Mini Theme 2182 - Legends of the Hidden Temple III - Over!

[lilith2013]

oooh page 1 challenge? I’m here for it

[lilith2013]

Gamma, if you think the current elim pool may be all town, why didn’t you try to stop pooky from challenging?

[lilith2013]

town!pooky, the 3-4 times I’ve seen, has always tried to be logical and reasonable and I see none of that here

[lilith2013]

actually 208 was okay but I don’t see noraa or pooky as obvtown

[lilith2013]

you were literally in one of the games I’m talking about

Spoiler: the first pooky post I saw

I have been thinking about the setup and below are some of my thoughts so far.



I've played similar games where there are rooms etc and one way to find the bad guys is to have a running tally of actions etc.

It seems one way the scum could kill people is by attacking them at night as one of their actions - as room exploration, lab deactivation attacks are not public actions.

In lieu of a standard nightkill, the scum have an anonymous attack - they also could attack somebody directly if they believe they have a good chance of killing them as a dead person is unable to say anything.

They can also use their nightactions to attack a person directly,

For example the entire scum team could attack Bingle and if they succeed in dealing him enough damage - he would not be able to tell us who his attackers were as he is dead.

One way I thought of to deal with this is if we coordinate our night actions on rooms that provide verification.

For example if all of us were to use the gym - all of us would get a speed increase of 1 - scum who would try to do something evil would not get this speed increase and be exposed.


Also @Nosferatu - what happened to your knowledge? Did the scum use their factional ability to reduce it? This would put you very close to dying if I am reading the rules correctly and you should go to the library to fix this.


Also as for mech-speculation - I do not believe it is a priority to destroy the labs currently as our player count is quite high - it would make sense imo to have higher knowledge players destroy labs.

A player with a knowledge score of 3 has only a 10/27 chance of de-activating a lab successfully - and failure would be a wasted action on the part of the town. Also the lower the probability of success is, the easier it is for scum to do something evil and pretend like his night-action was to de-activate a lab when it really was not.


~Fun

[lilith2013]

Why were you okay with your partner issuing a challenge on people you hadn’t yet formed reads on, then?

[lilith2013]

pooky’s posting looks more like what I’d expect from town!him (when he was talking about how VP was pushing him, that felt like him screaming about datisi in micro 960). I feel like I’m pretty meh about the rest of the pool. It’s hard to pin gamma and noraa because I feel like the majority of my impression of their posting is yelling at each other and I don’t think their argument should be considered AI particularly. I don’t have a good grasp on how they’re approaching the game.

How well do Noraa and VP know each other? They both seem very trusting of the other when I think town would be more suspicious/paranoid of early mutual townreads. Noraa is suspicious of gamma townreading her (a trait I generally consider towny), but why isn’t she paranoid of VP?

also just an apology, work is a hot mess. I’m trying to majorly limit screen time (ie visit ms like once per day) because my eyes are screaming for mercy. I have like... 5 more hours of work left and then can try to pop back in, but this is basically how it’s going to be for the foreseeable future.

[lilith2013]

I think I probably would’ve challenged noraa/vp if pooky hadn’t, but I can’t tell if that’s just because they’re who I’m thinking about already, like reck kinda said it’s hard not to focus on the pool once the challenge is out there

pooky, did you ever explain why you challenged noraa in particular? Was there a reason beyond memeing?

[lilith2013]

I don’t think using a pt is anti-town particularly, it’s not any more anti-town than challenging on page 3?

[lilith2013]

Townlean Noraa. (posts like 147, 232). I don't love the reasoning for townPooky she gives in 236 and still want a follow up on why, but I don't find that scummy.

What about 147 and 232 was towny?

[lilith2013]

like can someone explain to me how 615 makes any sense whatsoever from a town POV?

Why would Gamma!scum who is the leading vote-getter and in a semi-gladiate decide to hurl a bunch of SRs around... as scum? Is he trying to get himself yeeted off the face of the planet? Is it some weird wifom trick?

When is too many SRs even a scumtell? Which of his SRs do you disagree with? What part of his reasoning do you disagree with? Instead it's just "too many SRs must be bad" like whaaaat?!

I thought you were townreading noraa, what changed?

[lilith2013]

.. don't really get the scumreads on cakes. Is noraa calling him scum because he's not scummy enough? What is this logic?

