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[Hench Princesses]

even if he's out of shots I'd be fine with bringing gamma here to be on him, I understand the "thinning the pool" argument but gamma's broken his scumrange like 3 times already I'm pretty sure and I doubt deb's scum either which makes that slot basically the only readable slot in that thread. there's scum either in whoever was shading him or whoever was casually okay with him being pushed at start of this day

[Annie Edison]

There’s also the whole “only a bp in that timeline” thing.

[Hench Princesses]

wait I thought he was a bodyguard in this timeline, not a bp in that timeline, did I miss his claim?

[Spiffeh]

I was going to go through Almost50's ISO and quote all the posts that had a lot of words without having any meaning

But that would be pretty much the entire ISO

I get the reason people want him to be turnstiled instead but I really just want him to die and I feel like that will be delayed in the other thread

[Spiffeh]

Specifically his posts after acknowledging shelly's claim feel like he's coaxing the wagon along without having to commit any feelings toward it

[Spiffeh]

OK, so let me ask the more experienced mods amongst you about this:

Cop/Tracker/Follower/Watcher/Voyeur/Motion Detector

How many of those would you include in a game like this?

Like this is a completely useless thing to ask because we don't know anything about the make-up of the scum team so it's fruitless to try and outguess what info roles town would have

[Bell]

I have zero objections to A50 lim.

[Annie Edison]

@hench he’s a bodyguard only over there.

[Spiffeh]

If I had my druthers I would want Muffin turnstiled and A50 limmed

[Spiffeh]

OK, so let me ask the more experienced mods amongst you about this:

Cop/Tracker/Follower/Watcher/Voyeur/Motion Detector

How many of those would you include in a game like this?

Like this is a completely useless thing to ask because we don't know anything about the make-up of the scum team so it's fruitless to try and outguess what info roles town would have

To be clear A50 made this response after being informed that shelly claimed follower

[Spiffeh]

Gamma I asked that question because I wasn't thrilled with everyone chiming in about that ~theory~ and feel that anyone that genuinely thinks that should be held accountable by naming names

And it helped me get a read on Something_Smart I didn't have previously so I think it was a very fruitful endeavor!

[SirCakez]

Elimination Votecount 2.1

Hench Princesses (2) - Titus, Annie Edison
zMuffinMan (1) - Spiffeh

Not voting (7) - Dunnstral, Almost50, Hench Princesses, Bell, Brian Skies, Gypyx, zMuffinMan

(expired on 2021-01-04 12:54:00) remain until day end

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Turnstile Votecount 2.1

Almost50 (1) - Annie Edison

Not voting (9) - Dunnstral, Titus, Spiffeh, Almost50, Hench Princesses, Bell, Brian Skies, Gypyx, zMuffinMan

(expired on 2021-01-04 12:54:00) remain until day end

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Purple Room Votecount 2.1

Spiffeh (3) - Annie Edison, Bell, Spiffeh
Annie Edison (1) - Titus

Not voting (6) - Dunnstral, Almost50, Hench Princesses, Brian Skies, Gypyx, zMuffinMan

(expired on 2021-01-04 12:54:00) remain until day end

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to reach a majority.

[Hench Princesses]

If I had my druthers I would want Muffin turnstiled and A50 limmed

but does that thread deserve muffin's humor even if he is scum?

[Bell]

Hey, Skitter, Why is HP Scum

[Dunnstral]

Cabd said table it.

I’ll revisit later.

OK, cool.

Then onto today:

I've skimmed the other side and choose to believe what Deacon is saying about what Imperium was saying

VOTE: Purple Room - Spiffeh

Right now, I do not suspect Hench Princesses. I don't have an opinion of a50 or muffin

[Bell]

That's day 1 reasoning Skitter.
We're on day 2.

[Dunnstral]

Skitter, who should they elim in your thread?

[Bell]

Also, they like, voted everyone.

[Hench Princesses]

- fake mason thing with fl, i think they were trying to pocket him

- dislike how they were characterizing me and pushing me

- titus is fairly obvtown, so i also hate that push

- every time i look at your thread and see their posts, i think they're scummy

I'm glad you asked, I knew 2 was a big one for skitter. 3 is weird to me. I don't get why skitter thinks I thought titus was scum? I'm also pretty skeptical of the idea that Titus is obvtown when, even if she is townreadable, she is definitely not hitting certain 'benchmarks' of her town meta, something NS observed at EoD1 as well. Even if you read her as town there was plenty of room to do sorting there yesterday.

In regard to 4 --

If skitter's townreading me she's probably scum, I haven't really looked over there recently tho

I have a hard time reconciling point 2 with point 4, which makes it harder to evaluate skitter for me. largely because I can't separate her ego-driven cognitive dissonance from scum motivation cognitive dissonance. she's just as likely to scumread me for saying she can't read me as town as scum so I don't think that's an effective way to catch her.

if skitter's scum this is team mafia skitter, if skitter's town I could point to the towngame but that would out my main, she's certainly inside her range for either alignment at this point. I have no meaningful read of her

if any part of her case is fake and scummy though, it would be her thinking my push on titus was scummy, everything else is NAI. but that's also explainable by her just not really paying attention to me and most of her read being 'a take'

[Hench Princesses]

I don't think I've ever voted muffin or A50, which means there's still a chance I literally never voted scum this game, but unfortunately I didn't really think voting there would have made either slot more readable

[Hench Princesses]

Oh hey A50's at 0 votes. I don't actually want a wagon on him yet until he posts... something resembling content, unless he continues to just pointedly not do that, but due diligence:

VOTE: A50

[Hench Princesses]

Skitter, Peta has pushed me, Gamma, and Boon, three of the most easily townreadable players in the game, all of which are players sometimes get down and dirty in it. His wall on Gamma was scummy, his case on Boon was scummy, his shading of Boon as town was scummy, his takes have been bad, if he is town he is certainly *playing* like an open wolf. He is actively attacking the *actual* townblocks in the game and succeeding in getting them flipped. If he is town then he has transparently scumsided in his actual play. As I said, flip him or vig him, but he's bad for the other thread one way or the other. He is pushing town that do things that scum think they can push, not scum.

[Hench Princesses]

@hp once again, i dont know what ur talking abr wrt me and my meta, i have like three guesses but i dont think any quite fit what you're saying so i'm kinda ignoring that

I literally don't know how you can both not care but also have that as the #2 reason you're scumreading me, that one point was literally my entire issue with your slot yesterday which you spun into a narrative that I was opposing you getting sent here, a point you continued to return to when *I* did not really get to make that decision, the people in your thread did. Why are you trying to blame the people in this thread for a mechanical decision you failed to convince the people in *your* thread to embrace?

[Hench Princesses]

This was bad for a few reasons, but primarily because it felt like they were trying to setup a peta push upon a town!fl flip, and i dont really believe hp actually believes most of this. Like it sounds good, but its kinda nonsense that they actually think that with that post peta was trying to set fl up as a viable wagon because a) that would have been a bizarre af take for scum!peta to have in the gamestate at the time b) there's no reason for scum!peta to have that belief at the time

do you seriously think everyone pushing boon as scum/not town was town? There was scum on the wagon skitter. If you + peta + bowl are all town, then scum have their work cut out for them in that thread

scum peta absolutely has reasons to push boon/allow boon's flip, why do you believe *peta* believed his boon case or his gamma case? they were both awful

[Hench Princesses]

yeah actually I'm confusing bowl and peta a little bit, I don't even know how actually they don't even have similar isos, I think it was more seeing peta's boon case reminded me of bowl's gamma case in the sense that they were both awful