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unwnd · Post Post #1650 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:43 pm

I looked at deadline and I think it's unlikely that I get a flip onto andres, and while I'm not a fan of Johnny I don't think Johnny/Nopoint are hedging their bets on a double fake-claim, rather one of them is again

Just making use of a bad situation. My bias based on how I've felt about nopoint and the fact he's actively ignored me despite my inquiries make me think he's a better lim

VOTE: nopoint

Andresvmb · Post Post #1651 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:49 pm

1615 is all levels of terrible. Not saying it’s coming from Scum. It’s just bad.

Andresvmb · Post Post #1652 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:56 pm

Okay I’m caught up. I’m actually relatively optimistic. I think we have a decent chance of solving this game.

Some thoughts:
There being an Enabler does not mean that the Role is present. It could be a distraction. Since it fits with the structure of the game however, it is possible that they are all Town.
I was heavily discounting my initial read of shellyc/Noraa coming into today because I trusted plusJOYED’s POV. But maybe I’m discounting my thoughts too much. It also helps that I TR Flavor, and think they’re right.
I don’t appreciate what Insanoflex is doing. I wasn’t the only person not “driving the game” in a particular direction. No one was. That’s why there wasn’t a majority D1. It’s a silly argument. I also have a feeling as to why it’s happening - with all the Claims, the pool is narrowing. Pushing suspicion onto a player in the unclaimed pool makes sense from a Scum perspective.
There is a world where nopoint is Town, and unwnd is taking advantage of the situation as Scum.

Andresvmb · Post Post #1653 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:57 pm

For all I know, I can’t ready Fuzzy for shit, and Johnny is just Town.

Andresvmb · Post Post #1654 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:00 pm

I’m not voting amongst {Dunn, Not_Mafia, plusJOYED, Flavor} today. I think geraintm has been too weak and distracted. I’ve seen more fire from them even when they were unwilling to vote any which way.

@plus, I think if nopoint flips Town, consider unwnd instead of Johnny.

Andresvmb · Post Post #1655 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:05 pm

A {Noraa, unwnd, Insano} Scum Team would be interesting.

Andresvmb · Post Post #1656 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:10 pm

VOTE: Insanoflex

Andresvmb · Post Post #1657 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:12 pm

Updated view of the game:

Town
{Titus [Town Cop Enabler]}
Strong Lean Town
{Dunnstral [Cop Claim], Not_Mafia [Checked Town]}
Lean Town
{plusJOYED [Vig Claim, Shot Titus N1], Flavor Leaf [Vig Enabler]}
Slight Lean Town
{JohnnyFarrar [Complex Neighborizer]}
Neutral
{Geraintm, TheFuzzyLogic99 [Vanilla Town Claim]}
Slight Lean Scum
{Unwnd, shellyc/Noraa, nopointinactingup [Watcher Enabler]}
Lean Scum
{Hank Spankems/Insanoflex [1-Shot Loyal Bodyguard Claim]}

Andresvmb · Post Post #1658 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:15 pm

I moved Johnny aggressively because I think I was wrong there. Johnny is being passive. But they have consistently been questioning shellyc/Noraa. When I asked for a solve for example, they had Hank/Shellyc. They clearly have some ability to Neighborize. I don’t think both Johnny/nopoint are Scum. I think that would be strange.

I’m having a real hard time reading nopoint. Discrediting Flavor’s Claim was a bad look, and even more so now that plus is claiming Vig. But there’s something off about there being so much agreement about nopoint being the execution. Either there’s a lot of bussing, or the Scum are getting away with something here.

Andresvmb · Post Post #1659 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:16 pm

Alright well it’s Christmas and it’s 3am where I’m at. I’ll check this in the morning. You have my views now, and I’m caught up.

nopointinactingup · Post Post #1660 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:31 pm

Unwd I haven’t been trying to avoid you you haven’t given me chance to respond to you

nopointinactingup · Post Post #1661 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:33 pm

If no one is claiming watcher then I just think it’s possibly a scum role. An enabler heavy set up with 3 pairs of enabler - PR, one town-town, one town-scum and one scum-town makes sense to me

nopointinactingup · Post Post #1662 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:38 pm

In post 1658, Andresvmb wrote: I’m having a real hard time reading nopoint. Discrediting Flavor’s Claim was a bad look, and even more so now that plus is claiming Vig. But there’s something off about there being so much agreement about nopoint being the execution. Either there’s a lot of bussing, or the Scum are getting away with something here.