[lilith2013]

ftr I think scum!cakes would probably be trying to pocket me in PT and he isn't trying at all

[lilith2013]

VP, why are you voting gamma right now?

[lilith2013]

I thought you were townreading noraa, what changed?

um it's literally in the post you are quoting. 615 is scummy to me.

I guess really what I want to ask is how strong of a townread did you have on her before?

I'm thinking about moving my vote over but I want to see how baltar reacts.

right now he's saying it's scummy but he's still voting for gamma? that's kind of weird?

That’s why I asked him that question. I also couldn’t find posts explaining a scumread on gamma so like why was he voting gamma over noraa at that point?

[lilith2013]

right now he's saying it's scummy but he's still voting for gamma? that's kind of weird?

Ill answer this one since it's the most current, but this also gets at lillith's question.

So last night after noraa posted that, I asked her in the PT to explain because I wanted to give her a chance to talk it out without the pressure of the full game coming down.

I asked essentially "why did you make that post?"

She said initially it was kind of a shit post she didn't think through, but then added some defense of it.

I said, it seems pretty scummy to say you'd be willing to yeet anyone in the lim pool who isn't you. And she then said she didn't care, that's how she felt and that she didn't trust me.

That's why I posted last night that she was being weirdly defensive.

I didn't really have scum vibes from Noraa's posts before this, but I'd be willing to yeet her now. To immediately turn a private chance to explain your actions without judgement into a super defensive attack doesn't feel like a town mindset to me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: noraa

Re: gamma - I still don't have a town read on him and I'm slightly worried noraa is flailing and it is helping take pressure off a scum, but her actions are super weird here.

Did this all happen before or after 666?

[lilith2013]

I wouldn't word it the same but I agree with the vibe of how Noraa is perceiving Cakez
I won't call myself good at reading Cakez but he has patterns of behavior I'm not sure he's entirely aware of and able to control yet.

Oh how my reads change.

TR gamma.

UNVOTE:

Noraa, why does this post make you townread gamma?

[lilith2013]

okay I’ll go look again

[lilith2013]

I wouldn't word it the same but I agree with the vibe of how Noraa is perceiving Cakez
I won't call myself good at reading Cakez but he has patterns of behavior I'm not sure he's entirely aware of and able to control yet.

Oh how my reads change.

TR gamma.

UNVOTE:

Noraa, why does this post make you townread gamma?

Noraa can you please answer this and then explain why you’re now saying gamma is scum again?

[lilith2013]

.. don't really get the scumreads on cakes. Is noraa calling him scum because he's not scummy enough? What is this logic?

this reminds me that lilith has felt weirdly absent this game? which would normally be a bad sign for me but I'm not how much of this is IRL stuff

Can you explain what you mean by absent? Is this similar to the comment you made about me in zoey’s? (And like yes clearly I haven’t posted much and explained why)

[lilith2013]

I’m planning on rereading gamma in the context of VP’s points against him but have to do work so hopefully later today

Also I reeeeeally don’t like noraa’s posts being like “this is why the other people in the pool are scummier than me” but not actually scumreading any of them

[lilith2013]

would it not do to shore that read up though? It's the same issue I brought up regarding baltar where the solving is not present imo

"everyone must do things exactly the way I do them, and come to the same conclusions that I come to, or they are not even trying"

______________

VP, why aren't you voting?
Lillith, why aren't you voting?
Cakez, why the Gamma vote?
Pooky, why are you still on VP?
AGar, why the Gamma vote?

Was this meant to be a rhetorical set of questions refuting gamma?

Regardless, I don’t feel very strongly about an elimination in particular/I do feel that everyone is receiving enough pressure to not necessitate pressure voting. Leaning towards noraa though.

[lilith2013]

I’m planning on rereading gamma in the context of VP’s points against him but have to do work so hopefully later today

Also I reeeeeally don’t like noraa’s posts being like “this is why the other people in the pool are scummier than me” but not actually scumreading any of them

Oh I SRed all three of them at the time that I made that post.

??? Here’s the post you made:

In the current bracket, im not sure who is scum or if there even is scum.

which implies that you didn’t have a firm scumread on

any

of them, let alone all of them, and now you’re trying to make it seem like that post saying you’d vote anyone wasn’t sketchy af

[lilith2013]

UT, who do you think scum!Noraa is being bussed by?

