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[Iconeum]

Tomorrow ill do that

[Datisi]

ahahahaha holy shit where do i start

there is at least one scum shitpushing me right now, mark my fucking words, maybe even both of them

[shellyc]

651 lamisty scumpost imo.

datisi you still haven't answered my questions and have opted to shade me, which is scummy

[Datisi]

anyways here's where I'm at, daddisi. for one, i kind of doubt that "you are not able to sort me" just because I am not giving every single read and explaining them all.

I have enough content for you to have at least some opinion on me

; it seems like many of the other players have one of me. if I feel it's relevant and helpful I'll probably say something or respond.

okay so the little relevant content that you have produced so far is (1) pushing gypyx, (2) that random-ass reads where georgebailey was town because ??? and (3) your shitfight with me, and so far i have formed an opinion about all of them

(1) - i have already said that i liked the way you called out gypyx for townreading shelly based on shaky reasoning. okay. that was +town. (also to note that one of my questions that you are still evading is about your gypyx push and the way you kinda quieted down for no real reason, which is nagl, but ooookayyyyy)
(2) - you dismissed it as "shading", but i've clearly said why i disliked it: it's a random-ass read that will convince nobody and that you can easily walk back from if needed, *and* you're avoiding stepping on any toes by making a read that's actually about someone who is, y'know, *present* in the game?
(3) - i have a flaw that i automatically read all shitfights / people being asses to me as town. which is why i'm consciously trying to see it as NAI. if i squnt, i can see where you're going with this point but you're plainly ignoring the other points

and guess what, i wasn't satisfied just sorting you from *that little* amount of content so i wanted more. i don't need you to explain each and every read. but like, you explained *one* with an explanation that can easily be thrown away.

pedit: typing isn't instantaneous shelly, but thanks for the shade, the sun sure is bright today

[Datisi]

but more importantly just to clarify when I say "it doesn't feel like you're sorting me" I'm more referring to "trying to sort me" not "able to successfully sort me". Sorry if I'm starting to sound like a broken record but as I've said before I didn't like the way you kept pushing pretty old questions that I didn't think were relevant to the gamestate any longer, then shading me indirectly about something completely different while talking to ico was pretty concerning.

again, i have *tried to sort you* on what content you've produced, but you'll ignore that at the moment, while in the same breath saying that i'm shading you while talking to ico which is *gasp* sorting you based on your different actions! like, what does "sorting" even mean to you?

[shellyc]

IV has expressed reads on everyone in the game despite them not being really in-depth

i think dats making it top priority for iv to make content is weird, why iv and not. any other slot like mini/staarling.

[Datisi]

actually, let's just take care of this: do you still want me to answer those two questions? the one about the ico meme and the one about gypyx from back then? if you say yes, I also want you to tell me exactly what you were looking for, how that would help sort me, and your opinion on how my response (when I give it) really informs your read on me. like I want to know why it was so important those questions were answered, especially because it doesn't seem like you're admitting that you don't care about the questions anymore when I brought up even town!you could just be being stubborn. there were questions like, "how do you feel about X, I'm concerned you didn't get a read here, can you give your thoughts" etc. that would've made more sense to push if you were really concerned that my "only takeaways" from my random-order skim through (also, how can you even reasonably strongly scumread my weird order skimthrough producing two townreads. and yes I said reasonably strongly scumread because this is what YOU indicated in that post where you bolded stuff from two quote idr exact post #).

yes. yes i do want the answers to those questions. and my play doesn't work like that. i don't ask every single question with "ok if they respond X they're +town and if they respond Y they're +scum" in mind. i scattergun, ask a bunch of things that i know *might* be useful to me and *might* inspire me to form a read somewhere, and sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. it's important because i don't understand why you were scumleaning ico or why you were laying off of gypyx when you were and answers to those will maybe help me see if you have a consistent thought process or you're bullshitting reads. simple as that.

i can link you to a game where scum was pushing town!me for doing this exact thing if you want (: i'm getting deja vu myself here

sure, maybe those questions make more sense "to you", but it's not just about the reads you formed or didn't form in that moment, it's about looking at your reads across the game. (and i kinda wrote about it in the above posts, but it's because you were gone for a while so i'd expect you to have Actual Thoughts on things that are happening, and having just one random townread on a person who isn't posting is lowkey lazy, not wanting to go against anyone, *and* easy to walk back from, which is behaviour often seen in scum!)

[Datisi]

i haven't really been paying attention to your "attempts to sort others" tbh. My vote on you is the vote on you because of our interactions which I obviously feel best about and have noticed the most. Does that tunnel me a little bit? maybe, especially since somehow no one feels the same way I do about you about not trying to sort me? But then again no one sees our interactions quite as vividly as I do just as I don't see your interactions with others as vividly either. so I'm somewhat conflicted but i feel ~ok just sitting here with my vote on you for now

well you obviously haven't been paying attention to my attempts to sort you either, but ok

VOTE: innocentvillager

[Datisi]

I ask datisi on their iv read basically, then dats starts rambling on about how my questions arent being related and how scummy I am, which is shading me instead of answering my questions, which is pushing an agenda play basically.

holy shit lmao
i answered your question about my read on iv, tell me pretty please, what are these posts, chopped liver? like, because i didn't quote @shelly "hey here's the answer to your question about my iv read" in the first post, it doesn't count?

iv - what even. fuck if i know. my first thought is to townbin people being purposefully difficult with me, becuase ~what is the scum motivation behind that~, and i got burned enough times by that.

and why are you acting as if i'm scumreading iv because of the shitfight?

