Guns & Roses V [Game Over]

[Akarin]

So this started...

1. What is your mafia experience like?
2. Do you prefer playing as mafia or as town?
3. How would you rate your scumhunting ability?

1. Reasonable, some offsite some on an alt, some on hydras, and the games you see here. Definitely not the most experienced here but I'm not new to this.
2. Town.
3. Cassandra.

[Akarin]

VOTE: Mr. Sandman
Too bad I missed RVS.

[Akarin]

I'm weirdly invested in Rosé and Gún's backstory and I look forward to reading about their romance going forward.

[Akarin]

I should say that I was basically having the same thoughts as Bell on that first page.

Bell's my top townread.

[Akarin]

That, and wikifying my lazy butt.

[Akarin]

I think it's better if we don't claim at all in this game. We flip town or scum and keep playing. No claims. It just makes it too easy for scum to NK all the roses.

You don't think it's worth claiming Rose at E-1?

[Akarin]

Picking weird stuff to talk about after returning to the game. Acknowledges that the game is out of RVS and thus implying that there’s been some content that’s probably worth talking about, but decides to talk about Roses claiming if they’re at E-1? Feels like a nothing question.

You make it sound like the claim thing is all I said. And I don't think it's nothing.

I think I disagree with ABR but I haven't played the setup before and I'm pretty sure he has and I want to know why.

ABR: what if there are two competing wagons and one is a Rose and one's a Gun.

[Akarin]

My vote on Sandman is serious, I didn't like his Bell vote post.

[Akarin]

Uncrowned, how much is POE factoring into your reads?

[Akarin]

I have never been as scummy as I've been in this game, I have earned the bottom spot.

Fight you for it?

[Akarin]

Trust me we might have 2 roses and if we pressure them to claim they might be NK and we auto lose. If we pressure them and they don't claim and we change our votes we have a better chance to win.

Nevermind, I agree with ABR.

ABR, do you have a read on DGB yet?

[Akarin]

I really like the effort Rosé is putting into having game relevant opinions in the story.

[Akarin]

I like the way you think, Rosé.

But would you mind mixing some more blue dye into that ink you're using? It might look good to you in the shadows of a tavern, but some parts of this town have a sort of mid-afternoon sepia quality to the light and it's hard to read without squinting in those conditions.

[Akarin]

Anyone who calls me town is scum and that's my solve.

You're never gonna get to be top scumread with that attitude.

[Akarin]

you skipped over Hikari/Bell and everything that followed after it

What was there to say?

[Akarin]

Sorry, could you explain your point more clearly, I don't see where I picked a fight with Hiraki?
They voted me, I let them know that they voted wrong. If anything, i'm doing it so that they don't have the blood of the innocent on their hands if they're town.

Bell tries to frame his conflict with Hiraki as something not caused by him. But it seems that based on posts such as

lol.

Wow,
you uh.
You suck at this.

Bell is being at least somewhat inflammatory. Therefore, I'm not sure his comments about not wanting to engage come from a town reasoning. Instead, I think he may not want to engage in conflict because it will bring more attention to him, and this seems especially dangerous from a player like Hiraki who has already said that he more often than not is able to find mafia on D1.

The line of reasoning here compared to the amount of effort that went into it just feels so stretchy for someone who's played 10 games of forum mafia.

[Akarin]

That pink writing should be stopped by the mod if need be.

I really can't read it.

Have mercy and stop the gimmick. It's cute but impractical.

The black spoiler background doesn't help? Or you mean before that?

[Akarin]

Could you explain why?

So you asked me about my vote on you twice in your catchup but missed my post 177?

[Akarin]

And this too, specifically how you were also getting 3-4 townreads on page 1.

Tanner:

i am slightly +town on bell for post 16. it struck me as an anti-town thing to say, however it rings like one of those anti-town things that scum are less likely to say. if it's accurate, his post felt like a "warning" to scum about albert - that i imagine scum would probably keep to a scum pt.

Johnny:

Your answer sets you up to have to bus your buddies before you even know whether you want to or not.
Or at least vote them at inopportune times.

It's not very strong, rvs etc. But gut.

It wasn't 3-4 reads, where did you think the 4th was anyway? Bell immediately 2nd guessed the Hiraki read.

I think Bell looking at these things this way is town indicative of Bell. (And Tanner for similar reason.)

I don't know if I agree on the Dunn read or not but my ability to read Dunn off so little is probably compromised right now by things that have nothing to do with this game. I'll need more from him before I have a read.