[lilith2013]

VOTE: noraa

[lilith2013]

Ugh

have some thoughts but might be best suited for post-game.

I was tinfoiling UT bussing noraa because no one else was super strongly pushing her which a partner would want to if the plan was to bus noraa, but she flipped town so that’s a bit of a moot point. tbh I think we should be looking at people who were townreading noraa because she didn’t seem town-motivated to me at all. For example, Agar called noraa towny for her argument with gamma when they were getting equally emotional and imo the argument should have been NAI for both sides, and as a result of that basically crossed her off his elimination list. What difference were you seeing there that made you think noraa was town but not gamma? (@agar)

[lilith2013]

I townread noraa based off of tone/motivation. I said nothing about her side of the argument being towny, and I also already told you exactly what I did find town about her early in the game, none of which had to do with her argument. I thought the argument was dumb and toxic, but I thought the thing that sparked it - GE's whinging over her reaction to a

townread

- was drawing at straws to try and just be saying something about the four up for the yeet. Everything after the initial volley of posts was pretty unindicative of anything, with a slight undertone of "GE is still protesting this way too much," and didn't really color my reads at all.

is this not referring to her posts during her argument with gamma?

At this point I lean a decent bit town on Noraa based on the whole exchange, and Gamma's insistence on the townread to the point of a self-vote feels very fucking weird.

If you didn't mean that her posts were towny, then what about "the whole exchange" was towny to you?

Your repeated "Noraa's posts haven't been that great" but hand-waving it away as "chalking up to frustration" also seem pretty TMI in retrospect.

[lilith2013]

And yeah, I didn’t go “yes this guy is town but he’s an asshole who was anti town so elim him” because I have zero desire to try and confidently shove a miselim. Look at me yesterday- I was originally content to hammer anyone but after I realized it was four town I couldn’t bring myself to hammer her. I lead elims on scum, not on town.

If you thought all four were town, why did it matter whether you hammered?

[lilith2013]

lilith told me she would work reads with me but she hasn't

sorry life exploded

[lilith2013]

agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural

[lilith2013]

agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural

That is your full reason for suspecting him?

you asked for a bullet point case, that was my one sentence TLDR. Do I think other things he’s said/done have also been scummy? yeah, but writing a full-blown thing would take more brain energy than I have. I can attempt it at some point but I ended up not being able to take vacation this week/worked over the weekend, so not a super priority for me since agar seems to be getting pushed plenty already.

[lilith2013]

@VPB I'd give you bullet points, but there's not enough between the four of us to really do that. Cakez's iso is just floating shit out softly and abandoning things that don't take. Starbuck is... a player? Haven't used our PT for much beyond some memes and shenanigans. Partially on me, as I stupidly forgot "no scum nightkill" means "no night phase" and was looking forward to a brief respite from this thread to organize thoughts and try to engage 1-on-1.

I most want to yeet Lillith. Her prodding feels artificial, she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez, and her ISO is mostly just globbing on to whatever seems to be something she can echo at the time.

l o l

loving the shade on the rest of the pool

btw this is blatantly false, I’m the only one who questioned you about your noraa townread, so not only was it something that people weren’t talking about at the time in the thread, but it’s clearly an independent train of thought from me altogether.

[lilith2013]

You’re talking about UT questioning Agars easy push are you not?

That was not my interpretation of what he said, but if that is true, it is an incredibly lame point to make. Not do I think it is even true necessarily.

Cakez has been working on his case, we’ll get it about the time the vaccine is available to the general public

Lol


Anyhow, if you can't remember anything lillith has done, isn't that more scum indicative than anything? That's my entire problem with her.

I don’t like vp’s response to this conversation with notsci. not sure exactly what about it feels off but I almost feel like his intention was never to actually engage on whether agar pushing me was easy (which it is, because I think I have the lowest number of posts out of the remaining 3) but rather just to make UT look bad

[lilith2013]

I feel like Lilith isn’t exactly a weak push, but the one I feel makes the least sense for him to push, I’d expect him to push Cakez over her, and maybe Starbuck

Why would you expect agar to push cakes first?

[lilith2013]

still want this VOTE: agar

[lilith2013]

Sometimes scummy people are just scum

Is this referring to me or agar?

