Micro 988: 09:12 [Game Over]

[bugspray]

VOTE: kyoko
See scum
Vote scum
Eliminate scum

Kyoko's posts feel like someone who is trying so desperately to have a scum read with the knowledge that everyone they sr is town. A red flip on the slot would also possibly clear horsewoman assuming they aren't doing some wacko SvS thearer.

Also I'm disappointed that nobody is giving be credit for ending rvs on issue

[bugspray]

Credit for ending rvs by crating the datisi wagon page 1

[Gamma Emerald]

i apologise if that looked like a personal attack. i don't even think your posts came from a place of being dumb, i think you were just grasping for something to move out of RVS with. which as i said is a good and mildly town thing to do.

I kinda like this mindset starting out

And I'm not a usual player. You will see me use terms like that (opportunistic, desperate, ...) a lot and against everyone even my town reads. Being opportunistic is also not a scumtell.

What makes a scumtell a real one is a story you can make with all these clues when you gather them all.

I’m glad you are someone who thinks like this. I feel like the vast majority of players don’t realize how much scumtells like these can come from town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hullo! I'm happy to be playing mafia with all of you. I'm town and this message is true, trust me and I might trust you.

VOTE: gimli son of gloin bit late to be entering the thread without anything substantive

I have no idea where to go with page 1, although I'm sure it's all very alignment indicative stuff, so let me write this out. At first I really liked #14 from kyoko as a mildly town post, as she is coming right out of the gate with suspicion, but the more I read the post the less I understand where it's coming from. Why is datisi voting ythan not being "random" a bad thing? Of course it's not random as it was a reaction to something posted in the thread. I don't understand where ythan's #13 felt desperate or informed. horsewoman's #16 feels out of place as a defense of datisi's posting and it's a pretty curious thing to be defending something as 'obviously random' when the accusation of not being random doesn't mean anything in itself and the vote was a reaction to something ITT aka not random. In that light I really like #17 from ythan as it mirrors my thoughts on horsewoman's post.

is this a bad time to butt in and say that my vote was obviously *not* random?

Exactly.

VOTE: horsewoman

Hm.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think scum is among those pushing Horsewoman at this point. I think Horsewoman has shown mild town thought process and don’t like the feeling I get from the followers of Kyoko on there.

[bugspray]

I think scum is among those pushing Horsewoman at this point. I think Horsewoman has shown mild town thought process and don’t like the feeling I get from the followers of Kyoko on there.

Big if true this gives us a small PoE pool to catch at least one scum. This kind of PoE being available d1 is amazing +)

[Gimli]

can't post properly anymore today but my thought processes are completely independent and have nothing to do with kyoko's posts

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gimli
Idk where that last post came from but it looks a mite defensive.

[Gimli]

it's defensive - a defense from your implications, I thought you would know where it came from, so it seems to me you're playing dumb.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well yeah, but to be specific, you were responding to a point I wasn’t entirely making. When I said “following Kyoko” I meant in a sense of time, not that you followed her reasoning.

[Gimli]

I'm not in your head

[Datisi]

horsewoman/bugspray/gimli town?

superbowl maybe scum?

VOTE: superbowl

[Datisi]

I think scum is among those pushing Horsewoman at this point. I think Horsewoman has shown mild town thought process and don’t like the feeling I get from the followers of Kyoko on there.

gamma, can you talk to me more about this? like, explain / be a bit more specific?

[Gimli]

@gamma: to be clear, kyoko isn't horsewoman's original bandwagoner and the only person following her in any sense was me cause my vote came after her vote in thread. so you implied me with your posts anyway, and then when I had to respond something cause you forced that you were like 'idk where that response came from'. but you do and #84 is proof. that's why I said you were playing dumb, cause you were.

[Gimli]

I need to stop opening this game or I can't do anything. I'm here tomorrow xoxo

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like despite not voting Super Bowl qualifies as a bandwagoner. He essentially passed the buck to Kyoko on qualifying that read.I feel like that comes from scum more often than not, really. But your response kinda seemed like you thought I was homing in on you with that, so I felt like you deserved voting. I feel like the honest thing to do was to press me on who I felt it was. I’m not dead set rn, but I think until further notice I’ll keep my vote where it’s at.

[bugspray]

gamma and kyoko have good partner equity imo. the post i quoted with big if true is a big part of why. i see it as strategic partial deflection

ok hectic seeya tomorrow <3

pedit wow thats kinda fence sitt-y but also i need to go read super bowl's posts again

[Kyoko Kirigiri~]

Kyoko's posts feel like someone who is trying so desperately to have a scum read with the knowledge that everyone they sr is town. A red flip on the slot would also possibly clear horsewoman assuming they aren't doing some wacko SvS thearer.

