TENET - Game Over

[Bell]

It’s not like players don’t do this though: see cabd, Titus, a bunch of other people.

I just don’t think they don’t acknowledge competing info internally. You seemed almost proud of the admission but it doesn’t make sense to me.

don't do what?

Tunnel/fake tunnel as town/project overconfidence about a read or particular narrative.

Sometimes it’s tunneling, sometimes it’s scum pushing for a miselimination sometimes it’ town pushing for an elimination they think is town and on and on.

[Bell]

They think is scum*

[Bell]

Just gunna out right say: currently, I think you dug in when Titus pushed back and lost perspective because you’re scum

Well shit. I must be scum then. May as well vote me now.

Or, I could not just go based off of initial impressions and think about it some more.

[Gypyx]

also there's never more than 1 scum in {bell / titus / brian} with all that fighting

[Gypyx]

It’s not like players don’t do this though: see cabd, Titus, a bunch of other people.

I just don’t think they don’t acknowledge competing info internally. You seemed almost proud of the admission but it doesn’t make sense to me.

don't do what?

Tunnel/fake tunnel as town/project overconfidence about a read or particular narrative.

Sometimes it’s tunneling, sometimes it’s scum pushing for a miselimination sometimes it’ town pushing for an elimination they think is town and on and on.

ah yes that, well it's a question of intent, as pretty much everything

[Gypyx]

Like I don't know how you can sit here and let Titus be like 'I must be town because I'm a Lover and I think my role implies Doctor' despite there being no correlation between the two roles having to exist together and when she's also been trying to tie her own Lover's flip to me.

I'm literally unraveling all of her play right now and people are like "yeah, idk, maybe it's just Titus being Titus."

And her push on me is awful anyway.

Lover in a game with 2 kpn certainly says a doctor. Period.

Stop trying to miseliminate Bell. Call it a whiteknight. But you're not getting Bell today.

Settle for me.

really hate how AtE-ish this post is, like, i have trouble thinking titus actually belives that

[Brian Skies]

UNVOTE: Titus

[Gypyx]

you're not in inverted sir

[Brian Skies]

for reasons i just wanna kill pooky again. i realize this will not make brian happy and that is unfortunate but his popin was abominable

I'm currently of the opinion that I'd just be incredibly appreciative to see more flips from my side.

And we've sent you three different slots.

If there's anything I've gotten out of today, it's that I probably wouldn't care all that much if A50 got eliminated anymore. And I feel pretty good about you and don't particularly care if Pooky has to be eliminated if it would help your reads (although I still don't think Pooky is scum, especially with how he stated reasons to townread Shelly on his way out of our thread when most of us wanted to end her).

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Titus

[Annie Edison]

Brian I feel like this “doctor must exist with lovers” thing seems like actual moon logic

[Gypyx]

why that back and forth brian?

[Brian Skies]

@ Other Thread
Bsky, tell this to Titus.

Your case on me being the only scum relies on three things:

A) I have a turnstile that I can use to send people to the other timeline
B) I'd use this to send my entire team to the other timeline in order to play solo here.
C) I also have a strongman ability that I used to shoot the IC through doc protection.

It's pretty unlikely that scum have a Turnstiling Strongman because like wtf

Pooky got your back Homie.

[Hench Princesses]

S_S can you expand on the reasoning that the role does not make sense for s/t? Knowing that the pairing are only lovers when in same timestream makes me feel like that is much more likely to include s/t than a conventional lovers pairing in this setup

-E

[Annie Edison]

@Ffery am I crazy?

[Brian Skies]

I was thinking of her argument about there needing to be two or more doctors to protect the lovers with the presence of two night kills.

There are a lot of problems with this.

1) They would just claim their role and we would probably just not turnstile them.
2) The two claimed protective roles we have claim they can only use their role in their current timestream, so it would be impossible to protect both anyway. And their roles seem to only function if they both exist in the same timestream.
3) By the time the timestreams converge, the scumteam goes back to one night kill (presumably) and I think the need for town to have two or more protective roles sitting on the lovers is silly and probably not an expectation we should have. Like have you seen any games where multiple doctors were included just to protect lovers? Or any game where protecting the lovers was a requirement to win?

I'm just struggling to see this here.

[Annie Edison]

Cabd isn't going to be happy with me but I think Bell has exceeded his scum range. possibly considerably. It goes way beyond my bucket thoughts about what parts of his town game he could be able to import in a quantum improvement of his scum game.

@notty can i unvote now

[Hench Princesses]

Annie, could you maybe play mafia and not act like whatever the fuck it is you're doing with deacon's slot

-E

[Brian Skies]

Brian I feel like this “doctor must exist with lovers” thing seems like actual moon logic

I honestly just feel like this is some last dash play by Titus thinking that claiming to protect Bell from the big bad Brian will make people think she's town, even though I'd already lost interest in the Bell wagon before she came back in to catch up.

[Annie Edison]

VOTE: titus

For the time being

[Annie Edison]

Annie, could you maybe play mafia and not act like whatever the fuck it is you're doing with deacon's slot

-E

what are you on about

[Bell]

@dandywine: *back pat* i’m Town this game so it’s actually a good thing people ignored you this time in the end.

[Hench Princesses]

the amount of your iso that is you dumping your own reads off a cliff to sheep cabd/deacon is making it hard to see what your actual thought process is on everything

like on a purely subjective level I don't see how that makes for a pleasant game experience for you and it's increasingly distracting to read you asking the hydras in the other thread before you do literally anything. your backpedal on bell-town over the "crumb" argument was actually so bad, given your hard sheep of him day 1, that it actively bothers me

like, were you sheeping bell on shelly because deacon and cabd told you bell was town? that's an extremely convoluted style of play that makes it actively difficult for other people to see how you think

-E

[Hench Princesses]

like, "fuck bell so town shelly scum"
turns to
"fuck, deacon, is it okay to unvote bell?"

what sort of fucking progression is that. I don't even know if it's scum. it's more just... like, obnoxious

I'm sorry, I think I need like a sanity break from this game

-E

[Brian Skies]

Oh yes, I shouldn't say "thread." Same timestream. The timestreams remain separate even after the merge.

This makes zero fucking sense then, if you're told of this property of your role PM you will literally never choose to do this.

Like just sit down and think about this:

Why put the lovers condition in, as a mod, when neighbors start already in opposite time streams; which is already "optimal neighbor placement"?


And if you do... why TELL them about it?

Why put the lovers condition in, as a mod, when neighbors start already in opposite time streams; which is already "optimal neighbor placement"?

Because he wanted to add in more effects that have to do with inversion to make it more likely to be relevant?

And if you do... why TELL them about it?

It would be incredibly rude bordering on bastard to not.

also SS i don't think im risking anyting by defending u. nor do i think im hard defending u.

I think what you're risking as scum is losing the ability to mis-exe me.

This makes zero fucking sense then, if you're told of this property of your role PM you will literally never choose to do this.

Yes.

I would think it's meant to be negative utility (either for both of us if we're both town, or for the scum one if one of us is scum).