Open 799 Chosen Mafia (Game Over)

[NorwegianboyEE]

UwU
VOTE: DkKoba

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i was scum here i wouldn't have selected you. Just sayin.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i was scum here i wouldn't have selected you. Just sayin.

genuine question - why?

Cus i don't think you would have been my number 1 threat. Assuming SvT.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

Essentially just Dkkoba cus they kicked my ass in a previous cult game and they're pretty good at pushing their reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

imma be real with i was drunk off my ass and was like... NORWEE CULT LEADER LOL and memed it into a real read

Q_Q

[NorwegianboyEE]

Eliminate all uwuers
VOTE: Norwegian

HEWWWOOO UwU
OwO

[NorwegianboyEE]

How long did it take you to think up that vote Italiano

[NorwegianboyEE]

oh...i just re-read the setup, it isn't what i thought at all.

I thought scum chose the chosen townies.

hmm...tactical retreat.

Hmm, either you're dumbtelling or that's just a dirty trick.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh i'm leaning on it being a dumbtell. Given my extensive knowledge of your playstyle.

[NorwegianboyEE]

oh...i just re-read the setup, it isn't what i thought at all.

I thought scum chose the chosen townies.

hmm...tactical retreat.

Hmm, either you're dumbtelling or that's just a dirty trick.

lol i'm actually wondering if you made the same mistake as me, based on your initial answer?

Nah, i was fully aware scum puts in a veto.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

Essentially

just

Dkkoba cus they kicked my ass in a previous cult game and they're pretty good at pushing their reads.

the word "just" implied you could've picked more than 1 perhaps

No it implies that i don't think i would have chosen anyone else on this playerlist.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I reckon scum-Norweg would hate the idea of having to day-elim me, knowing that i almost never get day-elimmed.

Actually that sounds kinda fun.

[NorwegianboyEE]

To answer the question being passed around, I don't know who I would veto because I don't have extensive enough experience with anyone here to describe someone as "very good at towntelling" (which would be my top criterion since I would veto someone I expected to be unlynchable) and would have had to do some meta-diving, as someone else said.

It's a good answer, but copying what Outworld said. So no towncred for you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dumbtell twice, that's good old BM.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh, i did think "yeah BM could totally fake that dumb tell" but i don't think scum!BM would intentionally dumb tell TWICE.
So yeah, their my first townread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You mean it can go lower?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Weird, sure, but what if anything do you make of it?

Just weird for now. Probably would call it scummy or townie in the original thought if I was leaning one way for the other.

Come on, none of that weaksauce shit.
Is it townie or scummy? If you don't know, why use a post on just saying: "it's weird".

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: ItalianoVD (E-2)

Did you find their entrance scummy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Stop...

[NorwegianboyEE]

...Not hammertime because i am taking this game seriously and lolhammering is -EV town wincon and should be avoided.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, my partner is Black Mage.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ops. Battle Mage*
(Omg rascist)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh no. How could you!
RIP Italian.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you encouraging hammer on a fast forming wagon in RVS.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What the fuck.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I agree that i look like obvious scum here, i thought it was Umlaut and i'd have to fight them today. So that kill really took me by surprise.
But honestly, i've never played with Italiano before, and even though i got some slight pings on them from the beginning. An fast growing wagon like that felt like bad news to me so i didn't want someone to immediately hammer. Sure they flipped scum, but 9 times out of 10 a wagon like that would flip town and that's why i opposed it.
I also agree that Midwaybear seems town so that means it had to be someone in the wagon on scum. And they killed outside potentially because of the reasons Iamusername has stated.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am a teensy bit paranoid Dkkoba is big braining everything. But it could just be someone with slightly fake posts like Outworld. I wanna see their posts before i place votes though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ItalianoVD - 5 (benhalkum, OutWorldER, iamausername, DkKoba, Battle Mage)

I think it's probably just an early busser tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just realized i can’t annoy Umlaut with my UwU’s anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's either Ben or Username, I think. And Username looks to be scumhunting pretty genuinely to me so PoE tells me to vote Ben.

Unless both BM and Dkkoba are chosen townies, Umlaut seems like such a weird kill though. Although if Ben was scum i can’t really see who else they’d kill either so maybe it actually does make sense...?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I actually wasn't thinking that at all coming into today. You'd be towards the bottom of the list of people I'd flip.