I assumed you would but do you have a read on iv based on the shitfight then

no

i'm making a conscious effort to read all shitfights and people lowkey being asses as strictly NAI because i've been burned by loltownbinning that way too much

and it's not shading you, it's outright trying to get you executed, and stop twisting events around
i wasn't calling out your "questions being unrelated", i was calling out *a single question* that was connecting two things (my and ico's reads) which have *nothing to do with each other* to then further the push on me when it was clearly bad faith

which you then called "projection of a projection" when clearly the only person projecting anything in that exchange was you projecting your expectations of my play on me (or pretending to to get me executed, probably that tbf)

[Datisi]

same thing happens with iv. which is really +scumpoints imo. and there's no effort to solve iv, only shading iv by saying that iv isn't fleshing out their reads, which feels really insincere

as we have established in the above posts, i've been trying to sort iv, despite him making it a fucking struggle, so this is blatantly false

[Datisi]

IV has expressed reads on everyone in the game despite them not being really in-depth

i think dats making it top priority for iv to make content is weird, why iv and not. any other slot like mini/staarling.

when, on the last page? like even that is false because his reads on one third (one third!) of the game (gypyx/mini/shelly) are "eh/i don't care" but for the sake of argument, since that was after i started calling him out, where did he express reads on the entire game prior to that?

i've been saying mini is scummy and wanting more content from her since her first batch of posting, but i don't exactly like pushing people when they're in the hospital

staarling's posts/takes aren't like, blatantly scummy, she's making content, and also i have? like i asked her about her reads and said i wished she posted more? so what's your point here?

[shellyc]

UNVOTE: Datisi
basically the way I like to get reads is by pushing people and seeing what happens. I did that with datisi in mini normal 2175.
I read dats-iv into dats basically pushing iv with an agenda and shading at first.
so I really feel that titanic struggle to prove yourself as town. and I don't think this is AtE as well, it's coming off as really genuine, and feels like datisi under my pressure is still trying to get something out of iv, and this is more like questioning and I can see where datisi is trying to sort iv now with iv being the obtuse one. which I like.
kinda wanna go back on gypyx actually

[shellyc]

answering rest of those questions tmr probably I wasted too much brainpower on sorting dats

[innocentvillager]

i don’t really want to get into a wall war, this isn’t what I signed up for so I’m not gonna respond to everything anymore

Daddisi, I see you’ve transitioned into voting me. I feel like I was just in “oh god I don’t know” territory or whatever. Like how did my last wall somehow go from just unclear antagonism to scum antagonism. Did you suddenly get the deja vu flashback to that one game you’re referencing?

Also just to clarify I never said you didn’t have opinions on me, you were the one who said you “were not able to sort me” so maybe I misinterpreted.

[innocentvillager]

so much so that, it seems like you’ve hopped off shelly, who was previously your top scumread.

[innocentvillager]

i haven't really been paying attention to your "attempts to sort others" tbh. My vote on you is the vote on you because of our interactions which I obviously feel best about and have noticed the most. Does that tunnel me a little bit? maybe, especially since somehow no one feels the same way I do about you about not trying to sort me? But then again no one sees our interactions quite as vividly as I do just as I don't see your interactions with others as vividly either. so I'm somewhat conflicted but i feel ~ok just sitting here with my vote on you for now

well you obviously haven't been paying attention to my attempts to sort you either, but ok

VOTE: iv

I’m sorry if I can’t like read your mind or know exactly your playstyle or how you scumhunt. Those things stuck out to me and actually your explanations seem somewhat reasonable but I still get a weird feeling. Idk

[innocentvillager]

ahahahaha holy shit where do i start

there is at least one scum shitpushing me right now, mark my fucking words, maybe even both of them

also, why is it scum shitpushing you here? just wondering how you necessarily get to this conclusion. are the independent pushes from us independently likely to be scum in your eyes or is there something about the gamestate that combines these somehow

[Sirius9121]

Official Vote Count

innocentvillager

(2): Staarling, Datisi

GeorgeBailey

(2): Gypyx, Iconeum

shellyc

(1): Ydrasse

MiniMegabyte

(1): GeorgeBailey

Datisi

(1): innocentvillager

Not Voting

(2): shellyc, MiniMegabyte

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-11-03 20:10:00)

[Datisi]

so I really feel that titanic struggle to prove yourself as town. and I don't think this is AtE as well, it's coming off as really genuine, and feels like datisi under my pressure is still trying to get something out of iv, and this is more like questioning and I can see where datisi is trying to sort iv now

with iv being the obtuse one

. which I like.

so what's your read on iv now then?

