revO emaG - TENET

[Dandelion Wine]

Uh skitter I hate to do this to you but what about day two stuff that wasn't titus? Did you have opinions or thoughts there? You kinda collapse day two into a singularity of "bad trajectory on titus"

[Dandelion Wine]

FFERY GET OUT OF YOUR SCUM CHAT AND TALK TO ME I AM GOING INSANE DAMN YOU

[Dandelion Wine]

ok a lot of this is gonna be abt me, but that's what i initialy formed the read off of so eh. but here we go, spoiler wall:

Spoiler:

Brian town. We’re syncing pretty well.

the timing of this was p suspect, as i mentioned at the time - it came literally minutes after brian announced a townread on annie. this, to me, looked(s) like buddying brian; if annie is scum i dont' think brian is

Skitter you understand Brian started the buddying between our slots before me lol

But I pinged bulge

(i remember checking the timing upon this post as well, and iirc brian literally mentioned them like twice before this in a non-ai fashion, so this was also like ... not true)

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skitter are you expecting to be turnstiled first?

you're putting energy into the other thread as if you expect to be spending some time there sooner rather than later.

i still hate this line of questioning, and in retrospect, it looks like fishing. it's implying that i'm scummy for wanting to be turnstiled, but the reasoning for *why* that's a scummy desire is not explained. i later called these posts random shade, because the tone is negative, but he's utterly failing to explain *why* it's scummy of me for wanting this

continuing on that theme: 385, which i utterly hate, and could not get the bulge to elaborate upon, and that's when i started tunneling. he's once again objecting to me having more reads over there than here, but fails to explain why that's an issue or scummy. the last line i particularly hate: 'remove all that from your iso and it's all mechtalk'. or, in other words, he's basically saying: 'if we remove all of your content you have no content, and i take issue with you not having any content', which makes ... exactly no sense? obviously if you remove my reads i won't have any content left, but he's trying to negate most of the content i had at the time and then complaining i don't have any. i have a really, really hard time seeing that as a real thought, or as anything but shade, and despite trying to get clarification i was dodged multiple times there.

this is where i starting making a whole big thing abt annie; i believe the bulge wrote these posts and i actively tried over the next day or so (i don't remember the exact timeline) to get him to followup on this, but he ignored/avoided me multiple times (i'm not gonna quote proof for this but you are free to verify this for yourself by control-f'ing 'the bulge' in my iso)

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and here is my original case on them, as the wagon was rising, for reference:

Also I am going through your ISO and I can't really figure out what you're actually scumreading annie for

@skitter

oh this i'm pretty sure i said:
-> i'm p sure their observation last night abt me having more reads in the other thread was throwaway shade than anything else, and given that i can't really get an elaboration on tha,t until i do i'm assumign that's what it is. it doesn't feel like a real thought that actually lead to a scumread, although they were *acting* like it should be a reason to scumread me even though as best as i can tell they haven't actually made a connection between 'more reads onpeople in the other thread' and 'scumread', nor have they explained why my doing that is more egregious than ... literally anybody else who's done that. i'm not gonna drop it till they elaborate because it felt more like shade than anything else

-> buddying brian (already explained this one)

-> and just a lot of post are pinging me all around

-> they're also acting like they have more townreads than they actually do, feels like they're trying to project confidence and an air of gravitas (this one is new, don't think i elaborated on this one yet )

examples of the last point: 874, 683, 670

iirc he had like three people townreading him at this point ...

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to elaborate on the last point in the above post: consistently as his wagon was rising, he kept trying to shade the people pushing it the strongest (me (who i don't think he actually ever articulated a scumread on beyond 'my push on his wagon was terrible' and norra (who flipped town)). he just kept loudly and loudly complaining that his wagon was awful, but there wasn't really any solving for *who the scum were pushing the wagon* again, besides for me (who i think we mostly think is town now?) and noraa (flipped town), who were incidentally also the loudest two people wanting him dead at the time. it's stupidly survivalistic

he also kept trying to project town and make himself look like a much, much more universal townread than he actually was at the time.

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aside he kept saying he wanted to be turnstiled so that he could purple room with deacon n2 and that kinda fizzled out and nothing much came of it ...
(and from the perspective of: town is trying to clear the forwards thread of scum, scum!annie trying to get over makes a lot of sense ...)

related:

Subject: TENET - Day 2

Yes we had my entire team send me over so I could be a mafia goon on this side instead, you got me.

and quite a lot of his content is abt actualizng this plan (i.e. utilizing the turnstile), as opposed to just liming scum (which he isn't giving much thought to at all). and like after the a50 turnstile his content is just ... very meh

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whooo other timeline (man iso-ing people is a pain ...)
(and tbf i spend less time concentrating over there as i have my own massive game to work on here, so like my grasp of the context around specific posts over there is less strong)


Subject: TENET - Day 2

Okay Nacho.

Who does the other side need to elim then.

Subject: TENET - Day 2

@ffery- she’s town, and I’m a piece of Shit.

I’ll figure out where to go from here.

just dropping noraa scum upon imperium coming out as ic and defending her is eehhhhhhhhh kinda icky

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progression on shelly wasn't great - he was defendign her for a while and then hopped on as she kept digging her own hole deeper. not impossible to come from town but i didn't really like it

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Subject: TENET - Day 2

They think Pooky went over and hard shoved flavor as a counterwagon to skitter rn

i also called this out at the time: this, as a narrative, doesn't actually work because the timeline was completely off - if pooky wanted to come over to like save me (which i probably wouldn't let happen, anyways), he would have done it the day before (irl) than he actually did, when i was at e-1, not the next day, when i was at e-5 and most of pressure had dissipated

like three different slots started saying this after he started saying that

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Subject: TENET - Day 2

Dunn and Titus are town. You can remove them from your pool.

