Mini Normal 2187: PIFiMDM [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.05

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-01-04 23:00:00).

execution

Lunar Martian [4]:

Gamma Emerald, PenguinPower, Papa Zito, Elements

Elements [2]:

Alchemist21, Kazyan

Kazyan [2]:

ben dover123, NoPowerOverMe

Papa Zito [1]:

Hayker

NoPowerOverMe [1]:

Dannflor

Gamma Emerald [1]:

Lunar Martian

Not voting [2]:

HeWhoSwims, 2ndchosen1

mod notes

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[Lunar Martian]

VOTE: Elements

Ben is my top town read and seems like he knows what he is doing.

This feels like pocketing rather than solving.

Also I don't like elements voting limbaity Lunar.

This post is OK, but it seems like a really easy thing to say. Why pick on elements and not the other people who are voting for me?

[Hayker]

vote:elements

I strongly dislike leaving a vote with no explanation. I'm not sure if the votes on lunar quite count as a bandwagon, but they feel opportunistic to me.

[Lunar Martian]

It just seemed a bit of conspicuous timing for him to come in like that. He posted 2 things others had posted as well, which seems like trying to fit in but not knowing how so he just emulated other people.

I like this. VOTE: Lunar Martian

btw I've noticed a lot of new lingo. Apologies in advance if I accidentally use archaic terms.

Even though the second line is clearly not connected to the first at face value, it reads like the second line is trying to absolve Papa Zito of responsibility for a bad vote because Papa is out of date and rusty.

[ben dover123]

Either way, 5 pages in and you shouldn't be voting the confirmed townie as some kind of joke. That kind of behavior is just plain awkward.
But, if you want me to leave you on your own then so be it.
@Datisi yeet

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: Elements

Ben is my top town read and seems like he knows what he is doing.

This feels like pocketing rather than solving.

Also I don't like elements voting limbaity Lunar.

This post is OK, but it seems like a really easy thing to say. Why pick on elements and not the other people who are voting for me?

Townhunting is a major part of my game.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ben dover
LM’s response seemed okay.

[Lunar Martian]

VOTE: Elements

Ben is my top town read and seems like he knows what he is doing.

This feels like pocketing rather than solving.

Also I don't like elements voting limbaity Lunar.

This post is OK, but it seems like a really easy thing to say. Why pick on elements and not the other people who are voting for me?

Townhunting is a major part of my game.

Doesn't feel like you're really evaluating whether Ben is Town though. It's just a compliment and an invitation to work together, not a reason for thinking someone is Town.

[ben dover123]

VOTE: ben dover
LM’s response seemed okay.

What's with this? I remember that you had a townread on me before, so what changed?

[Lunar Martian]

VOTE: ben dover
LM’s response seemed okay.

Voting Ben seems like the wrong response to something being "OK". I like my vote on you even better now.

[Elements]

vote:elements

I strongly dislike leaving a vote with no explanation. I'm not sure if the votes on lunar quite count as a bandwagon, but they feel opportunistic to me.

VOTE: Hayker

[ben dover123]

VOTE: Hayker

And what is this OMGUS?

[Lunar Martian]

I think the kids call it "trolling".

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ben dover
LM’s response seemed okay.

What's with this? I remember that you had a townread on me before, so what changed?

Recent events overruled that read. Your play is blatantly whiteknighting.

VOTE: ben dover
LM’s response seemed okay.

Voting Ben seems like the wrong response to something being "OK". I like my vote on you even better now.

Who would you rather I vote? Your response was NAI so I taking a break to push someone else whose interactions regarding you aren’t good

[ben dover123]

VOTE: ben dover
LM’s response seemed okay.

What's with this? I remember that you had a townread on me before, so what changed?

Recent events overruled that read. Your play is blatantly whiteknighting.

What's whiteknighting?

Also, if Lunar's response is NAI then what do you think of his first post now?

[Lunar Martian]

Why do you assume malicious intentions from Ben rather than just a new player trying to be helpful and help a fellow newbie? Sell me.

[Alchemist21]

As much as I have been talking with NPOM, he hasn't shown anything AI yet.
Kazyan, LM, and 2nd are all out there still.
Alchemist...kinda feels like he attacked Elements in spite of me but that's just a guess and otherwise he is null.

What do you mean “in spite of you?”

[Gamma Emerald]

Whiteknighting = rushing to defend another person
As for that post, still don’t feel great about it but that discussion has probably run its course

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you assume malicious intentions from Ben rather than just a new player trying to be helpful and help a fellow newbie? Sell me.

The level of investment. I think town would have put the counter evidence on the table and left it at that but he dug in his heels to protect you. He has some level of personal motive to defend you that I doubt town has rn.

[Papa Zito]

I don't have any solid reads because I'm drunk on that Noob Juice, but the assessment of Elements seems plausible based on similar behaviors I've observed in Mafia-adjacent games.

Which behaviors are those?

[ben dover123]

As much as I have been talking with NPOM, he hasn't shown anything AI yet.
Kazyan, LM, and 2nd are all out there still.
Alchemist...kinda feels like he attacked Elements in spite of me but that's just a guess and otherwise he is null.

What do you mean “in spite of you?”

Hold on, I have to talk to Gamma. Will be back with you in a second though.

Why do you assume malicious intentions from Ben rather than just a new player trying to be helpful and help a fellow newbie? Sell me.

The level of investment. I think town would have put the counter evidence on the table and left it at that but he dug in his heels to protect you. He has some level of personal motive to defend you that I doubt town has rn.

I'm not saying Lunar is town, I'm saying that what everyone is SR'ing him for is wrong, however I do believe LM's first post still pings awkward in the sense that the Dannflor vote is kind of weird considering the context.

[Gamma Emerald]

That definitely didn’t come across in your posting ime

[Alchemist21]

It just seemed a bit of conspicuous timing for him to come in like that. He posted 2 things others had posted as well, which seems like trying to fit in but not knowing how so he just emulated other people.

I like this. VOTE: Lunar Martian

btw I've noticed a lot of new lingo. Apologies in advance if I accidentally use archaic terms.

Even though the second line is clearly not connected to the first at face value, it reads like the second line is trying to absolve Papa Zito of responsibility for a bad vote because Papa is out of date and rusty.

I think you’re overthinking the second line.

[ben dover123]

I think that's what LM is trying to do, he had a really hard time fitting in with us in 2043.
I can agree that adding in the page count is rather awkward from LM's end, however the awkwardness from trying to fit in should be naturally viewed as newbishness, not a direct sign of scummy.
I disagree with anyone who says that LM's awkwardness from trying to fit in or the stupid vote is scummy: by my experience, LM is just like that and such should be viewed as NAI. What isn't NAI, however, is the fact that LM knew that we were far into the game and still he joked around like RVS was still a thing.

I have been approaching LM's post this way all along, so maybe it looks different in your eyes but I'm saying the same thing I have been saying.

[ben dover123]

As much as I have been talking with NPOM, he hasn't shown anything AI yet.
Kazyan, LM, and 2nd are all out there still.
Alchemist...kinda feels like he attacked Elements in spite of me but that's just a guess and otherwise he is null.

What do you mean “in spite of you?”

Ok, back to this.
I feel like I looked over the Element's thing enough to the point that Elements didn't even want to speak of it again, and then you came in and argued for the exact same thing. It could be possible you missed my argument but attacking Elements for the same thing felt like you were trying to push a read that I was pushing, but as I said there isn't any evidence of such and it's just a guess.