The first part of this is a good read. You say I'm trying hard to make arguments going and you think that can be scummy and a tell that I'm informed.

The second part of this isn't a good read at all since it's an "association read". It's a fallacy to use "my imaginary flip" to justify your vote on me this early in the day and feels fake.

Now the question is, what do you think about "horsewoman" without that association read and based on their own content?

[Kyoko Kirigiri~]

Whats up gamma! Whats up bugspray! Whats up everyone else!

I would like to add a supporting voice to kyoko’s general view on the game, reading the first 3 pages i think we have similar mindsets. Im gonna fos horsewoman until someone tells me i can vote because im too lazy to count

This is such a hard "cookie"

I don't like "cookies" without "coffee", please

make your own reads and content so I can evaluate you

[Kyoko Kirigiri~]

I Like Datisis way of engaging with the game - feels unbiased and transparent

[Kyoko Kirigiri~]

also forgot to respond to this

Page 1:
Kyoko I know you have your

detective

thing you do but can you not turn the entire game into that? It reads as forced when you’re looking at early joke posts like they’re hard evidence.

I'm actually sad that you're the only one who realized the "role play" I was doing The thing is I'm not that far from the character personally. I will promise to not let it become confusing or forced though.

[bugspray]

Kyoko's posts feel like someone who is trying so desperately to have a scum read with the knowledge that everyone they sr is town. A red flip on the slot would also possibly clear horsewoman assuming they aren't doing some wacko SvS thearer.

The first part of this is a good read. You say I'm trying hard to make arguments going and you think that can be scummy and a tell that I'm informed.

The second part of this isn't a good read at all since it's an "association read". It's a fallacy to use "my imaginary flip" to justify your vote on me this early in the day and feels fake.

Now the question is, what do you think about "horsewoman" without that association read and based on their own content?

What you are engaging is called the fallacy fallacy in which instead of refuting an argument or idea you simply say it has a fallacy and pretend that refutes it. It is possible and not uncommon to come to a correct conclusion using a fallacy. I did not use a fallacy to justify my vote.

In addition you are misrepresenting the intent of my vote. The first half which you agreed is a good read is why I am voting you. The second half is an observation that while horsewoman is not very townish it seems unlikely that she would be scum partners with you barring SvS theater. I am voting you because I strongly believe that you are scum and your defensive, misrepresentative, and deflective reply only makes me more confident in this read.

[superbowl9]

I feel like despite not voting Super Bowl qualifies as a bandwagoner. He essentially passed the buck to Kyoko on qualifying that read.I feel like that comes from scum more often than not, really. But your response kinda seemed like you thought I was homing in on you with that, so I felt like you deserved voting. I feel like the honest thing to do was to press me on who I felt it was. I’m not dead set rn, but I think until further notice I’ll keep my vote where it’s at.

Yes I am bandwagoning. To say that blatant bandwagoning comes from scum more than town is false

[Kyoko Kirigiri~]

Kyoko's posts feel like someone who is trying so desperately to have a scum read with the knowledge that everyone they sr is town. A red flip on the slot would also possibly clear horsewoman assuming they aren't doing some wacko SvS thearer.

The first part of this is a good read. You say I'm trying hard to make arguments going and you think that can be scummy and a tell that I'm informed.

The second part of this isn't a good read at all since it's an "association read". It's a fallacy to use "my imaginary flip" to justify your vote on me this early in the day and feels fake.

Now the question is, what do you think about "horsewoman" without that association read and based on their own content?

What you are engaging is called the fallacy fallacy in which instead of refuting an argument or idea you simply say it has a fallacy and pretend that refutes it. It is possible and not uncommon to come to a correct conclusion using a fallacy. I did not use a fallacy to justify my vote.

In addition you are misrepresenting the intent of my vote. The first half which you agreed is a good read is why I am voting you. The second half is an observation that while horsewoman is not very townish it seems unlikely that she would be scum partners with you barring SvS theater. I am voting you because I strongly believe that you are scum and your defensive, misrepresentative, and deflective reply only makes me more confident in this read.

I didn't refute the idea cause it can't be refuted. I was indeed poking multiple people and pushing arguments around. It's on rest of town to figure out if it was from town me or scum me.

And I didn't commit a fallacy fallacy. I didn't say since your read is bad it's wrong. I know it's wrong - but that's irrelevant since the rest of town can't know it. But that doesn't make such a read not bad. What I said was for this reason that If you're town, your confidence is misplaced so I hope you will not base the rest of your today's reads based on an assumption that I will flip red cause that will be a waste of time.

[bugspray]

then who is the scum if it's not you? imo gamma is a lil sus