[Datisi]

Daddisi, I see you’ve transitioned into voting me. I feel like I was just in “oh god I don’t know” territory or whatever. Like how did my last wall somehow go from just unclear antagonism to scum antagonism. Did you suddenly get the deja vu flashback to that one game you’re referencing?

Also just to clarify I never said you didn’t have opinions on me, you were the one who said you “were not able to sort me” so maybe I misinterpreted.

i have literally spent some 4 posts explaining my problems with your last wall, aka post 641.

you said you were referring to "

trying

to sort [you]".

i'm still scumreading shelly, if in any case that's what you're wondering and you want to know my read there.

I’m sorry if I can’t like read your mind or know exactly your playstyle or how you scumhunt. Those things stuck out to me and actually your explanations seem somewhat reasonable but I still get a weird feeling. Idk

ok, but why didn't you humour me, answer my questions, and see whether i'm going anywhere or using them as opposed to start acting the way you did, then start sussing me for "not trying to sort you"? like you pre-emptively decided because those questions aren't useful to you, they must not be useful to me.

also, why is it scum shitpushing you here? just wondering how you necessarily get to this conclusion. are the independent pushes from us independently likely to be scum in your eyes or is there something about the gamestate that combines these somehow

they're independent, i very very rarely to never do actual pre-flip on day one. both of your pushes are independently scummy to me, yes.

[Datisi]

Datisi (2): innocentvillager, Datisi

@mod, i'm not voting myself, i'm voting iv

btw, if you put "innocentvillager (replaces iv)" under living players in the votecounter settings in the OP, it'll start counting that nickname correctly too

[Staarling]

innocent villager seemed excited to play with Datisi at the start of this so i don't get why he looks unhappy to play with him now

@Datisi: i like Mini because she was asking a lot of questions and trying to figure everything out

[Staarling]

it seems mean to pretend to vote and push someone like that, shelly :<

[innocentvillager]

this was a while ago but ill do my best to recreate what i was thinking. i still want you to talk about my response and how it helps you read me, not just then, but even now because you still want the answer

Iconeum - scumlean the offhanded town comments seem pretty lamisty

I wouldn’t have scumleaned this reaction but Saudade is rubbing off on me

why does that reaction make you scumlean ico?

ico posted this meme in response to shelly calling him lamisty. From what I understand one of saudade's big tells early game at least from the two games i played with town!him is that when people are deflectiony to these early accusations in an attempt to seem like they don't care. I felt that this reaction somewhat fell into that category. You modded 2163 and saw how he used it to catch Kerset early. He caught me early as scum in 2160 with this tell as well, so I've seen a 2/2 success rate for finding scum with this tell which is incredibly high even with small sample size given the base rate should be 25%.

But at the same time, I know it's not fun as either alignment to be under fire like this (and people forget this is a game) so if there's nothing really scummy yet I'm fine with backing down for now

i'm confused by this. didn't you say you found gypyx's reaction there scummy? why are you now fine backing down "if there's nothing really scummy there"?

i think we agreed that gypyx's 60 tonally seemed somewhat towny and after questioning him I got a better sense of his thought process on those reads. i remember having him as like "null but watch this slot" which, ironically I didn't really end up doing much of between skimming catchups and shitfighting with you. i also felt that there wasn't much more to be gained from that specific interaction, it had run its course by then, so i didn't see a strong reason to keep pushing it

[innocentvillager]

sure, maybe those questions make more sense "to you", but it's not just about the reads you formed or didn't form in that moment, it's about looking at your reads across the game. (and i kinda wrote about it in the above posts, but it's because you were gone for a while so i'd expect you to have Actual Thoughts on things that are happening, and having just one random townread on a person who isn't posting is lowkey lazy, not wanting to go against anyone, *and* easy to walk back from, which is behaviour often seen in scum!)

of the "reasons" you said you gave in respond to my wall I really only saw this? which you've already said you had reservations about long before my wallpost, which was still when you were "null" on me

like your read progression on me still feels weird

and i had two townreads not one from my brief skim, the other was ydrasse but honestly still weird that you're pushing a one sentence catchup post where i say two townreads

i thought the georgebailey one was more important to mention also because I imagined that no one would've gotten the read I had from that. there is information to be gained outside of just the posts themselves that people tend to write off as NAI when I personally at least believe they are more indicative than they seem. one recent example, look at Open 788 and ctrl-f "spicer" in my ISO. i correctly pegged them as town despite their whole iso being a one-liner and everyone was like "wtf are you talking about iv". I'm not saying that I'm right, it's just something that I notice.

and also, I have a hard time believing you think I, of all people in this game, am scum for "not wanting to go against anyone". Am i being lazy this game? yeah, i am, is that scum indicative for me, maybe. and I really should stop responding to your walls and iso some other players but like... idk we keep getting into discussions and i currently feel the least good about you anyway.