Over there take Cabd and Ffery town to the bank. Skitters claim is sketchy, I don’t like Pooky suddenly engaging over there when he did nothing over here. Peta is town. Superb I think is town (but off a cliff). I should have more but I’m watching tenet rn so I’m not spending too much effort

Subject: TENET - Day 2

Let’s get this turnstile knocked out guys.

I’m currently at-

Won’t touch-
Titus
Dunn
Brian
Gypyx

Hesitate to-
Spiffeh
Bell

Meh-
Muffin
A50
Hench

Tiers aren’t in order

just noting because i'm repeatedly seeing a *very* strong townread on titus, and i think he ends up on her at eod

Subject: TENET - Day 2

VOTE: titus

For the time being

and he did! with no progression either!

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i was gonna say that i disliked his bell progression around the claim thing but i think it was two different heads talking so eh

ok you get max one of those per dayphase because that took a nice long while
obviously my vibes for things that happened here are a lot stronger

oh, this is actually kind of good. i did object to the idea that he just dropped noraa instantly when nacho defended her- i remember it being a little more complex than that, although i could be wrong, and taking a few posts.

maybe i should try being analytical at some point in my life. i was having some thoughts in bed last night about how to put what i see as massive lack of trajectory from hp on at least me and skitter, and i wonder if i'd find more if i dug deeper

-ceph

[Deacon Blues]

Fuck that case has legitimate points I can nod at. I was really hoping I'd be like "good case brah but nah" :/

Ffery, I think the day three meltdown is about to blow up a day early.

:/

*throws hands in air*

notsci talked some about his post-hiatus approach to scum in the illicit game. Not sure it will settle anything in my mind, and not sure I can find it without sifting carefully through a 4 page iso, but here goes.

[skitter30]

not as strongly, no. it's harder for me to iso what's happening over there because like i said, i'm missing the context at least partially. also that took like a good 45 min and i started to just skim at the end

the key things that i do have are:
-> not as much solving (i.e. wanting to lim) as compared to wanting to turnstile
-> icky titus progression out of nowhere
-> a lot of flip-flopping on bell

otherwise i don't have much to say

[Deacon Blues]

FFERY GET OUT OF YOUR SCUM CHAT AND TALK TO ME I AM GOING INSANE DAMN YOU

let me panic about ceiling repair guy in my house all day in peace, damn it.

[Dandelion Wine]

*throws hands in air*

Are we the baddies that derailed a really good dunking of the deepwolf before it got rolling?

[petapan]

a lot of the stuff skitter talks about with the day 2 movement i saw as well on iso, like i'm not seeing a lot of figuring things out

i think dropping the noraa scumread might have been influenced by [redacted] though and that has me conflicted again remembering that

[Dandelion Wine]

FFERY GET OUT OF YOUR SCUM CHAT AND TALK TO ME I AM GOING INSANE DAMN YOU

let me panic about ceiling repair guy in my house all day in peace, damn it.

Cool so we flip fferybork first, and then whoever the ceiling repair guy's account is second.

[Dandelion Wine]

I guess essentially it comes down to "Why did Cobra Kai go away and old notsci come back?"

[Dandelion Wine]

And then I ask myself "Could the Cobra Kai thing be too hard to project as scum for him" but like, he's not a bad scum player by any means?

[Deacon Blues]

Not as much about it as I thought: "strongarming", "wifoming", "trying to get in front of the play"

[petapan]

do we have a breakdown of the E-1 wagon votes on annie day 1, out of curiosity?

[skitter30]

it's harder for me to iso what's happening over there because like i said, i'm missing the context at least partially.

it's like cold-meta'ing, and i'm getting abt the same use out of it. i can pick up broad trends in trajectory but it's not the same as being there in the moment and knowing what was happening/what i was thinking as certain things are said

[petapan]

sometimes i think divorcing things from context via is better b/c someone can look fine in the moment but when you look at their overall progression you have to ask what they're doing

and the re-eval was prompted by muffin going "i can't remember anything you've done"

[petapan]

*via iso

[Dandelion Wine]

Unrelated but like I made it and I don't wanna sit on it and forget:

[Deacon Blues]

And then I ask myself "Could the Cobra Kai thing be too hard to project as scum for him" but like, he's not a bad scum player by any means?

I've thought about this.

I've also thought about how it often feels like I'm rejecting my spine grafts. For me it's not that easy to intentionally change my playstyle and keep it changed.

But, that's me, not notsci.

[petapan]

haha imagine not being able to change playstyle at will

[Dandelion Wine]

do we have a breakdown of the E-1 wagon votes on annie day 1, out of curiosity?

Peta-skitter-gamma-sinkhole-owl-??? was the peak IIRC?

It's so annoying to go back and reconstruct these.

[Dandelion Wine]

Not in that order btw.

[Deacon Blues]

i did object to the idea that he just dropped noraa instantly when nacho defended her- i remember it being a little more complex than that, although i could be wrong, and taking a few posts.

You're right. It wasn't instantaneous. It did feel quick, though. I remember thinking the moment when he just caved felt off. But Nacho's towncase was really compelling and even though I didn't want to deal with a noraa-town that obstructive, I bought in completely after sleeping on it.

[petapan]

obtusebear was on it early, just checked, 1179 is the VC

was actually tinfoiling erbowl/annie based on a reread no i'm not confirmation biased shut up

[Deacon Blues]

haha imagine not being able to change playstyle at will

:sadyes:

[midwaybear]

I was voting Annie at some point as well.
Also, this game seems much different from Xenoblade, so that could explain some things. I haven't been reading much of the other thread though.
I will make another post later.