Ok, this is where I am right now.
Killing mafia is optimal, for both the town and all other scum factions. The other scum probably don't care too much about eliminating the correct person, which is why you might get quick wagons, in abstract. This makes it awkward to read alignments of people on the wagon generally, as the other scum also want to kill mafia, but it's balanced by the fact by the fact that the scum don't care about hitting town. So the distinguishing factor is how much people actually care about hitting town, today.
It can't be redcardinal, makes no sense, and it's unlikely to be herta, I think. Murdercat is playing well but he's not in the right place on the wagons to make it unlikely he's mafia. Echo is in a similar boat, but was in a better position on the wagon.
I think there are good reasons to think it's plusjoy.
#364-366,#370.#964 from shelly/italiano are odd interactions,
#1274 from plusjoy.
In post 1520, iamausername wrote:i know that much the same can be said of plusJOYED, but it feels extremely off to me how easily that wagon got to E-1 compared to the resistance there has been to any attempt to put pressure on NPOM throughout the game. like, both of them are openly not giving a shit about the game, so why is it that only one of them is being called out for it by anyone besides the confirmed town player?
I do agree with this. Not so much that NPOM requires more pressure (beacause I don't really know what that would achieve) but more that this is quick.
My concern is that if we go Plusjoy today based on mafia associations and we're wrong we've basically spent the day chasing a false lead. I think we could stand to do a bit more general reads about scumminess and odd behaviour, possibly even ignoring the mafia connection aspect, then bring that back in later.
