Newbie 2038: Elements [Game Over]

[safebet222]

I think I follow your case against 72 pretty well... and thanks for the answer to my question.

Your case seems to hinge on the assumption that 72 plays better town than this. Let's play Occam's Razor...

Can we agree that 72 has had mostly scum reads of everyone and has attacked anything that moved? Can we also agree that the game has been rough as far as lack of activity, save a few players, and been riddled with replacements, both not good for town? If so, I ask...

What is more plausible?

A) 72 is scum playing TSTBS in a game where scum really doesn't need to do much to reach MELo

B) 72 is being a very toxic (perhaps bad, but I don't pretend to know enough about this game to say) townie trying to drum up activity in a dead game he knows benefits scum

To me A) seems pretty elaborate, not unthinkable, but elaborate, and riddled with danger. Town can be scummy too.

[MURDERCAT]

Yeah I'm fine with that coin flip mizzy

[MURDERCAT]

I accept that POV safe bet, except I was in a low activity game with 72 (roses) and IMO he is acting totally differently. Also, a large part of my case is feeling confident that 72 is advocating for anti town plays he should know better than to advocate for and failing to notice and point out things if expect him to notice and point out. Like I don't think 72 is TSTBD, I just think he is playing much worse than I'd expect for him as town

[safebet222]

UNVOTE: Spangled

VOTE: 72offsuit

[safebet222]

72 is at E-1 I think.

[safebet222]

YES 72OFFSUIT IS AT E-1

Please announce intent before hammer.

[MURDERCAT]

Nice

[Mizzytastic]

Massclaiming now would throw away one of the town benefits of no elim yesterday.

I thought I made it clear d2 that I was in favour of no elim because I thought it played well with a mass claim after

[Mizzytastic]

My strong preference is for no claims, we wagon/kick FF, we have a mislynch in hand. There is really no need to massclaim. The fact that scum hit vanilla townie shows that scum has bad PR reads or the game is stacked against scum and they were forced into a suboptimal kill based on the game dynamics. Massclaim just plays into scum's hands imo.

This pings me. I don't think this game feels like scum are struggling the slightest. It also lines up with exactly one of the narratives I said to look out for from the muh kill

Pedit - these got out of order

[Mizzytastic]

TOWN
Yours truly
Mizzy
JDye
Egix Null
FF Null to slight scumlean based on C4 hard defending Cyl and I now see Spangled as my main scum read right now.
Spangled
SCUM

72... you get your own category... Polarizing Scumtown??? In other words I don't know what to think about you. Your 1v1 with JDye screams TvT but your constant moving on scum reads is unsettling. Your no massclaim analysis is spot on in my opinion and what you say in your own defense about your playstyle makes sense along with your play at the end of D2. I'm gonna play nice with you for now... but my vote stays on Spangled.

FF is second scummiest. Why not wagon FF with me? FF has soft-claimed already.

In a post you previously pointed out as "why would town do this". What's the point in playing coy then just pointing it out pages later

[safebet222]

I read or heard somewhere once that when town in Mafia, don't underestimate the importance of building consensus between your town reads. You've done that to a large extent where 72off has only continually dropped bombs and demanded consensus. Building and demanding consensus is very different. Plus, I think I've learned more in the past 36 hours about this game than in the previous 3 weeks. If you're scum, I'll wear that badge.

[Egix96]

Has Egix said anything about cylslot since it stopped being cyl?

Yes, I did state some thoughts about Spangled's posts not long after he had replaced in.

[safebet222]

Massclaiming now would throw away one of the town benefits of no elim yesterday.

I thought I made it clear d2 that I was in favour of no elim because I thought it played well with a mass claim after

I don't think I ever said I agreed with you on that point... I agreed to no kill with the rest of the active players at the time.

The main benefit of the No-kill is to give your PRs more time to solve the game. Mass claiming would basically throw that away.

[MURDERCAT]

I read or heard somewhere once that when town in Mafia, don't underestimate the importance of building consensus between your town reads.

This is the biggest factor that determines town wins imo. I think it's often a couple of solid town reads and some good poe that catches scum more than anything else

[fferyllt]

Ugh.