[lilith2013]

agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural

That is your full reason for suspecting him?

you asked for a bullet point case, that was my one sentence TLDR. Do I think other things he’s said/done have also been scummy? yeah, but writing a full-blown thing would take more brain energy than I have. I can attempt it at some point but I ended up not being able to take vacation this week/worked over the weekend, so not a super priority for me since agar seems to be getting pushed plenty already.

VOTE: lillith

You seem to make a lot of excuses. I asked for simple bullet points, you provided one weak ass reason and then say anything more than that is a "full blown thing."

I think you've had an entire game to contribute something substantial, and you're completely background. I believe you that work is busy, but there is a point where it just comes across as a lack of motivation because no one is forcing you to contribute: a scum mentality

Is it coincidence that you vote me only after I said something bad about you what’s the difference between me and agar, who’s also talked about reasons for not being in thread and who has fewer posts than me? Do you think he’s “contributed something substantial”?

Also, why did you say that I’m supposed to be a “good” player? We’ve had 0 games together, and your PT partner also had 0 prior games with me. Where does that impression of me come from?

[lilith2013]

I feel like Lilith isn’t exactly a weak push, but the one I feel makes the least sense for him to push, I’d expect him to push Cakez over her, and maybe Starbuck

Why would you expect agar to push cakes first?

Just personal belief. Active scum goes first, passive scum can go later

Can you ELI5? Which of them are you calling active vs passive scum? By “goes” do you mean pushing or being wagoned?

But I also feel like his read on you is over-justified and padded-out because of your post count being on the low side

agreeeee

[lilith2013]

Quick catch up before I start deep diving ISOs.

agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural

What was unnatural about it?

I already talked about why I think it was a TMI read, and he contradicted himself by saying he wasn’t actually townreading noraa for the thing he said he townread her for originally.

this is a Bad Take, an Easy Yeet for Scum to Push and also Very Lazy

Same could be said about those pushing AGar.

Agar’s main point about me was that I was just pushing whatever was already being pushed in thread, which is literally not true. Why do you think he’s pushing me then, if it’s not because I’m the easiest of the remaining pool? I think he’s named me out of sheer survivalism.

You’re talking about UT questioning Agars easy push are you not?

That was not my interpretation of what he said, but if that is true, it is an incredibly lame point to make. Not do I think it is even true necessarily.

Cakez has been working on his case, we’ll get it about the time the vaccine is available to the general public

Lol


Anyhow, if you can't remember anything lillith has done, isn't that more scum indicative than anything? That's my entire problem with her.

I don’t like vp’s response to this conversation with notsci. not sure exactly what about it feels off but I almost feel like his intention was never to actually engage on whether agar pushing me was easy (which it is, because I think I have the lowest number of posts out of the remaining 3) but rather just to make UT look bad

That's quite a misrep of what happened.

Alright then, please tell me what you think happened. From where I’m standing, it doesn’t seem like vp intended to ever entertain UT’s train of thought seriously.

[lilith2013]

Sometimes scummy people are just scum

Is this referring to me or agar?

more agar but possibly you
i'm just irked by by the people today saying someone is "too easy" to push

Even in the context of why agar is scummy? I think you missed the point of the conversation

[lilith2013]

I most want to yeet Lillith. Her prodding feels artificial, she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez, and her ISO is mostly just globbing on to whatever seems to be something she can echo at the time.

Talk about this? I feel like lilith’s content has been decent at least, for what little she had

I have yet to see anything showing original thought or effort from Lillith.

already addressed this, apparently baldfaced lies fly these days

Ok Boomer Take #1: Providing observations on a set of players when asked is not "sussing" or "shading" all of those players just because it does not feature a fucking glowing "this person is town omg!" review. Jesus fucking christ, I literally said that one of the players is "a player". The other I provided a candid observation with no fucking indication of a lean. I literally said I wanted to yeet one player in that post. One. Not two, not three.... I swear to christ reading comprehension cannot be this difficult.

You made the fencesittiest post of all time that would allow you to pivot to literally anyone in the pool and with like 0 evidence of attempts to sort the people you were fencesitting on. Then you made up a reason to pick me as your favored elim.

And honestly I struggle to remember what Lilith has done this game. Could just be on me, but I had no problem with UTs line of questioning there

This. Is. Fucking. Stellar.

