Mini Theme 2172: Great Idea Mafia - Game Over

[NoPowerOverMe]

So are you lying or are you not actually a doctor.

[Iconeum]

and you claim to have doc'd MC twice in a row?

[Iconeum]

The standard (and only Normal) version of a Doctor cannot target themself

its a theme so not bound by normal regulations

[NoPowerOverMe]

Ok

[Iconeum]

i can buy the doc claim

i can buy you targeting Murdercat

i can even buy you can self-target

but all of this un-gated? As 'proven' by your claim of having targeted MC twice in a row?

hmmmmm

[Iconeum]

how fucking strong is an un-gated doc that's allowed self protection?

not to mention how game-throwing it is to not self-target each and every night

[NoPowerOverMe]

Which card number are you

[Iconeum]

the doc claim has to be bullshitting

[Iconeum]

In Theme games, the interaction between a Mafia Doctor and a Gunsmith may be different, and is typically driven by the game's flavour. Similarly, the exact list of types of kill that a Doctor can stop will often be flavour-driven in these games; an unusual type of kill might or might not be considered eligible for Doctor protection. For types of kill for which a Doctor is insufficient, sometimes specialised Doctor variants are introduced to stop them, e.g. a Firefighter or Poison Doctor.

There are numerous minor (but nonstandard) variations of the Doctor, e.g. some Doctors can self-target, some can stop more than one kill in the same Night, and some variant Doctors will inform the Doctor and/or their target if a protection stops a kill. These variations are not Normal, and should typically be mentioned in the player's Role PM so that they do not come to false conclusions about how their role works.

It is common for Doctors (especially those which can self-target) to have a targeting restriction, to prevent them saving the same player (especially the same power role) repeatedly. Nowadays, these restrictions often expressed in the form of a role modifier; modifiers that can break up Doctor combos include Non-Consecutive Night, Indecisive, Roaming, and Simple

. In the past, Percentage was also sometimes used for this purpose (creating a role known as the Faith Healer), but roles with random aspects are normally frowned upon nowadays.

Like I said, because this isn't strictly a norma game, self targeting might be a thing but it's gonna be accompanied by a restriction because of the otherwise sheer overpowerdness of it

[Iconeum]

that's from the mod-provided role list in the OP, first doctor link

[Primate]

Unvote

[Primate]

the doc claim has to be bullshitting

mhmm.

I didn't think self protecting docs have been a thing for a long while. Unless they've come back into the meta it's very odd.

[Iconeum]

it's not about docs being able to self-protect, because as evidence shows it's entirely possible

the problem is that the doc didn't claim a modifier, and went as far as saying they defacto have no modifier by claiming consecutive night actions on the same player

[Primate]

This is an open setup. The mod isn't going to randomly throw in an every other night doc to keep us on our toes. The only real justification of a self protecting doc is that it's enough of a standard way of doing things that the mod thinks it's an acceptable "standard" pick.

[iamausername]

This is an open setup.

so... we can all just ask the mod if a doctor would be able to self-protect, no?

[Iconeum]

again, i don't think the issue is that the doc can self protect

the issue is that i refuse to believe a mod would throw in a doc that is able to self-protect without restrictions

[Iconeum]

This is an open setup. The mod isn't going to randomly throw in an every other night doc to keep us on our toes. The only real justification of a self protecting doc is that it's enough of a standard way of doing things that the mod thinks it's an acceptable "standard" pick.

and as my wiki quote just proved: the acceptable standard of including a self-healing doc would be to implement some kind of restriction/modifier

which apparently there isn't

[iamausername]

again, i don't think the issue is that the doc can self protect

the issue is that i refuse to believe a mod would throw in a doc that is able to self-protect without restrictions

this setup is very much not beholden to any concept of 'balance' though

[iamausername]

anyway, i have PMd the mod to ask if a hypothetical doctor would be able to self-protect, and since this is an open setup, i see no reason why this wouldn't be answered.

i expect that if Echo was scum he would have done the same before claiming to be a doc that could self protect, but i guess maybe he thought that was standard until people started questioning it

[iamausername]

how fucking strong is an un-gated doc that's allowed self protection?

not to mention how game-throwing it is to not self-target each and every night

is a bulletproof townie really that strong though

i mean, it's not like he's vengeful too

[Iconeum]

anyway, i have PMd the mod to ask if a hypothetical doctor would be able to self-protect, and since this is an open setup, i see no reason why this wouldn't be answered.

i expect that if Echo was scum he would have done the same before claiming to be a doc that could self protect, but i guess maybe he thought that was standard until people started questioning it

i expect that a doc that can self-heal would be informed in their role pm (because it not being normal), and apparently they had to check with the mod to know this so??

[Iconeum]

how fucking strong is an un-gated doc that's allowed self protection?

not to mention how game-throwing it is to not self-target each and every night

is a bulletproof townie really that strong though

i mean, it's not like he's vengeful too

[Iconeum]

i'm just gonna sit back with a huge grin on my face now

[Iconeum]

also i think the answer is yes, a townie that can protect itself and others ungated is rather strong

[EchoVision]

i can buy the doc claim

i can buy you targeting Murdercat

i can even buy you can self-target

but all of this un-gated? As 'proven' by your claim of having targeted MC twice in a row?

hmmmmm

idk what ungated means