Guns & Roses V [Game Over]

[Bell]

And I'm pretty sure it's just cause she's our next mis-elimination.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not convinced, 1 or more of those deaths weren’t 100% scum-directed

[Tanner]

room temperature take: VOTE: johnnyfarrar

< insert disagreement about massclaiming today here >

[DrippingGoofball]

Who'd you shoot btw, DGB?

Nobody

But you softed N1 gun HARD
:fry_leer:

I lied.

[Umlaut]

room temperature take: VOTE: johnnyfarrar

< insert disagreement about massclaiming today here >

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

I can get behind this, his ISO is pretty much empty.

Can someone give me a synopsis of the important things that happened yesterday so I don't have to feel bad about not reading?

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: Johnny Farrar

[Dunnstral]

We should massclaim tomorrow, here's my reasoning:

There are enough roses alive to where mafia cannot win the game by shooting a rose every night. They can try, but the game will end naturally before that point.
We have setup information. There are 6 town roses alive. Make mafia claim to be a rose or a gun. Make them claim what night and where they shot, if they're a gun.

This will split the player list in two, and we'll know how many mafia are on each side.

One rose died at night, we're fine

I have been thinking about this a lot. For starters, ABR was a mafia kill. Uncrowned could have been either.

Sell me on this a little more. There's 11 people in this game, I am town so for the purposes of this, I'm taking it out of 10 (this works for everyone in their own position). If there's 6 roses, that leaves 4 gun. That's a 50/50 shot. I like those odds especially with my reads. If there's 7 roses, that leaves 3 gun. That's a 1/3. I don't like those odds and now we have a pool of 5/2. If there's 8 roses, that leaves 2 guns - both confirmed town. Those have a target on their head for the rest of the game but are useful today only based on how mafia plays (additionally at least one of these guns has potentially already shot their shot). Lastly, if there's 5 roses, that confirms all 5 roses as town, mafia is now in a potential auto-loss position. Therefore, they'd absolutely never take this stance.

My concern is that I can't be the only one who has thought this far. The optimal here is that we get 6 roses but that is only based off of scum playing sub-optimal. The other scenarios are heavily scum-sided.

How is it scum-sided, though?

How is it worse than not claiming?

[Bell]

Not convinced, 1 or more of those deaths weren’t 100% scum-directed

Until someone says otherwise, they are.

[Gamma Emerald]

Valid
What scum kills those 2 players, though?

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually my base inclination might be to sus Akarin for the Uncrowned kill

[Bell]

Valid
What scum kills those 2 players, though?

Dunstral, Gun, Akarin, DGB, you.
Might ask or direct for any of those. Other scum players might be conscientious about it.

Look at the number of posts I have in this game. Do I seem like I don't want to be here.

[Bell]

I'm also fairly certain that scum would want to front load on guns. Getting rid of problematic players asap just sounds like good play to me.
I realize the fact I'm not dead, might say something about the quality of my reads.
But more likely than not has more to do with being wagoned by a bunch of folk.

I don't think I'm going to be votable anymore though. Unless this town is truly bad.

[Gamma Emerald]

Valid
What scum kills those 2 players, though?

Dunstral, Gun, Akarin, DGB, you.
Might ask or direct for any of those. Other scum players might be conscientious about it.

Look at the number of posts I have in this game. Do I seem like I don't want to be here.

Post count isn’t indicative of alignment preference, just see how much Noraa posts in her scumgames.

[Bell]

All my scum games has significantly lower post counts than my town games. Because I have difficulty processing the game.
I might shit post to inflate, but my shit post to thinking post ratio is about right for me here. Also, my scum game is so bad I don't even know how to play day 2.

[Bell]

Enough self-meta though.
someone else post something.

[DrippingGoofball]

ABR suspected Dunnstral the most.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay. Talk about those killer suspects maybe? I agree on Akarin and can see Dunn, but DGB seems questionable for the ABR kill since they’re in similar boats.

[Bell]

It's a familiarity fear thing. I'm not great on NK analysis and don't plan to think about it too hard.

[Bell]

Just hard enough to know that in general, my reads are correctish in terms of TR's and the scum team is thinking along similar lines.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay. What about Gun, what’s her motive?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ayyyy Johnny wagon

[Bell]

Some crumbs/implications about being able to read ABR later down the line. But otherwise clean when I thought more.

[Gamma Emerald]

By the way I fully expect to become obvtown Day 3

[DrippingGoofball]

Okay. Talk about those killer suspects maybe? I agree on Akarin and can see Dunn, but DGB seems questionable for the ABR kill since they’re in similar boats.

It wasn't me, though.

Maybe someone wasn't paying attention to my posts? Maybe my bluff wasn't blatant enough?

[Gamma Emerald]

I was saying you didn’t seem like scum for those kills in that post