Galaxy brain type shit.

UT was basically saying that I am an easy push from your point of view. Why are you supporting that?

My point was and still is that it’s an easy push for agar to make. You’re saying she’s done stuff and I’m wrong- cool, whatever, I don’t remember it and am not really pushing the issue my main point is it’s a weak push from agar

Yes, the infamous "easy push" that has gotten all of *checks notes* 1 other vote and it would need 6 total. Marvelous play. I think y'all are confusing "easy push" with "push I don't like". Which, if y'all don't like it fine but say so and don't just hid behind "oh it's an easy push."

out of the remaining three, yeah I think I would have been the easiest to push if scum!you is just trying to survive, which I think is what UT was saying.

re:

1245 See Boomer Take #1. Also your one point about questioning the townread is correct, and I misremembered exchanges with Notty post-Noraa/GE, but that's literally... *checks notes* your only contribution? Questioning a townread?

I really don’t feel the need to restate things that everyone else has already said when I’m catching up, and there’s only so many things to talk about that haven’t already been talked about

please provide examples of where you’ve contributed unique and new thoughts to this game

[lilith2013]

For wording’s sake, maybe “convenient push” is a better description than “easy” but I think the point still stands. I don’t think I would have objected so much if agar had said “Lilith is my top elim choice because she has low content,” but instead he like made up a reason which I think scum!agar has to do in order to try to push the elim away from himself. Like agar had a better chance of winning a 1v1 against me at daystart compared to starbuck and cakes based on content level. I’m kind of seeing what gamma’s saying too - why isn’t agar pushing cakes here, who he’s even noted has done scummy things?

In that vein I think this quote in hindsight seems like projection, because scum!agar has to push me in order to not have to get in a 1v1 with cakes:

she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez

[lilith2013]

I think this is a better way of saying what I meant:

it doesn’t seem like vp intended to ever entertain UT’s train of thought seriously.

[lilith2013]

holiday prodging

[lilith2013]

what if i want to yeet all 3 of them?

VOTE: gamma

[lilith2013]

I think a both-scum theory actually fits pretty well with gamma (and also vp to an extent? don't remember exactly) insisting that the pool was all town

[lilith2013]

I think a both-scum theory actually fits pretty well with gamma (and also vp to an extent? don't remember exactly) insisting that the pool was all town

welcome back. why does that implicate two scums instead of just one? you should try to remember your reasoning for vp and let's talk.

I thought I recalled both of them saying that the pool was all town, which feels like a pretty easy out to not sort each other. Just went back through VP’s posts and he was actually doing some light shading at gamma towards the beginning of the day that didn’t really seem to go anywhere, then only joined the noraa wagon after she had turned on him and was being wagoned (and his desire for a gamma elim disappeared around the same time).

[lilith2013]

That’s why I asked him that question. I also couldn’t find posts explaining a scumread on gamma so like why was he voting gamma over noraa at that point?

Was this about VP? Because VP definitely put out a lot of stuff on me, though I can also see why you feel this way based on a post I'm working on covering whether people are looking for scummy behaviors or scum motivation, and VP trends hard towards the former.

see above - I found some posts that had some shade towards you but it was really not obvious to me then or during my review just now that he was scumreading you hard enough to vote you over noraa at that time. I’m not sure I even saw him mention you during the period he was calling noraa scummy, but he kept his vote on you for way longer than I would have expected from his posts

[lilith2013]

I think VP’s response to the agar wagon is equally as damning as gamma/agar interactions (like a show of resistance and then..... no defense of agar against cakes’ case), I think pooky is probably town for the lolchallenge but I don’t really care to have him in endgame or whatever it’s called now, I don’t really have a strong preference between gamma and VP being eliminated because they’re both probably scum. the end

[lilith2013]

wtf I literally said that same thing D2 and you called me scummy for it

[lilith2013]

cakes

[lilith2013]

Spoiler:

You’re talking about UT questioning Agars easy push are you not?

That was not my interpretation of what he said, but if that is true, it is an incredibly lame point to make. Not do I think it is even true necessarily.

Cakez has been working on his case, we’ll get it about the time the vaccine is available to the general public

Lol


Anyhow, if you can't remember anything lillith has done, isn't that more scum indicative than anything? That's my entire problem with her.

