCK GUYS

i do not consider making a readslist effort at all and most of all, I only made 1 readslist and I didn't even do any isos and blurted out my tonereads...

and also, you stated that it was because of "structure", not "effort"

[Gypyx]

Well, if you're just gonna poke at me for misusing words don't mind if i ditch the conversation

[shellyc]

Well, if you're just gonna poke at me for misusing words don't mind if i ditch the conversation

structure and effort are two different things...

you literally had two different explanations for your TR on me.

[Gypyx]

Yes of course, one word, with similar meaning, in a post writing my mindset that i made in about 20 seconds, this is cleary a scumslip showing that i actually thought that shelly is doing effort with the readlist and is town, but i lied and told y'all that it was actually the structure

[Datisi]

anyway shelly is making my gut machine go "???" because she's both (1) giving me scummy vibes of changing reads illogically/posturing/having "fake" posts and (2) reminding me of 2169 where they were town

I have not changed any of my reads in this whole entire game and you probably underestimate how terrible my towngame is

idk i got a bad vibe from you townleaning me for tone then accusing me of white knighting because i was townleaning too many people

[shellyc]

anyway shelly is making my gut machine go "???" because she's both (1) giving me scummy vibes of changing reads illogically/posturing/having "fake" posts and (2) reminding me of 2169 where they were town

I have not changed any of my reads in this whole entire game and you probably underestimate how terrible my towngame is

idk i got a bad vibe from you townleaning me for tone then accusing me of white knighting because i was townleaning too many people

in my mafia dictionary WK is a term for town pocketing so...

that was also not very serious

[Datisi]

in my mafia dictionary WK is a term for town pocketing so...

that was also not very serious

that word does not mean that in everyone else's mafia dictionary

[innocentvillager]

Is it the fact that it looks like she is putting effort in towny or is it specifically like, the format of that post

Like what distinguishes the effort in formatting from general effort or is there no distinction at all and it’s all towny?

why do you constantly answer the jokey parts first and not this

I think I want to return to this at some point despite it being a bit of a stretch here, just noting for now

[shellyc]

that word does not mean that in everyone else's mafia dictionary

*searches up wiki*
a tactic used to subconsciously become perceived as less of a threat by another player. While this is usually done by scum, Townies have been known to do this as well.

[shellyc]

I think I want to return to this at some point despite it being a bit of a stretch here, just noting for now

do you think it's AI aorn?

I think answering the jokey parts before the AI parts is something I subconsciously do as scum, tbh.
Answering AI parts first is a good way to get more attention.

[innocentvillager]

More than the readslist thing itself, I don’t like gypyx’s reaction to getting fos’d. At no point since we started jumping on him for the readslist townlean did do anything but stubbornly defend his read and make sarcastic comments about how he’s caught scum for that. It feels a bit like defensive scum getting accused for the wrong reasons.

VOTE: Gypyx

[innocentvillager]

I think I want to return to this at some point despite it being a bit of a stretch here, just noting for now

do you think it's AI aorn?

I think answering the jokey parts before the AI parts is something I subconsciously do as scum, tbh.
Answering AI parts first is a good way to get more attention.

I think there is potentially like, a deflectiony mindset there yeah, not sure how to put it into words

[innocentvillager]

interestingly enough i'm still leaning +town on gypyx because of tone, posts like 60

I liked this too I guess but I still feel pretty meh about his later posting

Do you still think gypyx is town?

[Gypyx]

More than the readslist thing itself, I don’t like gypyx’s reaction to getting fos’d. At no point since we started jumping on him for the readslist townlean did do anything but stubbornly defend his read and make sarcastic comments about how he’s caught scum for that. It feels a bit like defensive scum getting accused for the wrong reasons.

VOTE: Gypyx

The thing is that... what am I even supposed to do, I get a read that's bad / illogical, if i defend it i'm scum for stubbornly defending that read, and if I drop that read i'm scum for being indecisive and not really having a direction

You see the problem? There's no good option for me, a bad read will get me scumread even though i'm just trying to fucking figure out the game

And getting caugth for the wrong reasons is also a thing that happens for town except every reason is a wrong reason

Sorry, I needed that venting tbh

[shellyc]

The thing is that... what am I even supposed to do, I get a read that's bad / illogical, if i defend it i'm scum for stubbornly defending that read, and if I drop that read i'm scum for being indecisive and not really having a direction

You see the problem? There's no good option for me, a bad read will get me scumread even though i'm just trying to fucking figure out the game

And getting caugth for the wrong reasons is also a thing that happens for town except every reason is a wrong reason

why did you even post the bad/illogical post in the first place though?

[Gypyx]

Because i thought it wasn't bad

[shellyc]

Because i thought it wasn't bad

why did you think its bad now when people start pushing you for it?

so you thought giving readslist was townie first and changed mind cause people disagreed?

[innocentvillager]

Gypyx, i see your concerns. My thing is that I think the stubbornness for defending the read vehemently when everyone else seems to disagree with it being an AI thing leans towards a scum mindset. Partly because I think town is more likely to admit there could be some merit to what others are saying.

It also feels like you don’t really care about anything right now about reading the people pushing you, only defending against the push with sarcasm in an attempt to laugh it off.

Can this come from town!you? I think so? But I still see 139 as still fitting in with the scum!you narrative. I think scum!you gets frustrated in this spot too that you’re getting so much flak for this as well

[Gypyx]

@shelly

Well, they kinda explained why readlists aren't AI, and you insist that's within your scum range so... yeah?

[innocentvillager]

I guess I’m just kind of confused now. It feels like you’re overreacting to what you just admitted was a “bad read”. Like you’re getting upset and combative about the case on you but now you’re finally admitting the read is bad/illogical

[Gypyx]

Gypyx, i see your concerns. My thing is that I think the stubbornness for defending the read vehemently when everyone else seems to disagree with it being an AI thing leans towards a scum mindset. Partly because I think town is more likely to admit there could be some merit to what others are saying.

It also feels like you don’t really care about anything right now about reading the people pushing you, only defending against the push with sarcasm in an attempt to laugh it off.

Can this come from town!you? I think so? But I still see 139 as still fitting in with the scum!you narrative. I think scum!you gets frustrated in this spot too that you’re getting so much flak for this as well

Well, last time something like this happened i admitted that the read was bad and promptly got pushed even more so... (although there were other reasons too but you see the problem)

I kinda tried to read the peoples pushing me, but falling back on the defensive is what i instinctively do

[Gypyx]

I guess I’m just kind of confused now. It feels like you’re overreacting to what you just admitted was a “bad read”. Like you’re getting upset and combative about the case on you but now you’re finally admitting the read is bad/illogical

Well, i was getting annoyed / angry, trying to justify me getting the read wasn't helping at all so i just took a breath, calmed down and tried to be a little bit more rational, i can see where your confusion is coming from

[Ydrasse]

hi everyone! this is a good playerlist

i’m very tired and skimmed this and have to go to work so i won’t be active for a little longer BUT i’ve a town read on iv; his line of questioning so far this game reminds me a lot of 2163 where he was town

[Ydrasse]

also shelly seems ~different~ this game but not in a way that makes me like, instinctually think she’s one alignment or the other; maybe it’s recently that we played together and i’m biased but i don’t feel the same spark in her play that’s normally there.

@shelly: are you trying to play a little different to how you normally do this game?