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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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PlusJOYED (7) - derp, JohnnyFarrar, Glitch, Hiraki, Flubbernugget, Noraa, Hopkirk
Keita (6) - JohnnyFarrar, Staarling, The Slime Collective, Noraa, Glitch, nopointinactingup
So the lynch pools together minus dead people, me, and Hopkirk leaves:
derp, Johnny, Flub, Noraa, Staarling, nopo
This is my pool today. I know it's wide but that's where I'm at. I like the nopo slot, Staarling is null, and deep pings me as scummy and towny back and forth.
I want to understand the case on flub. Can someone link to a summary or make a quick one?-
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Trendall Mafia Scum
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Noraa ze/zirfluffy tsunamize/zir
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VCA is stupid. its based solely on how good one's reads are and that's ridiculous.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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nopointinactingup Mafia Scum
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Catching up posts:
I liked derp's thought process at the beginning even though it's a pain to process.
I'm not sure what derp's case on Noraa is but Nora's OMGUS and Glitch buddying was anti-town at best.
Noraa having a null read on Flubber doesn't seem that scummy. I have similar thoughts on Flubber, he's slightly leaning town for me only because we've had similar reads.
I don't like Hopkirk's push on Noraa in 1028. The Keita wagon was literally the only option at the end of D2 and what Hop does feels like shaming/bullying. Also, this and the royalty part really smells like scum theatre.
Hopkirk's case on Flubber at 968 is not impressive. Pretty much the same points can be made about Trendall with the exception of the fact that when and only when pressured, Trendall actually make an effort in this game, which is even scummier. He said more in one post defending himself than the rest of his posts combined.
Nora saying my set-up speculation is weird IS weird. Didn't she literally say she liked it before.
Not sure what to think about Hopkirk's 180 on me then deriding me as confused. Does he think that's supposed to get him on my good side?
Glitch's posts sound townish, I don't think scum would make an effort in this situation. Not sure how I feel about both Derp and Glitch completely disregarding the fact that Trendall was on the Keita wagon at the end there.
Feels like Trendall is the best lynch here since Hopkirk is off the table for most. Scummy in both VCA and playstyle. Flip would also clarify alignment of Nora, Glitch and Flubber more
VOTE: TrendallJustice will prevail
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nopointinactingup Mafia Scum
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b by itself is possible of course. But how can you think the first doctor claim is from scum when:In post 1103, Hopkirk wrote: If you were a doctor enabler, had seen no game had EVER had two doctors in it before, and there are two doctor claims then are you going to either
a.) 100% sure there must be two doctors in this game with no reasons to support this
b.) Think the first doctor claim is a claim from scum who got caught out by a counterclaim (this happens all the time in mafia)
The fact that you're considering b as literally 0% likely makes everything you say hard conf.bias and objectively bad. There's a very clear reason for town DE to vote what he thinks is probably a fakeclaim. Why is it LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE that town-Hop thinks that PJ is probably scum that got caught out on a fakeclaim? You have said this outright because you can't see 'any plausible' alternative your your theory.
- They are the first to claim doc. How does scum know this is a doc set-up?
- You caught a breadbrumb from the first doctor claim. That supposed to significantly increase the chance that person is really doc.
Do you think scum would not take credit for a supposed softclaim that make their claim more believable?In post 1103, Hopkirk wrote: - PJ immediately said that he hadn't softclaimed. Scum and town PJ both say that because scum PJ doesn't want to say 'yes' because he didn't and doesn't want to get caught out, while town PJ doesn't want to say 'yes' because he didn't and doesn't want to lie.
If you are actually town and really think so then this is a dangerous line of thought. It basically gives scum a free pass for yeeting any PR.In post 1103, Hopkirk wrote: - I vote PJ because a counterclaim is 100% more believable than an initial claim because scum (unless they're in a bad spot already) doesn't have the incentive to counterclaim that town do.
Fair point, I still think it's extremely risky to lynch a possible doctor. I'm skeptical you could have developed a 0% PJ - 100% derp mindset at that point. It's not impossible yes, but I'm sus of you because it's more likely to come from scum taking advantage of the situation to get a doc killed.In post 1103, Hopkirk wrote: What I bought when I voted PJ was that Derp was town, NOT that there were two doctors in the game. That's very clearly why I voted PJJustice will prevail
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nopointinactingup Mafia Scum
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VCA is about how likely someone is to be scum base of their positions in wagons it has nothing to do with reads. Also, VCA is not the only thing I'm basing my reads on FYI.In post 1127, Noraa wrote:VCA is stupid. its based solely on how good one's reads are and that's ridiculous.Justice will prevail
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JohnnyFarrar Jack of All Trades
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Depression episode woo-hoo
I think at this juncture the frustration comes from town's weak position. When you factor that in the rest of her play matches up almost 1-1 with betrayal. Incomprehensible reads, fence sitting, being under heavy scrutiny, it's all there. I think Noraa is town here.In post 1111, derp wrote:so what does johnny think about it?
Also just taking the stance here that staar is really who they say they are and town here. This is a tough game and they're doing their best.
