Open 801: Trust Fall (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Trust Count 2.03

Gloria Cleary (1) - Necessary Sneasel

Not Trusting (7) - Fidget, Gloria Cleary, Jake The Wolfie, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rainbow Reads, shellyc, Akarin

The deadline is Thursday, December 17, 2020, at 8:00 PM EST (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2020-12-17 20:00:00).

[Gloria Cleary]

I ship Jake and Rainbow for first pair.

This does not appear to be the popular choice.

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{Rainbow Reads}

{Necessary Sneasel, Uncrowned}

{shellyc}

{Akarin}

{Equinox, Fidget}

{Hectic}

{Gloria Cleary, Jake The Wolfie}

{PookyTheMagicalBear}

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Jake moved from Purple in the last list to Yellow in this one.

Fidget, did you still have questions about my Rainbow-Jake thought or did that pretty much answer itself as the day went on.

I'm less hot on that right now by the way, but I was kind of hoping Jake or Rainbow would actually react to it more. Or other people.

I don't really think all the scum can be in people making a point of not trying though.

I thought you might've been reaction testing with this to see if anyone was really vocally unopposed. There's the scenario where they're both town and scum really needs to stop that from happening, since they're both PoE range. Fidget was voacally opposed, but I feel her thoughts behind it were genuine.

I also just like that latest string of Fidget posting.

Very interesting that Hectic was saying preventing this pairing was scum indicative. I think if both Jake/RR were town here, Hectic would have been arguing the exact opposite.

So, RR moving Jake down could be a possible attempt to fit Hectic’s let’s IC slots by them refusing. Basically if we can obvtown Pooky, we win if both Jake/RR remain unpaired.

[Jake The Wolfie]

and just letting Equinox sort Jake-RR out.

Would you like to clarify how the moderator will sort out me and Rainbow road?

No.

I feel like reading comprehension is an important skill that we should all get a bit of practice in.

Ok, I'll stop asking questions then.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Basically if we can obvtown Pooky, we win if both Jake/RR remain unpaired.

This assumes that every other player besides us 3 is town. If that were the case, then I would expect at least a little confirmation that you accept Snevil's proposition.

[Akarin]

Why was that the question you felt most needed to be asked?

[Gloria Cleary]

But why wouldn’t Hectic have proposed to Sneasel then? Sneasel has proposed to Uncrowned, Hectic (after I called him “locktown”) and now me, so based on what Hectic was trying to accomplish why wouldn’t scum!Sneasel have put himself into the obvtown waiting position to fit with that plan?

I don't understand what you mean. No one has actually trusted Sneasel at any point during the game, it's just that Sneasel has trusted a few people (Uncrowned, you, I think that's it)

Scum can't pair as Sneasel was making a point of earlier.

My point is that Sneasel doesn’t appearing to be playing to this plan by doing that. Hectic’s plan was specifically for “obvtown “slots not to accept tf offers, not to offer them.

But I really think that was just wifom to get Uncrowned to trust him.

[Gloria Cleary]

Basically if we can obvtown Pooky, we win if both Jake/RR remain unpaired.

This assumes that every other player besides us 3 is town. If that were the case, then I would expect at least a little confirmation that you accept Snevil's proposition.

Why? Why is my accepting Sneasel’s proposal town indicative for you? If I’m scum here, why haven’t I already accepted it? Hectic is no longer in the game, so what does scum!me get out of stalling?

[Akarin]

And I'm worried it was to encourage us to trust some of the at-the-moment consensus townreads first. i.e. Sneasel. Then Hectic would have been the 2nd scum in the game in that case.

If we went down the list the other way, Hectic is out first and Rainbow and Jake are endgamed. Which is bad for Hectic-Rainbow.

[Akarin]

Jake, as my father is fond of saying, SHOW ME YOUR TOWNY HEART!

[Akarin]

Controversial take: I'm townreading Gloria right now.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Sorry, my internet decided to flicker so I'll have to delay my next post (written on my computer).

[Gloria Cleary]

And I'm worried it was to encourage us to trust some of the at-the-moment consensus townreads first. i.e. Sneasel. Then Hectic would have been the 2nd scum in the game in that case.

If we went down the list the other way, Hectic is out first and Rainbow and Jake are endgamed. Which is bad for Hectic-Rainbow.

But that primarily happened because I wrongly misread Shelley’s post as tmi towning Hectic. We have no idea if that was even his plan.

I should ISO Sneasel again but what did you think about Fidget’s RR links?

[Gloria Cleary]

Controversial take: I'm townreading Gloria right now.

Why is that “controversial”?

If I’m scum, this game would already be over.

[Akarin]

No, I mean in the original comment from Hectic. If Hectic was paired with Sneasel, we'd pair Sneasel with someone before Hectic.

If Hectic is paired with Jake/Rainbow, we'd have had the same situation we have now, but the game would be longer and we'd have cleared Sneasel as well. Pooky was pretty widely scumread at the time though, so it's possible he thought it would bet Pooky/Rainbow/Jake at the end and his partner could win that?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Jake, as my father is fond of saying, SHOW ME YOUR TOWNY HEART!

You were always my favorite child Akarin.

[Gloria Cleary]

No, I mean in the original comment from Hectic. If Hectic was paired with Sneasel, we'd pair Sneasel with someone before Hectic.

If Hectic is paired with Jake/Rainbow, we'd have had the same situation we have now, but the game would be longer and we'd have cleared Sneasel as well. Pooky was pretty widely scumread at the time though, so it's possible he thought it would bet Pooky/Rainbow/Jake at the end and his partner could win that?

Oh I was wondering. Hmmmm . . . well yeah I can see scum!Hectic being willing to leave early if he had a strongly tr partner.

But because I messed that up, we unfortunately don’t know that. :/

I suppose it’s possible for both Hectic and Sneasel to have tf’d Uncrowned at the same time, hoping he’d choose among them and it being some kind of gambit?

[Gloria Cleary]

Jake, as my father is fond of saying, SHOW ME YOUR TOWNY HEART!

You were always my favorite child Akarin.

HURT: Pooky.






HEAL: Pooky

Just for the memes but I think I might hate you now Dad.

*runs off to join the circus or a motorcycke gang*

[Akarin]

Shelly is like my friend who wears black nail polish and shops at Hot Topic that Dad thinks is a bad influence on me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sorry Gloria I don't think I've ever recovered from that time you almost ran off with that stinky plumber.

[Jake The Wolfie]

So my computer decide to reset so I lost that post. Rip.

[Gloria Cleary]

sorry Gloria I don't think I've ever recovered from that time you almost ran off with that stinky plumber.

I just couldn’t resist his clean pipes’ pitch.

[shellyc]

my wim is now cut in half for being IC

[shellyc]

I can get behind LPing jake/RR though.

[Gloria Cleary]

I can get behind LPing jake/RR though.

I still think it’s RR based on Fidget’s meta dive and my case. @Akarin if it is Seasel then he’s a damn good actor because that would mean his “fake” stances have been absolutely brilliant.

I find it really weird that Hectic makes a passionate defence of a slot he claims to “nulltown” read and the later HURT tag reads as possible distancing.

[Akarin]

I mean, I think you're probably right. It's probably one of Rainbow or Jake, especially because I feel like scum is in a really weird position here. I just have trouble shaking that paranoia.

But I just got done yelling from the dead thread about Isis and Oka being too paranoid and not just going with the obvious option in Epilogue.

Like I get it, and Fidget's meta on Rainbow is actually really excellent reason to think that. And Sneasal is pretty townie overall, just that line from Hectic has me really thinking.

Maybe it's just WiFoM.