Oh yeah i probably should have clarified. I meant when looking VC’s i seem scummy. Cus i voted same person as scul and opposed their hammer. (Although Dkkoba wasn’t an serious vote)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do like the idea of an world where Benhalkum puts in an vote on their teammate thinking "aha, that’ll be good for distancing later!" and then suddenly Italiano is hammered.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh yeah. My first play with Benhalkum was a game where he barely did anything so i shot them in the face with a vig shot and they flipped town.
That’s all my meta.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Never voting Battle Mage. Dkkoba, Midwaybear.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like if Outworld is town then that makes IamUsername scum.
While Benhalkum is just this unspicy inactive nub that probably wouldn’t make an kill like Umlaut.
So vote in Outworld/Username for the solve i think?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Does Iamusername always post very few but highly condensed posts as town? I just noticed his ISO only has like 2 posts but they are very information heavy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not sure I agree with that because Username is also the one who immediately started pushing me.

I'd think, if he were scum, he'd be aware of the position he's in and wouldn't push me like that immediately.

But that could also mean they had been thinking about who they would be voting for quite a time and had it all ready for daystart.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norweg, why are you so fond of Midway again?

Mostly because Dkkoba vouched for them.
They also said they were going to hammer Italiano, but then again. When thinking about it now, that isn't really all that townie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Weird that BM already supposedly dumbtold once and didn't even bother to understand the setup.

This post pretty bad actually.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd like Italiano to claim his role first.

This is the post Dkkoba townread them for i think.
@Dkkoba can you go into detail of your Midway read now? Do you still stand by your townread of them?

[NorwegianboyEE]

We were just lucky that we speedwagoned scum. If Italiano was actually town, I think he wouldn't have been hammered. His reaction was pretty bad.
Umlaut is a weird kill yeah.

@Midway
What about Italiano's reaction was "pretty bad"? Can you give pointers?

[NorwegianboyEE]

dkkoba townread midwaybear for making a joke, and that's the basis for your own townread?

Yeah sorry, i'm just getting into the groove for this. If y'all didn't hammer so fast maybe my reads would be more grounded.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How is lol hammering a simple mistake? What?
Also, me asking you to claim was a complete joke.

its also town in a way i can explain if im alive d2.

This clearly shows Dkkoba had a reason for townreading it though, that's why i'm asking them about it here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Interesting progression

Interesting in what way?
Are you making a statement here or what?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Italiano wasn't reacting like a town. Town would probably be more concerned and/or annoyed at being put at L-1 so quickly. If he had reacted with either of these, I would have probably backed away. Instead, he just ignored everything. To me, it was like Italiano was doing something he thought would be percieved as townie when in reality it wasn't.

Let's be honest here. Most town would not go into full panic fight or flight mode at being put at E-1 in freaking RVS.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do that all the time Midway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You should vo-

[NorwegianboyEE]

te... for scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can vote Outworld i guess.
Dkkoba ur not really leaving much room for discussion here so idk what to say.
What’s your read on me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Good gooood... let the doubt run through you...

[NorwegianboyEE]

hewwo?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Benhalkum who tf is scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Agreed. We have 8 days. Let’s get some reads from all those players that hasn’t done anything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was expecting very little from Benhalkum, but am somehow still left disappointed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm bored. Dkkoba, should i lolhammer?

[NorwegianboyEE]

IS ANYONE ALIVE?

[NorwegianboyEE]

whats the fastest town win on this site?

Possibly my awesome performance here:
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82538

[NorwegianboyEE]

It was Election Day yesterday and stuff is still happening to us yanks so give some of us a hot minute.

No. How dare you believe your country's politics matter more than mine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Must...resist...hammer....

[NorwegianboyEE]

Outworld i think your scumread is not very spicy. And elimination baity.
Is there any particular reason you're feeling a vote on Benhalkum is a good idea beyond just doing it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

his reaction here feels somewhat town

Yeah i don't think it's bad.
At least if we don't eliminate Outworld they will be easier to read than Ben that doesn't do fuckall.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly, this D1 scum elimination sucked.
There are no associations to gather from this. I can't even tell who voted Italiano genuinely, VS who just shitposted.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And Umlaut dying makes me paranoid. Who gains from killing Umlaut here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Kinda sad BM is V/LA, cus he's usually the guy that never shuts up and i think it would be helpful in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dkkoba did you hammer your partner for the towncred?

