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[MURDERCAT]

I think people aren't talking about the Iconeum kill enough. I think from my perspective that was a really odd kill.

It's not me or echo, so it was designed to dodge the blocks. What's weird about it?

[MURDERCAT]

i actually don’t see a reason that NPOM makes the N1 kill ever

It assumes that NPOM's claim is real which seems likely

[MURDERCAT]

did i miss something?
how do you know last scum is a werewolf?

This is a slip right?
Ugh primate played such a good game I hope it isn't
But I think it's kinda too late for him anyway

[iamausername]

wait, don't we actually know the opposite? if last scum was werewolf, there wouldn't have been two kills on any night

which also makes me and NPOM 100% clear unless there are actually two scum left.

[Primate]

I would like to claim to be a massive idiot who hadn't had a coffee yet.

[Primate]

Nah it's not a slip, just stupidity. It doesn't really make sense as a slip either, it doesn't mean anything that comes from a scum mindset. I was just coming at the argument from the wrong place.

You're right, the scum is likely mafia.

which also makes me and NPOM 100% clear unless there are actually two scum left.

Yep.

So does that mean town kills me today then murder tomorrow and wins? If the self protect claim is that solid (which I think it is) that makes some sense to me?

But then we start getting to the weeds a bit with those odd roles that can mess with things, like Rbs and Strongmen, and it's a question for the town to what extent they're willing to tolerate speculation about that kind of thing.

[Primate]

I think people aren't talking about the Iconeum kill enough. I think from my perspective that was a really odd kill.

It's not me or echo, so it was designed to dodge the blocks. What's weird about it?

If you'd Rb'd me, Ico was the elim target today, probably. That kill only really makes complete sense from someone that *knows* Ico is going to be the RBtarget or is willing to take a risk on the fact they are. It doesn't really make sense from me, because it makes me the lynch target today. If it was me, I would have tried to kill you, I think that's my only viable play.

[Primate]

I think this maybe isn't as much of a point against you as it might seem at first because i think targetting ico with the rb was clearly the correct play but you can't discount that if say, hypomafia username, wanted to kill someone going into N3, why would they pick a potential elim target over someone who they know is pseudoconfirmed by RB like NPOM.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't see how nk wimof spec helps the situation at all.

The fact is we have reason to believe all except Primate are town and we should move forward as such until we know otherwise.

3 non town is the most common setup correct and 2 non town are dead.

[MURDERCAT]

wait, don't we actually know the opposite? if last scum was werewolf, there wouldn't have been two kills on any night

which also makes me and NPOM 100% clear unless there are actually two scum left.

Lmao oh yeah

[MURDERCAT]

Nah it's not a slip, just stupidity. It doesn't really make sense as a slip either, it doesn't mean anything that comes from a scum mindset. I was just coming at the argument from the wrong place.

You're right, the scum is likely mafia.

which also makes me and NPOM 100% clear unless there are actually two scum left.

Yep.

So does that mean town kills me today then murder tomorrow and wins? If the self protect claim is that solid (which I think it is) that makes some sense to me?

But then we start getting to the weeds a bit with those odd roles that can mess with things, like Rbs and Strongmen, and it's a question for the town to what extent they're willing to tolerate speculation about that kind of thing.

I think people aren't talking about the Iconeum kill enough. I think from my perspective that was a really odd kill.

It's not me or echo, so it was designed to dodge the blocks. What's weird about it?

If you'd Rb'd me, Ico was the elim target today, probably. That kill only really makes complete sense from someone that *knows* Ico is going to be the RBtarget or is willing to take a risk on the fact they are. It doesn't really make sense from me, because it makes me the lynch target today. If it was me, I would have tried to kill you, I think that's my only viable play.

What if it's just echo then?

[MURDERCAT]

Like Echo could be mafia doc who knows about self protect, we think there is one mafia left. Echo would want to elim outside {me, echo} to keep the claim alive a bit longer. Thoughts?

[MURDERCAT]

It also explains Echo's terrible targets on me?

I actually think it's just Echo which is funny because if he hadn't said the stuff about self healing I was gunna RB him

That's why I wanted him to commit to healing me, so that I could RB him and avoid no kill gambits.

[NoPowerOverMe]

@MOD, is it okay to post results of setups that we roll ourselves in the thread if we just post the results and don't use dice tags?

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: echo + Shelly

Shelly the way u started off this game reminds me a shit ton of ur scum games. Ur scum games always start off looking very very protown. However when ur town, u always start off meh or really scummy :/

this is very wifomy and I can improve at being town

meh response
noraa you tryna rock this shit or do you wanna rock ico's shit with me since he's not even here yet
or the other person who's name i can't even remember
it starts with an a

Shelly the way u started off this game reminds me a shit ton of ur scum games. Ur scum games always start off looking very very protown. However when ur town, u always start off meh or really scummy :/

this is very wifomy and I can improve at being town

meh response
noraa you tryna rock this shit or do you wanna rock ico's shit with me since he's not even here yet
or the other person who's name i can't even remember
it starts with an a

the arachnid one. I plan on focusing on shelly bc her entrance pings me of all her scum games so far where she started off being TRed a shit ton for "protown behavior"

echo who is scum im gunna solve this on this page

why are we asking for solves day 1? none of them r gonna be right. Just ask for reads. Plus its still half rvs and I doubt anyone has a read that's half decent. Chill ur butt, wait for info to collect itself and magically everyone will have reads

bc i’m a fucking expert and my best friend shelly knows i’m an expert
but shellys bein a lil bit of a weirdo so i am accepting new best friend applications
i don’t really like how towny shellys being

but it’s never the person you most suspect nor least suspect it’s whoever you middle most suspect
shelly+ noraa scum team again throwback to doggos

this is ridiculous, so apparently echo and noraa think im scum for... being town? wtf

echo is finding very stretched reasons to TR me, -2 townpoints

That’s the second time you voted a slot for being inactive. Is 13 pages not enough for you to find anything scummy?

vanity voting is scummy. but why are you zero-ing in on echo instead of titus whos on the same wagon?

another thing of note here: rannys reaction to herta

I want this situation sorted out.

is different from "herta is scum" which is what im saying. this sounds quite excuse-y imo, -1 townpoint

Nooooo not the townpoint

Herta was pressed earlier and blew it off. I wanted to add to the pressure by helping build the wagon. I wasn’t satisfied with the answer and would be okay with the elim /willing to hammer.