[Akarin]

I think Akarin is quite likely to be mafia and could be a partner for Bell. She entered the thread sussing me but wi try out saying why beyond “I don’t like his post about Bell”. But she didn’t actually explain what she didn’t like.

Why do you think scum is likely to come into the thread sussing you without saying why?

[Akarin]

Yeah, this is about the best I can say about the current Bell handwaving here. "Too scummy to be scum" isn't a thing if the person is capable of not being scummy. Bell has done that in other games.

So you think Bell is

that

scummy still?

[Akarin]

Yeah but are you reading it? Gun is actually playing the game - Rose is floating.

post 146: Bell is picking fights and Rose thinks he's pure of heart. ABR feels barricaded and careful. Uncrowned has a good reads list and seems towny.

post 151 Sandman is "acknowledging the Bell is starting conflicts by being inflammatory, but also saying he's suspicious for trying

not

to engage in conflicts." Vote: Sandman

Why doesn't this count as playing the game?

[Akarin]

She's the worst, she goes first.

What % of this is about font color?

[Akarin]

So having thoughts Hiraki disagrees with = not playing the game?

[Akarin]

Like I'm 99% sure that ABR comment was a scumlean not just IIoA. It's not even that much information, because obviously you're not reading it as effort, which is the whole

point

of IIoA.

[Akarin]

I'm saying I'm pretty darn sure Rosé has a scumlean and I'm dead certain that Rosé is playing the game and not just doing totally empty RP like you suggested.

[Akarin]

Besides, who told you to think for Rose?

What the heck is this?

If I'm not allowed to have an opinion about other people's play and other people's posts what exactly do you think we're doing?

[Akarin]

You didn't want to ask?

The important thing to me isn't what Rosé's read on ABR is. The important thing is that you're not paying attention to the actual content of Rosé's posts while accusing them of IIoA and empty posting.

[Akarin]

VOTE: Hiraki

[Akarin]

Uncrowned has a good reads list and seems towny.

what part of it is great? the one where you're my top SR, the other two SRs or the TRs?

That was what Rosé was saying in the post I was explaining.

I

think your reads list is just okay. I'm not impressed with it but it's not so bad it's scummy.

What was there to say?

why did you say this and then immediately make a post talking about one of the things that came of that interaction lol

Almost like I thought about it for a second and answered my own question.

[Akarin]

And how is posting a Wikipedia article towny????

That part was a joke

[Akarin]

The towniest vote on Gún or Rosé is DGB.

[Akarin]

Bell, I really think RVS is done with.

Gamma, I assume Ico was talking about the read I voted Hiraki for and Ico posted the sheep gif, i.e. the Rosé scumread rather than the Bell one.

[Akarin]

But I thought we were all agreeing that having thoughts on page 1 was for scumlords!

[Akarin]

Obviously your scum buddy.

[Akarin]

I was talking about Akarin. Guess people weren't agreeing.

Misgendering me probably didn't help with clarity.

[Akarin]

And as for defending people, I like to defend people when a lot of people are sort of shrugging themselves into agreeing with bad pushes.

[Akarin]

So who here, besides Hiraki, feel like the people not scumreading Bell are not scumreading him because he's

"Too scummy to be scum"

[Akarin]

Without power roles there's really no good explanation for Duns early play here.

What's this part about?

[Akarin]

Okay so it's like almost 6 AM and I haven't slept and I'm admittedly townreading Dunn's avatar with like 50% of my brain here,

but

this post, for one, doesn't seem like it's shading you. Don't see that much about you until your revote on him. (I mean, obviously don't see much at all, but grading on a curve)

If he didn't want attention on him, he'd post less, surely

[Akarin]

Comments like that from a few people are part of why I said "still" and had half expected Hiraki to have reevaluated a little bit an was surprised by the "too scummy to be scum" comment btw.

Like I really don't think that's anyone's defense of you, Bell. Was hoping if it was people would say so when I asked about it but whatever

[Akarin]

Don't worry, I only townread avatars when it's past my bedtime. And Dunn's in particular because it's wonderful.

[Akarin]

Gún and DGB have the other best avatars, if anyone is curious.

[Akarin]

I'm here and catching up.

[Akarin]

So why is Momrangal the top wagon again?

[Akarin]

my grandmaster plan is in full effect

if you look to your left (by flipping the page and finding the vote count post) you will see two very important things

akarin and momrangal

we got ourselves a good old fashioned town and scum wagon but which is which? well only time will tell

i say we get akarin first and then snipe the other if we're wrong with our trusty guns

VOTE: Uncrowned

[Akarin]

Uncrowned has a good reads list and seems towny.

what part of it is great? the one where you're my top SR, the other two SRs or the TRs?