I don’t like vp’s response to this conversation with notsci. not sure exactly what about it feels off but I almost feel like his intention was never to actually engage on whether agar pushing me was easy (which it is, because I think I have the lowest number of posts out of the remaining 3) but rather just to make UT look bad

it doesn’t seem like vp intended to ever entertain UT’s train of thought seriously.

Sometimes scummy people are just scum

Is this referring to me or agar?

more agar but possibly you
i'm just irked by by the people today saying someone is "too easy" to push

Even in the context of why agar is scummy? I think you missed the point of the conversation

And honestly I struggle to remember what Lilith has done this game. Could just be on me, but I had no problem with UTs line of questioning there

This. Is. Fucking. Stellar.

Galaxy brain type shit.

UT was basically saying that I am an easy push from your point of view. Why are you supporting that?

My point was and still is that it’s an easy push for agar to make. You’re saying she’s done stuff and I’m wrong- cool, whatever, I don’t remember it and am not really pushing the issue my main point is it’s a weak push from agar

Yes, the infamous "easy push" that has gotten all of *checks notes* 1 other vote and it would need 6 total. Marvelous play. I think y'all are confusing "easy push" with "push I don't like". Which, if y'all don't like it fine but say so and don't just hid behind "oh it's an easy push."

out of the remaining three, yeah I think I would have been the easiest to push if scum!you is just trying to survive, which I think is what UT was saying.

For wording’s sake, maybe “convenient push” is a better description than “easy” but I think the point still stands. I don’t think I would have objected so much if agar had said “Lilith is my top elim choice because she has low content,” but instead he like made up a reason which I think scum!agar has to do in order to try to push the elim away from himself. Like agar had a better chance of winning a 1v1 against me at daystart compared to starbuck and cakes based on content level. I’m kind of seeing what gamma’s saying too - why isn’t agar pushing cakes here, who he’s even noted has done scummy things?

In that vein I think this quote in hindsight seems like projection, because scum!agar has to push me in order to not have to get in a 1v1 with cakes:

she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez

i think agar is scummy but honestly not liking lilith's reaction here too much

[lilith2013]

agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural

That is your full reason for suspecting him?

you asked for a bullet point case, that was my one sentence TLDR. Do I think other things he’s said/done have also been scummy? yeah, but writing a full-blown thing would take more brain energy than I have. I can attempt it at some point but I ended up not being able to take vacation this week/worked over the weekend, so not a super priority for me since agar seems to be getting pushed plenty already.

VOTE: lillith

You seem to make a lot of excuses. I asked for simple bullet points, you provided one weak ass reason and then say anything more than that is a "full blown thing."

I think you've had an entire game to contribute something substantial, and you're completely background. I believe you that work is busy, but there is a point where it just comes across as a lack of motivation because no one is forcing you to contribute: a scum mentality

this post is like so bad

I agree especially in light of Agar scum and lilith being the counterwagon

This is gross, you said this while simultaneously shading gamma for wanting to elim VP. and this directly contradicts you supposedly scumreading me

[lilith2013]

Notsci has the case here ask him

oh yeah it's totally a genuine read that cakes can explain that justifies instavoting me.. yep

[lilith2013]

VOTE: lilith

need to read vpb's iso. cakez has seemed really town to me but that^ bullshit is fucking unreal and very +scum.

??? do you have a reason for voting me? at least other people on my wagon have given reasons (however shitty). I don't think you've even mentioned a read on me.

[lilith2013]

Lilith or Pooky bussed Agar
(Baltar, Koba, Bulge) off Agar wagon
^most of these people were on Noraa wagon

So this is looking like a decent scum pool to me

why are you only looking at people on noraa's wagon and not gamma's?

pedit: sure, will do a thing once I'm caught up

[lilith2013]

lack of momentum towards bulge implies lilith is not scum btw

Who are the people you'd expect to be moving here? Besides myself

If you think I'm scum, then presumably you'd expect my partners to be trying to create a counterwagon and divert attention from me? Doesn't look like you've considered that at all though

[lilith2013]

agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural

That is your full reason for suspecting him?

you asked for a bullet point case, that was my one sentence TLDR. Do I think other things he’s said/done have also been scummy? yeah, but writing a full-blown thing would take more brain energy than I have. I can attempt it at some point but I ended up not being able to take vacation this week/worked over the weekend, so not a super priority for me since agar seems to be getting pushed plenty already.