I voted echo because he did the thing twice. I only have one vote smdh

okay?

I feel like this comes from town, tone etc. "not the townpoint" is genuine so maybe i'll give it back
echo wagon is good but I want herta today, im the reverse titus

Herta's reaction is basically "you got me for the wrong reasons" which isn't a town mindset, it's a survivalist one. Instead of providing content when the spotlight was on them they flailed. And that is why we should all get herta NOW.

You're essentially co-opting username's reasoning as your own after admitting that you overreacted in the first place. That's not a villagery mindset. That's a wolf who got caught without cover.

VOTE: Shelly

wolf oo faction slip?
jk
or am i

same reason i didn’t vote herta before— there’s two slots who just don’t exist STILL so i didn’t want to push the wagon super duper far without them existing
VOTE: ranny but i’m sick of their shit i’m going through switch vote withdrawal

echo why are you wagon hopping like crazy

The ones who I’m townleaning at the moment are: Titus, Noraa, Echo, Herta

Null: PlusJOYED, ico, MURDERCAT,

Scum or Anti-town: Ranny, red, username, NPOM

yeah this slot's interesting
VOTE: italiano

idk how this is still alive tbh
like it's on the verge of too scummy to be scummy the past like three pages
it wasn't bad at the beginning of the replacement but yikes

VOTE: italiano
die scummy scum die

The only thing that gives me pause is the vote on italiano, I have to see when that happened

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: votes

Votecount 1.12

iamausername (3) - MURDERCAT, Titus, Primate
Rannygazoo (3) - NoPowerOverMe, redcardinal, iamausername
ItalianoVD (2) - Herta, Noraa
redcardinal (2) - Rannygazoo, ItalianoVD

Not voting (3) - Iconeum, EchoVision, PlusJOYED

(expired on 2020-10-23 09:11:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Votecount 1.13

iamausername (4) - MURDERCAT, Titus, Primate, PlusJOYED
redcardinal (3) - Rannygazoo, ItalianoVD, Herta
Rannygazoo (1) - NoPowerOverMe
ItalianoVD (1) - Noraa
Herta (1) - iamausername
PlusJOYED (1) - Iconeum

Not voting (2) - EchoVision, redcardinal

(expired on 2020-10-23 09:11:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Votecount 1.14

iamausername (6) - MURDERCAT, Titus, Primate, PlusJOYED, Rannygazoo, ItalianoVD
Herta (2) - iamausername, NoPowerOverMe
redcardinal (1) - Herta
ItalianoVD (1) - Noraa
PlusJOYED (1) - Iconeum

Not voting (2) - EchoVision, redcardinal

(expired on 2020-10-23 09:11:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

yeah this slot's interesting
VOTE: italiano

idk how this is still alive tbh
like it's on the verge of too scummy to be scummy the past like three pages
it wasn't bad at the beginning of the replacement but yikes

if we don't go italiano i'm fine with a no lynch tho and we can re-examine tomorrow because today's kinda been boring as fuck and i don't really have anything else to contribute
there's not really anybody that i'm lock scum on nor lock town and i feel like a bunch of people are in the same boat

VOTE: italiano
die scummy scum die

Votecount 1.15

ItalianoVD (7) - Noraa, redcardinal, Titus, EchoVision, Herta, Rannygazoo, MURDERCAT
iamausername (3) - Primate, PlusJOYED, ItalianoVD
Herta (2) - iamausername, NoPowerOverMe
PlusJOYED (1) - Iconeum

Not voting (0)

(expired on 2020-10-23 09:11:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Ugh this is hard

[MURDERCAT]

Could it be primate and echo??

That could explain why echo felt safer voting italiano on D1?

I think we win if NPOM and username trust me

[MURDERCAT]

So does that mean town kills me today then murder tomorrow and wins?

Ahhhh someone come talk to me hahaha

Are we in 3:2 right now?

The game is actually won from my POV so why is it all so confusing

[SirCakez]

@MOD, is it okay to post results of setups that we roll ourselves in the thread if we just post the results and don't use dice tags?

Sure

[MURDERCAT]

My simulations were off by the way, I did it without replacement

[Primate]

Suppositions that consider me mafia are unhelpful because they won't survive me dying. If I'm mafia you can talk about that tomorrow. Today is only for speculation that involves me being survivor or unrelated third party.

[Primate]

I think this'll probably come down to last day (username/NPOM)/Murdercat/Echo and with un/npom having to decide between murder and echo I think that's what username/npom and echo should be planning for right now.

[Primate]

and murder obviously, but murder is already planning for that.

[MURDERCAT]

Primate, what do you make of echo being mafia doc?
We either have to explain echo's D1 bus or his weird doc targets

[NoPowerOverMe]

Game 1:
VT
VT
VT
VT
Lover(named VT)
Godfather
Psychiatrist

Mafia Doctor
Mafia Strongman

Werewolf
Nija werewolf
Werewolf Gravedigger

Survivor