This is a good point and I think another reason to be suspicious of Akarin. Would you consider voting for Akarin, Uncrowned?

So Sandman read up through this point and failed at reading comprehension in the same way as Uncrowned and thought it was a good point even though I not only explained later, but explicitly argued with Hiraki about this being an interpretation of Rose and then later clarified again.

[Akarin]

I just wanna live the first night tho, honestly. After that, I don't care mich

You get that this makes you a much better elimination right.

I'd rather someone in {Uncrowned, Sandman, Hiraki, Johnny, Gamma} than any of the current wagons, but between Bell or me and Momrangal, at this point much better to lim Momrangal.

[Akarin]

I just wanna live the first night tho, honestly. After that, I don't care mich

But, like, come on people. Does scum ever make this post?

[Akarin]

I am intrigued with the quasi-WK on Akarin, when my first push was that slot

"Quasi?"

I think all the current wagons are on town and the game is being driven by a combination of scum and people not taking time to actually read the posts they're skimming past.

How's that for white knighting?

[Akarin]

The only compromise that you get from me is Johnny. The rest probably flip town (100% for me though!)

VOTE: Johnny

I'll take it

[Akarin]

Pedit: uhm sure. You're saying all this while not comtting, not ever having committed to derailing that wagon. It's been building all day and you decide to say something when a more active player takes the slot?

Why is everyone allergic to actually reading the game this game?

[Akarin]

It's why Akarin is sitting pretty fine in the VI bucket.

Takes one to know one.

[Akarin]

Well I think your way of thinking about that is fundamentally ridiculous but I took offense to being called an idiot.

No one is ever right about all their reads, and there aren't 5 scum anyway. If you're not ever willing to compromise, the scum in your townreads drives the game and town eats itself.

[Akarin]

The degree to which people let egomania drive their games is the biggest problem with this site.

[Akarin]

You've railed on me as scum for the ENTIRE day and then when you don't get your way - you say that I need to re-evaluate my reads because I might be town. Which is it? If you're not going to make sense, then no - I'm not going to pretend that you do. Call it "egomania' or whatever you want.

I don't remember specifically telling you to reevaluate as much as to actually read the damn game.

Treating your scumreads as non-persons isn't a great way to allow yourself to reevaluate or give them a chance to work with you.

[Akarin]

Like how is giving a scumread the benefit of the doubt such an alien concept to you? Especially when no one else agrees with me and other players have been worse in recent posts.

[Akarin]

could be a night 1 gun....

Yeah, it's basically an N1 gun claim, but why would scum ever do that?

[Akarin]

Um, because scum can get an extra shot off too?

Soft claim it under pressure I mean.

If we're going to eliminate someone I'd rather not eliminate, I'll vote the person who I know is a Gun every time.

[Akarin]

Because simply not claiming would be much better for not getting them eliminated. It's not just a VT claim, it's significantly mechanically better to eliminate there right now and it's a completely unforced error. We already discussed not claiming even in situations like this in thread, so it's not like they'd even take any pressure from not claiming.

[Akarin]

Actually, don't answer that.
I don't particularly worry about whether vigs miss or not. They chose a gun to have fun and I won't deny them that even when they inevitably fuck up.

Why do you think this has anything to do with missing? It's about not eliminating Roses.

[Akarin]

I do love that most of my wagon are scumreading me for defending Rose, but Rose's replacement is scumreading me for not defending Rose.

[Akarin]

VOTE: sandman wagon?

VOTE: Sandman

[Akarin]

VOTE: Momrangal

*sigh*

[Akarin]

I'd really like if there were a coherent case on either of us.

I think at least 2 people are still reading my quoting Rose as my own opinion...

[Akarin]

And Gamma pops in to ask me things during his catchup that I already answered, but never responds to my explaination.

[Akarin]

Didn’t think the responses were interesting enough to warrant extending the discussion of the topic

So you agree with me?

[Akarin]

On what

My Momrangal-Rose townread.

[Akarin]

I’m a little pensive there but I’m not sure she’s scum rn. I don’t think the Mom/Bell/you pool draws dead so with 2 options not feeling great that leaves me with 1 that comparatively looks rather fine

Why though?

[Akarin]

I mean it'd be nice if anyone on any wagon had reasons for anything.

[Akarin]

But if it's a tossup, we should really be voting Mom.

[Akarin]

Okay, explain that then please.

I'd prefer not to.

[Akarin]

And why were you/anyone voting Akarin yesterday?