I’m not at all surprised at this. I’m introverted and not a native speaker so people wil often find me scummy, whether contrived or not

nopointinactingup · Post Post #1663 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:43 pm

The possibility of Johnny scum does exist, I originally thought neighboriZers are confirmed town role, even when it is not Johnny has not tried to influence me to do anything and I think that’s town af

nopointinactingup · Post Post #1664 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:45 pm

Fuzzy could be doing this to distance from my lynch and avoid a vig shot btw, definitely look there once I flip

nopointinactingup · Post Post #1665 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:48 pm

@andres: my scum read on Nora is not entirely from association with FL. It’s an unfair misrepresentation when I’ve been scum reading Shelly all game and Noraa has only continued to make the arguments Shelly did

nopointinactingup · Post Post #1666 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:51 pm

Also why wouldn’t I discredit FL’s claim as an enabler myself. 3 town enabler is very unlikely to me

geraintm · Post Post #1667 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:32 pm

VOTE: unwnd
Been trying to work out where i wanted to vote after my initial read got kiboshed. Think I am happy here at the moment.
Holidays so doing best to keep on top of things, people in this game have more knowledge than me. There must be more stuff out there too if the death last night was not scum aligned....

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #1668 (ISO) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:29 pm

VOTE: Nopoint

Aight. end this day. vig noraa.

innocentvillager · Post Post #1669 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:08 am

Vote count 2.07

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2020-12-28 12:19:38).

elimination

2. Andresvmb [0]:

3. unwnd [2]:

Not_Mafia#1558, geraintm#1667

4. Flavor Leaf [0]:

5. Insanoflex [1]:

Andresvmb#1656

6. Noraa [2]:

nopointinactingup#1344, JohnnyFarrar#1613

7. PlusJOYED [0]:

8. Not_Mafia [0]:

9. JohnnyFarrar [1]:

Noraa#1522

10. geraintm [0]:

11. TheFuzzyLogic99 [0]:

12. Dunnstral [0]:

13. nopointinactingup [4]:

PlusJOYED#1292, Insanoflex#1577, unwnd#1650, Flavor Leaf#1668

no elimination [0]:

Not Voting [2]:

Dunnstral#1418, TheFuzzyLogic99#1564

mod notes~ happy holidays
~ unwnd V/LA
~ TheFuzzyLogic99 V/LA through Christmas

Spoiler: vote log

Noraa · Post Post #1670 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:32 am

In post 1616, unwnd wrote:FL loves to hear himself talk.

This is a very good way to put it.

Noraa · Post Post #1671 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:35 am

In post 1628, Andresvmb wrote:Flavor I was defending your play from D1 because I didn’t feel it was Scummy. I’m a bit concerned that you might be shoving Noraa aside and aggressively attacking the slot so they lose credibility. But beyond that, it seemed quite personal, and a bit unnecessary? You know I have respect for your game, but waving your experience in people’s faces doesn’t make for a pleasant in-game experience.

+1

OML finally some reasonable voices have emerged from within this chaos.

Noraa · Post Post #1672 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:36 am

In post 1631, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1348, Flavor Leaf wrote:is that 4 votes on Noraa?

Meh.

Plusjoyed probably scum, Johnny probably town.
There’s one thing about plusJOYED that I’ll say. I recall feeling very disconnected with plusJOYED when we were both Town, and we exchanged SRs, and I also remember thinking that they were very wrong. I was partly right, but overly harsh. I’m finding myself this game wanting to trust plus. Which maybe should give me pause? Like plus is making some sense, but it’s also a decently strong defense of shellyc/Noraa that I’m having trouble fighting against. Though it’s also based on an interpretation of the NK, which isn’t reliable.

I’ll agree that if Noraa flips Scum, then look at plus and Johnny is probably Town. I think you’re Town.

I don’t trust nopoint’s attacks on your Claim in particular. I would be fine with nopoint making arguments about your playstyle more, or how your perspective doesn’t make sense. But it’s a very narrow focus, and one which helps avoid contradictions or too much scrutiny.

uh no. you don't shade conftown.

Noraa · Post Post #1673 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:37 am

In post 1632, Andresvmb wrote:I’m like having all these thoughts all flow to me at the same time.

Geraintm has been too useless. Plus is making too much sense. Oh and I’m with you that there’s something off about Fuzzy. Admitting to trying to coast don’t give me positive vibes. You’re seeing it as Town. I’m weakening my read there for sure.

Oh this is actually scary. I think fuzzy admitted to coasting in their last scum game :/
I need to actually go back and check this.

Noraa · Post Post #1674 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:42 am

In post 1634, Andresvmb wrote:This is a Scummy vote. This is essentially shade by association? Do I have that right?

Agree that its scummy as hell.

If Nopo and Johnny are both scum, I'm actually gonna be mad.
Lets flip nopo and if he flips scum, the team is legit Nopo/Johnny/someone else.
imma be so damn sad they left me out.

I'm pretty goddamn convinced Johnny is scum. Nopo I don't know that well. I just know he is extremely good at spotting prs. Like GOD TIER. That could easily explain the Titus kill but I'm afraid I'm stepping into confbiasing world.

Regardless, since no watcher has claimed, it either doesn't exist or is scum. We lose nothing from elimming nopo today even if worst case scenario, he is town.

I think I'm starting to fully believe a nopo/Johnny team now ngl.

Nopo also said he could semi clear Johnny. Like .... uh wtf. I think he said that bc he originally was gonna fake claim something else.

All on all, Nopo is the biggest cw to my shitty asf wagon. He's scummy. His role isn't useful.
Choo Choo.

VOTE: Nopo