Mini Normal 2187: PIFiMDM [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.04

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-01-04 23:00:00).

execution

Papa Zito [3]:

NoPowerOverMe, Hayker, Kazyan

NoPowerOverMe [3]:

Papa Zito,

Dannflor

, Elements

Elements [2]:

ben dover123, Alchemist21

Lunar Martian [2]:

Gamma Emerald, PenguinPower

Dannflor

[1]:

Lunar Martian

Not voting [2]:

HeWhoSwims, 2ndchosen1

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~ penguinpower v/la for a few days

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[Hayker]

Alchemist, I'm curious about your current thoughts on Elements. You voted him early on , asking him about their post, and havent seemed to elaborate much on the subject since then.

[Papa Zito]

It just seemed a bit of conspicuous timing for him to come in like that. He posted 2 things others had posted as well, which seems like trying to fit in but not knowing how so he just emulated other people.

I like this. VOTE: Lunar Martian

btw I've noticed a lot of new lingo. Apologies in advance if I accidentally use archaic terms.

[Elements]

VOTE: Lunar Martian

[ben dover123]

I think that's what LM is trying to do, he had a really hard time fitting in with us in 2043.
I can agree that adding in the page count is rather awkward from LM's end, however the awkwardness from trying to fit in should be naturally viewed as newbishness, not a direct sign of scummy.
I disagree with anyone who says that LM's awkwardness from trying to fit in or the stupid vote is scummy: by my experience, LM is just like that and such should be viewed as NAI. What isn't NAI, however, is the fact that LM knew that we were far into the game and still he joked around like RVS was still a thing.

[ben dover123]

VOTE: Lunar Martian

And why the change?

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist, I'm curious about your current thoughts on Elements. You voted him early on , asking him about their post, and havent seemed to elaborate much on the subject since then.

I can see his point in his response but I still think telling someone else to move their vote that early was trying to be too controlling.

[2ndchosen1]

Would agree with Ben's assessment of awkwardness being newbish as I also still kinda feel it when posting. Unsure how much I trust people who immediately run to act the VI though.

[Papa Zito]

Would be nice if we let them respond instead of giving convenient excuses.

Just a thought.

[ben dover123]

Would be nice if we let them respond instead of giving convenient excuses.

Just a thought.

I'm not giving excuses, this awkwardness that you guys are talking about is from a newbie rather than scummy awkwardness.
What is weird is how LM continued to joke when he knew that we were past RVS by page 5.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think his eventual response would be more genuine if he didn’t have someone rushing to his defense immediately

[ben dover123]

I think his eventual response would be more genuine if he didn’t have someone rushing to his defense immediately

Did I rush to his defense? No. I just said this:

tbh that post by Lunar is stupid but I'd like to give him some more time. Lunar had this kind of behavior in 2043 too, if I recall correctly.

Basically what I am saying is that Lunar can sometimes make these stupid posts so stuff that is stupid but not fully scummy shouldn't be treated as scummy.
If Lunar does make a scummy posts though, then there is an excuse to vote him.

I wasn't even defending him up to that point, I was just saying that this kind of behavior wasn't enough to get me to vote him and I wanted to let everyone know that this kind of behavior isn't directly scummy coming from Lunar. Only until people started equating Lunar's awkwardness in the post to actual scumminess was when I had to take action.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why not let him respond before you take the weight of the world upon yourself here? A simple disclaimer would have functioned but you’re full on going at bat for him here it seems.

[ben dover123]

Why not let him respond before you take the weight of the world upon yourself here? A simple disclaimer would have functioned but you’re full on going at bat for him here it seems.

I'm just very concerned that LM will get misunderstood again and will end up getting speedwagoned like in 2043. For a competent playerlist, LM is definitely one of the easiest targets to miselim, so when people are calling out LM being scummy when it's just his game is bad and I want to make a point that LM has done this as town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well the point is made.
Any reads?

[ben dover123]

Well the point is made.
Any reads?

Surprisingly there hasn't been that many people that have talked.

I'm getting town vibes from you, Elements is slightly scummy, and Zito is...interesting. I'm not liking the vibes I'm getting from him but that may be a playstyle thing.

[ben dover123]

As much as I have been talking with NPOM, he hasn't shown anything AI yet.
Kazyan, LM, and 2nd are all out there still.
Alchemist...kinda feels like he attacked Elements in spite of me but that's just a guess and otherwise he is null.

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: Elements

Ben is my top town read and seems like he knows what he is doing.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Also I don't like elements voting limbaity Lunar.

[ben dover123]

Also I don't like elements voting limbaity Lunar.

Yeah that pinged me pretty hard too. Zito's vote isn't the greatest either but looking at his approach all game it seems like he could be this kind of guy.

[Kazyan]

I don't have any solid reads because I'm drunk on that Noob Juice, but the assessment of Elements seems plausible based on similar behaviors I've observed in Mafia-adjacent games.

UNVOTE: Papa Zito

VOTE: Elements

[ben dover123]

I don't have any solid reads because I'm drunk on that Noob Juice, but the assessment of Elements seems plausible based on similar behaviors I've observed in Mafia-adjacent games.

UNVOTE: Papa Zito

VOTE: Elements

Ew
this vote is disgusting
VOTE: Kazyan

[NoPowerOverMe]

Yeah, if he doesn't have any reads why vote?

VOTE: Kazyan

[Lunar Martian]

Basically what I am saying is that Lunar can sometimes make these stupid posts so stuff that is stupid but not fully scummy shouldn't be treated as scummy.
If Lunar does make a scummy posts though, then there is an excuse to vote him.

I’m not looking for “excuses” to vote anyone. I feel like LM’s entrance was wack, 5 pages isn’t bad by any measure imo and he made a dumb joke. He doesn’t know how to act rn, which might be newbish or general awkwardness but the feeling when I saw it was scum with a bad entrance.

Is this just a gut read? I complained about the page count too and I could see someone deciding to be lazy and put down a dumb vote without reading anything. Is there something explainable that makes it more scummy than dummy?

It’s a vibe thing too. It just seemed a bit of conspicuous timing for him to come in like that. He posted 2 things others had posted as well, which seems like trying to fit in but not knowing how so he just emulated other people.
I feel like I might have something because the last time I had I read I felt like I do on LM on, it panned out. So I think I’m right again here.

Or the simpler explanation is that there was too much posting, a bunch of people didn't have time to read, and so we said similar things. But you can twist facts to fit whatever narrative you want if you try hard enough. Have fun with that.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Lunar Martian]

Would be nice if we let them respond instead of giving convenient excuses.

Just a thought.

I'm not giving excuses, this awkwardness that you guys are talking about is from a newbie rather than scummy awkwardness.
What is weird is how LM continued to joke when he knew that we were past RVS by page 5.

Why are you speaking for me? Can you stop? You're making a bunch of assumptions about what I think, say, and do, and it seems like everything you say about me just makes people think I'm Mafia. Most of your assumptions are wrong. For example, why should I assume that RVS is over on page 5 if I haven't read the game?