Much as I like a trendall vote, I don't really trust nopo
That leaves me with VOTE: derp
I'm not losing this game in ello to a day 1 CC that flipped a town pr. Enabler talk and whatever else be damnedPhone posting. Low effort, big fun.
"In my heart, Johnny will always be scum" - Not_Mafia-
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The only reason scum has to not kill in the claims is if they're in that set of peopleIn post 1005, Noraa wrote:Slime is trully a weird kill. I'd think the scums would ... be more worried about the outed prs?
Maybe I'm overthinking but I almost think atm that one of the outed is scum and the scum team is keeping both alive to like idk provide cover for the other....-
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Hopkirk Jack of All Trades
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Really, that's the only reason? It objectively isn't. If you're town then you're saying it hasn't crossed your mind that scum aren't killing the claims so that town (like yourself in this example) want to vote them because they think they must be scum for not getting killed?In post 1133, Flubbernugget wrote:
The only reason scum has to not kill in the claims is if they're in that set of peopleIn post 1005, Noraa wrote:Slime is trully a weird kill. I'd think the scums would ... be more worried about the outed prs?
Maybe I'm overthinking but I almost think atm that one of the outed is scum and the scum team is keeping both alive to like idk provide cover for the other....
Its literally one of the most classical examples of wifom this is. You've been playing long enough to know what wifom is.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivor
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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Wait can you elaborate?In post 1128, nopointinactingup wrote:Not sure how I feel about both Derp and Glitch completely disregarding the fact that Trendall was on the Keita wagon at the end there.
Trendall wasn't on the Keita wagon at all on D2 unless I missed something. If he was on it at the end I want to know but VCs don't reflect that. What am I missing?-
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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derp, Johnny, Flub, Noraa, Staarling, nopo
Derp is high efforting with decent reads but the level of effort gives me gut scum vibes and I can't pin why. I'm also struggling not to just immediately want to jump at derp for the CC STILL.
Johnny gives me weird vibes but I think it's just the avatar and the fact that I only have like 10 minutes a day to play this game this week.
Flub and Staarling are null but I will get more of a read on them when I can put some effort into this game again which will be either tomorrow after work or Sunday evening. Sorry, I'm just stretched really thin right now with a new job working 60 hours a week and I'm playing 2 games and modding one. So much to do.
Nopo still strikes me as town even this much into the game. I know that's been either a TL or a TR from me from the start but I just feel like solid effort coming from that slot is town indicative and it seems they are genuinely trying to solve.
At this point my lack of ability to focus on this game leaves me in a position where my reads are not as strong as they could be either way but regardless of that I would still be happy with a derp flip. Johnny just voted there which makes me feel like MAYBE we could get some traction there so hell, let's do it.
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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Right now my town bin is Hopkirk and Nopo; trendall's application is pending.
I want to eliminate Noraa but I'm trying to figure out if it's because I SR her or if I just am annoyed with how she plays and think it's really immature. That line is blurry for me so Derp it is. No offense meant to Noraa, I have no ill will against you, our playstyles just don't mesh well.-
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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if u are town u might lose the game to it if u yeet poor derp nowIn post 1131, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Depression episode woo-hoo
I think at this juncture the frustration comes from town's weak position. When you factor that in the rest of her play matches up almost 1-1 with betrayal. Incomprehensible reads, fence sitting, being under heavy scrutiny, it's all there. I think Noraa is town here.In post 1111, derp wrote:so what does johnny think about it?
Also just taking the stance here that staar is really who they say they are and town here. This is a tough game and they're doing their best.
Much as I like a trendall vote, I don't really trust nopo
That leaves me with VOTE: derp
I'm not losing this game in ello to a day 1 CC that flipped a town pr. Enabler talk and whatever else be damned
also derp said u should either have yeeted me yesterday or believe in derp, because choosing to pursue something as illogical as thinking derp would cc a doc claim d1 as scum is something makes no sense, only reason to misyeet derp would be due to policy which should have happened yesterday
but u can vote on derp if u want to, but derp would still like to hear if u have any other scum reads-
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u already know derps role, u know derps reads, u know it would be very illogical for derp to be scum because the cc does not make sense from a scum perspective and with hopkirks claim it does not make much sense for derp to be a mafia doctor either from a setup perspective unless u believe derp and hopkirk are dirty buddies, but there is always wifom around and technically derp did cc a now confirmed town doc so pushing a policy yeet is what it is-
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You've been playing long enough to know that wifom can explain away any action scum makesIn post 1134, Hopkirk wrote:
Really, that's the only reason? It objectively isn't. If you're town then you're saying it hasn't crossed your mind that scum aren't killing the claims so that town (like yourself in this example) want to vote them because they think they must be scum for not getting killed?In post 1133, Flubbernugget wrote:
The only reason scum has to not kill in the claims is if they're in that set of peopleIn post 1005, Noraa wrote:Slime is trully a weird kill. I'd think the scums would ... be more worried about the outed prs?
Maybe I'm overthinking but I almost think atm that one of the outed is scum and the scum team is keeping both alive to like idk provide cover for the other....
Its literally one of the most classical examples of wifom this is. You've been playing long enough to know what wifom is.
What are you doing dude-
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Noraa ze/zirfluffy tsunamize/zir
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isnt role cop a scum role?
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