Reading lillith (again), and I'm really trying to determine how genuine her gripes with Agar were. I still think it is kind of weird she scum read him extremely confidently because he said noraa looked townie for her flailing. I think several people felt noraa could have been town in that situation. At one point, lillith says it's because Agar town read norra for the flail fight, but not gamma. Which, ok, I could *maybe* see someone thinking that. But then again, that also presumes you read people perfectly symmetrically, which is rarely the case.

IDK, lillith just comes to a very strong conclusion on very scant evidence, imo. Doesn't mean she has to be scum there, but it bugged me then and it still bugs me more now as being possible TMI (which is what she accused Agar of, coincidentally).

I noticed on this reread that lillith hasn't hardly interacted with Cakez at all in thread. Lillith, what's your read on Cakez?

Agar's reaction to the noraa/gamma argument just felt like he had assigned a townread and a scumread to whoever, when imo both noraa and gamma had very similar reactions. I mean, sure, people aren't going to read others perfectly symmetrically, but that post stuck out to me because I didn't really feel like he articulated why one was town and not the other based on their argument. Then later, I thought I caught something that felt contradictory - he said originally that he townread noraa for her reaction to arguing with gamma; then he said that he didn't townread her for it; and since the original post had stuck in my mind, when he said the second thing later I had kind of a lightbulb moment. I don't think it mattered as much whether he was townreading noraa or not for that, but that he directly contradicted himself about his read on her. I have no idea if it was actually AI in hindsight/whether I just happened to be on a correct wagon for the wrong reason or whether that was actually a scummy thing I caught him doing.

I gave cakes a pass early on, but I think it was because I felt guilty for not being in the pt/being a more active partner. He really doesn't seem to have made much attempt to sort me and then came out and instavoted me today and can't even give reasons for it/doesn't really seem to have put thought into that read. Also in retrospect, I think it's possible Agar was avoiding getting into a 1v1 with cakes because he didn't want two main wagons of the day being both on scum. With a gamma townflip, I think it's worth paying attention to gamma and noraa both scumreading him too.

[lilith2013]

shit I got distracted lol

with all of that said, I'm most down for a cakes elim today from the pool. you, bulge, and notsci are pretty null for me, pooky is probably town, I think ut and reck are town, so I think vp/cakes/{one of you/bulge/notsci} is the remaining team

[lilith2013]

dammit I didn’t even get to vote him!!

VOTE: cakes I’m on it in spirit (◕‸ ◕✿)

[lilith2013]

sorry audit season hit hard and also sick blah blah blah, I’ll try to be coherent later

[lilith2013]

I've decided for my mental wellbeing to start posting more frequently and less carefully this game. let's shotgun some mf reads!!!!!!

ut town reck probably also
notty town
pooky town
vp town
koba scum?
lilith scum

Can you explain... any of these?

[lilith2013]

Trying to parse koba vs notsci but I feel like my brain has imploded. Can someone ELI5 or am I just dumb and need to reread it when I’m less sleep deprived

[lilith2013]

it's kind of weird that notsci is voting me but I can't recall him actually pushing for my elim today? and I feel like I remember thinking similar things about his votes on D1 and D3 when we had elims on town, which makes me think maybe he is trying to stay off the town elims more than he is actually trying to push his scumreads, and that would mean today's wagon is on a town!bulge. That would also fit with koba's theory of TMI, which I still don't totally understand but I believe that they believed what they were saying.

I'm not sure if I'm thinking about this right because my head is killing me

[lilith2013]

I've decided for my mental wellbeing to start posting more frequently and less carefully this game. let's shotgun some mf reads!!!!!!

ut town reck probably also
notty town
pooky town
vp town
koba scum?
lilith scum

Can you explain... any of these?

hi

[lilith2013]

hi Titus!

If Bulge flips town, the resistance from the wagon most likely is scum driven

what does this mean? wouldn't a wagon on town be easier to push through than one on scum?

[lilith2013]

I just wanted to hang out with my friends and instead I rolled scum D:

[lilith2013]

I just wanted to hang out with my friends and instead I rolled scum D:

How dare u roll scum and betray me like this

(◕‸ ◕✿) let’s just stick to hydraing

[lilith2013]