Mini Normal 2187: PIFiMDM [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.10

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-01-04 23:00:00).

execution

NoPowerOverMe [3]:

PenguinPower, Lunar Martian, HeWhoSwims

Kazyan [3]:

Papa Zito, Gamma Emerald, Alchemist21

PenguinPower [2]:

NoPowerOverMe, Kazyan

Elements [1]:

Hayker

Alchemist21 [1]:

2ndchosen1

Hayker [1]:

Dannflor

Gamma Emerald [1]:

Elements

Not voting [1]:

ben dover123

mod notes

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flavour

Spoiler: spoilered so that you don't have to scroll pass this constantly

[2ndchosen1]

I didn’t see his reason for Hayker. I saw his reason for Gamma and would have asked about it if I hadn’t.

How are you getting “defensive” from that post as opposed to “he didn’t see that part?”

well if it wasn't defensive then at best it was unhelpful. you're both not parsing the only only confirmed town's thoughts and just making noise.
it also wasn't that hard of a post to read.

Which interaction with Dann are you referring to here?

Him asking Dann a redundant question/noise

but in hindsight, that may be all I'm doing right now so I will no longer dwell on it.

[PenguinPower]

In case this was missed.

My statement is in deference to what Ben said after I did IA the first time:

The reason that interaction analysis is bad before we have any mod confirmed evidence (hardclaims, flips, innocent townies, etc.) is because you are very likely to encounter bias if you find a interaction that makes the most sense to you. This is bad since without one guaranteed or near guaranteed alignment, anything can really happen, and since interaction analysis is very powerful people can get sucked into the bias really easily and will never take a second look. Right now it is best to just make some good fabricated reads alone rather than in pairs or triplets of people.

This is the entire basis of me saying that Day 1 IA is bad.

Ah, yes. Preflip associatives are usually bad. I didn’t understand that’s what you were saying.

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Alchemist

[Dannflor]

I'm at work but I'll answer your question Penguin when I get home

[PenguinPower]

<3

[Gamma Emerald]

Just read that full VC spoiler tag and am now very scared

[Elements]

Someone asked me about my vote on Gamma
It was Dannflor pointing out Gamma is experienced scum and 369 which seemed to be picking on Kazyan's posting style and saying it had scum motives.

[Gamma Emerald]

Are those separate or connected thoughts? If the latter, how are they connected?

[Elements]

You were a slight townlean for your surfacy town posts, then Dannflor pointed out you do that as scum which got me to re-evaluate, then 369

[Kazyan]

UNVOTE: Penguin

Even though my aforementioned pressure placement didn't tell me much about Penguin specifically, I feel like it got the job done in giving us more information.

[Elements]

VOTE: kayzan
why do you think your vote made penguin feel pressured?

[Kazyan]

I placed pressure, but I don't actually know whether Penguin felt it. We got more information, though.

[Elements]

What information have you gained?

[Kazyan]

What information have you gained?

Basically, this post did it for me:

I think their post was a bs reason made to hide that they’re sheeping the IC.

Two things happened here: 1) Alchemist

accused

me of something that I

admitted

to before that post. 2) Alchemist expressed no confusion about how to read me. Basically everyone else ranges from "Kazyan is hard to read, but I think they're scum" to "I have no clue what this twerp is trying to say", but Alchemist seems confident.

So it kinda looks like Alchemist is so focused on pushing me that any extra posts I make aren't relevant. The only way that makes sense to me, as the confusing-to-read newbie, is if he's not actually an uninformed vanilla townie.

[Elements]

I think I'm going to like you Kazyan
VOTE: alchemist

[PenguinPower]

didn't tell me much about Penguin specifically

It gave you evidence that I like responding with gifs.

[Papa Zito]

Hi Lunar.

Please convince me to join your wagon.

[Lunar Martian]

Also I don't like elements voting limbaity Lunar.

Well this post kind of sums up my thoughts on NoPower very nicely. NoPower makes a lot of short posts that don't say much. Most of them just serve to lightly discredit other people (in this case discrediting me somewhat and elements somewhat more). I also think this post is pretty ironic given what NoPower proceeded to do the next few days in terms of going after me. For someone who keeps touting the importance of finding Town, I'm not sure who NoPower thinks is Town. Not even sure if he ever even answered who is in the "townblock".

[NoPowerOverMe]

There is no town block. I think you are confused.

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah I also had a reaction akin to that one meme of "you guys have a townblock?"

[Alchemist21]

I didn’t see his reason for Hayker. I saw his reason for Gamma and would have asked about it if I hadn’t.

How are you getting “defensive” from that post as opposed to “he didn’t see that part?”

well if it wasn't defensive then at best it was unhelpful. you're both not parsing the only only confirmed town's thoughts and just making noise.
it also wasn't that hard of a post to read.

Which interaction with Dann are you referring to here?

Him asking Dann a redundant question/noise

but in hindsight, that may be all I'm doing right now so I will no longer dwell on it.

There were several pieces to that post and I asked about the one read that I didn’t see the info for. Asking someone for their thoughts is the opposite of not trying to parse their thoughts.

Why do you think I would ask about one specific read out of many for any reason except what I’ve already told you?

[Alchemist21]

What information have you gained?

Basically, this post did it for me:

I think their post was a bs reason made to hide that they’re sheeping the IC.

Two things happened here: 1) Alchemist

accused

me of something that I

admitted

to before that post. 2) Alchemist expressed no confusion about how to read me. Basically everyone else ranges from "Kazyan is hard to read, but I think they're scum" to "I have no clue what this twerp is trying to say", but Alchemist seems confident.

So it kinda looks like Alchemist is so focused on pushing me that any extra posts I make aren't relevant. The only way that makes sense to me, as the confusing-to-read newbie, is if he's not actually an uninformed vanilla townie.

No, you admitted to sheeping after I accused you of it. Nice try though.

[Datisi]

Prodding HeWhoSwims.

[Datisi]

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