[NorwegianboyEE]

i mean yes bc then we speedrun a town win

VOTE: username

Why are you so vote happy.
And confident with every single vote. Like you don't really even care.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Both BM and Norwegian didn't jump on the train to vote outworks out. I found from reading that I feel they both are town.

Until I set on it a bit.

I think one of them is scum playing town at least.

You think BM could be scum?
Ew.

Bad take.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Benhalkum

[NorwegianboyEE]

Benhalkum’s post is the first one in the game that feels genuinely super scummy to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i mean yes bc then we speedrun a town win

VOTE: username

Why are you so vote happy.
And confident with every single vote. Like you don't really even care.

bc im a god

Oh u think ur goid at mafia? Name every single role found in normals from memory then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hammer Ben boys.
I’ll even take some of the responsibility if they flip town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can guarantee at least 1 is scum, if not working together.

UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still hate how little you pay attention to the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well yes. Point was, you said "Can guarantee at least 1 is scum, if not working together." which is yet another dumb tell which i'd believe coming from you.
There's only 1 scum left so ignorantly saying there could be more shows a town mindset.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Am i being insane here? Or is this making sense?
I think Battle Mage and Benhalkum should both be cleared so far based on this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If he has read your dumbslip and thought of faking it, why would he claim you are scummy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If he has read your dumbslip and thought of faking it, why would he claim you are scummy?

perhaps i'm Chosen.

Would anyone buy getting in on a wagon on you at this point?

[NorwegianboyEE]

In fact i think i'm just going to vote here.
VOTE: Iamausername

[NorwegianboyEE]

*shrug* i'll be disappointed if you're town and you threw away our benhalkum flip.

But this is assuming he is scum at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Y'all are crazy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because BM is a blockhead.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He can't help it, be nice to him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because BM is a blockhead.

you're a blockhead. why are we not flipping Ben? we could actually do it right now.

We're not flipping Ben because we're not flipping Ben.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your part of the blame as to why this game has now become infuriating, i'm simply repaying the favour.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok but i got scum d1

It could just as easily have been a town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We eliminated scum with flimsy as fuck reasoning. And now we can't look for any associations whatsoever. Making this a bore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly Dkkoba, i think you suck more than you think. And this elimination was ass.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The thing is, you actually played well that game, but this game's performance. Eh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I guess the thing to do at this point is just make a list of people we wanna flip and go down it until we get whoever's the last scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you're the scum i pre-emptively congratulate you though Dkkoba, lolhammering your scum partner and then just riding that towncred to victory would be an pretty impressive scum strat.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, this game is basically dying because there's nothing to talk about. We just gotta keep up the tradition now and keep voting and lolhammering whoever we lay our eyes on.
Yippee, this is WHY WE PLAY THE GAME!!

[NorwegianboyEE]

BM hammered not DK

Black Mesa hammered not Donkey Kong?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dkkoba can you remind me why you're townreading this guy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

From what i can see, all he's done so far is say he's willing to hammer Italiano and then TMI that his reactions were scum indicative in post 148.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Italiano was actually town, I think he wouldn't have been hammered. His reaction was pretty bad.

This part.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would someone being E-1 in RVS and reacting in apathy be an "bad" reaction or scum indicative? I've seen town react exactly the same way to similar wagon compositions.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So it kinda feels like you were just explaining why he was so scummy to get townpoints. Because in my view Italiano's reactions to the wagon were NAI.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You honestly think that town just ignores that they are at L-1?

They didn't ignore it. They just reacted with humor like they didn't take it seriously. Which could easily have been town thinking "oh wow, I'm getting wagoned for nothing hahaha. Oh well. I'm sure scum won't actually just blatantly hammer me here"
Obviously we know this wasn't true as they were scum, but how could you have known that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh he acknowledged it for one post and then just joked. Personally, I've never seen town act like that.

...
Fine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not agreeing with Midway because his logic makes so much sense, but because he seems to genuinely believe what he's saying.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So just kill all of Iamusername/Benhalkum/Outworld for the solve?
*Munch munch*

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can live with a Norwee/Dkkoba/Battle Mage/Midway townblock.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you not agree BM dumbtold earlier?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you're the scum i pre-emptively congratulate you though Dkkoba, lolhammering your scum partner and then just riding that towncred to victory would be an pretty impressive scum strat.

he didnt hammer, and also he shouldn't be town-blocked simply for being on the wagon, any more than anybody else.