Looking over case pages now.

[safebet222]

TOWN
Yours truly
Mizzy
JDye
Egix Null
FF Null to slight scumlean based on C4 hard defending Cyl and I now see Spangled as my main scum read right now.
Spangled
SCUM

72... you get your own category... Polarizing Scumtown??? In other words I don't know what to think about you. Your 1v1 with JDye screams TvT but your constant moving on scum reads is unsettling. Your no massclaim analysis is spot on in my opinion and what you say in your own defense about your playstyle makes sense along with your play at the end of D2. I'm gonna play nice with you for now... but my vote stays on Spangled.

FF is second scummiest. Why not wagon FF with me? FF has soft-claimed already.

In a post you previously pointed out as "why would town do this". What's the point in playing coy then just pointing it out pages later

Not sure I follow your question here, Mizzy.

[Mizzytastic]

*crickets*
*tumbleweed*
*meta analysis on day 3 when that cudv been done on earlier days*
*last minute wagon at deadline again incoming as noone takes a firm stance*

On what earlier days could ff, who replaced in 24 hours beyond deadline, do meta analysis?

72 is pinging me way more day 3 and I dunno if its cos I'm swayed by the wagon there or something else changed

[Mizzytastic]

TOWN
Yours truly
Mizzy
JDye
Egix Null
FF Null to slight scumlean based on C4 hard defending Cyl and I now see Spangled as my main scum read right now.
Spangled
SCUM

72... you get your own category... Polarizing Scumtown??? In other words I don't know what to think about you. Your 1v1 with JDye screams TvT but your constant moving on scum reads is unsettling. Your no massclaim analysis is spot on in my opinion and what you say in your own defense about your playstyle makes sense along with your play at the end of D2. I'm gonna play nice with you for now... but my vote stays on Spangled.

FF is second scummiest. Why not wagon FF with me? FF has soft-claimed already.

In a post you previously pointed out as "why would town do this". What's the point in playing coy then just pointing it out pages later

Not sure I follow your question here, Mizzy.

He initially reacts to the soft like its not there then calls it out later. Feels inconsistent

[Mizzytastic]

While you are here. Please comment on wagons in vote count in post 289. Dont need an indepth analysis
Want your gut feel read now.

Woooow it's almost like cylstar is conf scum
Should focus more on offsuit/safebet/Jdye

So why isn't your vote on Spangled right now?

I like the catch up from Egix but nice to see someone else think that

[Mizzytastic]

Though beyond that post my general read on Safebet is going down. It feels like there is a decent amount of being around without really saying much going on

[safebet222]

Ahhh... you were referring to 72, Mizzy. I get it.

[Mizzytastic]

I also think 72 has a tall order if he thinks he can get me to vote ff. Since taking the spot over she just feels more and more town. Pretty much all of 72s criticism is if the "not playing how I think is right" variety and those aren't the bits I found convincing. Though maybe I'm just bitter about him talking about controlling my vote like that

[fferyllt]

I think I follow your case against 72 pretty well... and thanks for the answer to my question.

Your case seems to hinge on the assumption that 72 plays better town than this. Let's play Occam's Razor...

Can we agree that 72 has had mostly scum reads of everyone and has attacked anything that moved? Can we also agree that the game has been rough as far as lack of activity, save a few players, and been riddled with replacements, both not good for town? If so, I ask...

What is more plausible?

A) 72 is scum playing TSTBS in a game where scum really doesn't need to do much to reach MELo

B) 72 is being a very toxic (perhaps bad, but I don't pretend to know enough about this game to say) townie trying to drum up activity in a dead game he knows benefits scum

To me A) seems pretty elaborate, not unthinkable, but elaborate, and riddled with danger. Town can be scummy too.

UNVOTE: Spangled


VOTE: 72offsuit

I read 1300 as you thinking B was more likely than A. Your vote suggests otherwise.

[Mizzytastic]

Gah, I feel like I haven't got a clue what is going on this game

[Mizzytastic]

Seeing Egix vote there makes me happier again about him