Ok so he was like "Dude it would be so AWESOME if you just hammered Italiano here! DAMN BOII!!"
But yes, they didn't actually place the hammer vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

BM single-handedly eliminated scum with robust meta analysis. And now we are inexplicably not just eliminating obvscum Ben, but posting pages of nothing. Making this a bore.

Me praising Battle Mage? Now i know an fabricated quote when i see one.

[NorwegianboyEE]

you think he couldnt do that as scum? come on man.

NOBODY should be off your radar based on Day 1 play. if you're town, suggest keeping a somewhat open-mind, but also making the best flip choice each day.

I am going to go from low effort to zero effort at this rate.

You're proving my point. We have nothing to go off. It could have been Dkkoba, it could not have been Dkkoba. Who the fuck knows?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let's just kill Ben because they barely contribute. I don't care anymore.
VOTE: benhalkum

[NorwegianboyEE]

What's the saying? A day 1 scum elimination is actually kinda crap for town? Multiply that by 100 here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you were chosen why kill Umlaut.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Spicy development.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Although i can't tell if you're both just OMGUS'ing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

V I B E C H E C K

[NorwegianboyEE]

Omg i haven't even been UwU'ing yet.

Benhalkum please die desu~ OwO

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought i cared about the possibility of Benhalkum being town but then i realized no.
Benhalkum lives don't matter very much to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

if we win here imma retire

Peak mafia.
If this is victory you transcend physical existence and become an incomprehensible being and thus feel above any entertainment this game would offer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Chosen would be someone like Benhalkum wouldn’t it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s already E-1 so i’ll just observe the happenings for a bit.
But i don’t think Username would be an bad elimination.

[NorwegianboyEE]

hmm is Username scum or chosen

is Norway scum or chosen

decisions I must now make.

Is that the only possibilities you can see?
Explain?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I like your yip yapping avatar Outworld.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was paranoid about Midwaybear.
I think Username is the only player that would make that sort of kill? Or Dkkoba.

[NorwegianboyEE]

it would be incredibly hard for town to lose here.

Oh i’m sure we could pull it off when you say shit like that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Battle hammerer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You didn't even let them talk dude. :v

[NorwegianboyEE]

If this flips town can we all ok to fast night.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i think i understand why second chosen wasn't killed tonight. It might say too much about who was likely chosen by mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If this flips town can we all ok to fast night.

it's 24 hours dude, and this is a bit of a crapshoot now

But if we're going to spend 2 hours to vote and hammer like it's an marathon game then 24 hours feels like forever.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think the one thing that worries me is that BM dumbtold, but when Benhalkum did the same he was like "DUDE HE COULD TOTALLY FAKE THAT!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

- Chosen Townies are immune to nightkills and cannot be endgamed if both are still alive. (Ie. 2 Chosen vs 2 Mafia is a town win)

I think this means that both chosen are always immune to nightkills. But it doesn't say anything about whether mafia will be endgamed if the last chosen is still alive. Only if both are alive.
@Mod
Can you clarify this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also can a chosen townie be nightkilled if the second one has been eliminated? (as is the case here)

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game is pissing me off.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Here's an idea. How about we DON'T quickhammer next time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Here's an idea. How about we DON'T quickhammer next time.

i agree - it will be exLo tomorrow if username is being real.

If he’s real?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can’t seriously believe they are scum after their reaction BM.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i mean you insisted on an execution of a Chosen townie yesterday then speedhammered town today

i don't know why you think you wouldn't be suspicious at this point

because i obvtowned with my idiocy on Day 1, unless you really think that was a gambit (in which case, thanks I'm flattered!). I don't think anyone comes up smelling of roses from these day phases otherwise, and nobodies voting behaviour makes them conftown.

i'll share more thoughts tomorrow if alive.

Tbh i’m really paranoid about you. You hammered so fast today instead of letting us talk. And your riding that towncred from the dumbtell a bit hard right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is slow-rolling?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well that sucked.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Chosen townie was an inactive noob so not exactly the hardest elimination in the world. Dkkoba didn't even have to try.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am very salty at how shit this game became after Dkkoba encouraged that hammer. Should have policied them smh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just want to bury this bad memory now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Good played though Dkkoba.