No one knows.

[Akarin]

Johnny really isn't a bad wagon. There are 3 scum in the game somewhere.

[Akarin]

Since we're still in RVS apparently, though

VOTE: Gamma

[Akarin]

For those that refuse to read nuance, that's not actually an RVS vote...

[Akarin]

I'm scum for having correct townreads?

[Akarin]

I think your reads list is just okay. I'm not impressed with it but it's not so bad it's scummy.

This is what I said about it.

Despite people repeatedly choosing to keep misinterpreting the same post where I quoted Rose multiple times after I corrected them.

[Akarin]

Like I made the post you're talking about defending Rose against weird assertion that she wasn't playing the game at all. For some reason like 5 times now people have taken that as an endorsement of Uncrowned's readslist on my part and scumreading me for that. It's getting weird at this point and I don't know who is being dumb and who is just enjoying the opportunity for a shit push.

[Akarin]

Uncrowned was refusing to think about the game and I think he's better than that, also reminded me of a game that was ongoing until like yesterday where he was scum with me.

But also, what's wrong with voting for someone obviously pushing TvT in a scummy way anyway?

[Akarin]

Would you categorize me as part of that group? Because I’ll tell you I wasn’t actually trying to suggest that beyond asking about your feelings on it at the time.

Yes, I think you've also been pushing that narrative.

Weirdly Hiraki, the one who started it, hasn't been after I corrected them. Which is part of what turned me around on Hiraki.

[Akarin]

Mom was the leading wagon before VC 1.6. Everyone jumped on me because I was the hot new thing but I maxed out at 5. Mom had more than 5 before that point as I recall.

[Akarin]

I'm so done with this, Gamma.

Like seriously? Your position is that I shouldn't vote my own counterwagon WHEN THAT COUNTERWAGON HAS CRUMBED GUN in this setup if I think they're town?

[Akarin]

tl;dr on this?

Well #747 is a good example but Gamma's been making these kind of pushes all game. They're bad and I think they're bad in a way that's more agenda-driven than is usual for him.

[Akarin]

More trying to bait Gamma into admitting

he

doesn't really hold the positions he holds.

Or wasn't reading the game, which I've since dismissed but was a thought for why that might be a town!Gamma play at the time.

[Akarin]

Which head were you in Chito and Yuuri?

Pretty sure I was Yuuri but it's been a while.

[Akarin]

She was a N1 gun. You could have let her shoot, and that would trade the Day 1 lim for a town-led gun shot.
I don’t think you should have let yourself get limmed, but you also shouldn’t have been okay with mom’s lim.

Does anyone else find it hard to take this as a good-faith thought process?

[Akarin]

You tried to get me to agree with YOUR thoughts. I didn’t think and still don’t think your read there was genuine. So you essentially tried to get me to agree with a point I don’t by asking a deceitful question. I’ve been eternally vigilant about agreeing to things I don’t really do ever since that led to massive problems in one game. I think you tried to manipulate me into agreeing to your base reasoning, which makes my position harder to argue.

Gamma was obviously disagreeing with my reasoning

by play

but had no counterargument and hadn't actually commented on my reasoning at the time (or I think) later.

This isn't a trap town has to worry about.

[Akarin]

Usually competing counterwagons mean scum are invested in the outcome. The simplest, but not only way, is that the counter is scum. So I am wondering why you think otherwise and what purpose Akarin could have served scum so they went to that much effort to save him?

"Invested in the outcome" is a pretty bizarre interpretation of the end of day one for anyone other than me and

maybe

Dunn.

Rose/Mom slot was really the leading wagon at first if you look at the day end, I was the attempt at a counterwagon to Mom that didn't take off enough.

But yes, I believe my voting there was relevant to my survival and I'd do it again.

Also, I'm a her.

[Akarin]

Can we get a claim from JF?

i believe he's currently at E-2, and is him claiming really gonna do anything?

if i had a gun, i'd shoot this slot just for the last line alone

Why? I thought we previously discussed that claiming wasn't really worth anything if it's a Rose claim vs. a random unknown claim because you might just expose another Rose anyway?

Or did you want to massclaim?

[Akarin]

Also, looks like Johnny is getting replaced.

[Akarin]

I am rather conflicted about the claim talk. I feel objectively that most claims should be eliminated but scum would naturally claim the ones that shouldn't be.

The whole idea of massclaim is that we know

exactly

how many Town Roses we have, and the only possible claims are Rose and Gun. So regardless of what scum claim we have everyone in two groups and can figure out that there are exactly X scum in the Roses and X scum in the Guns and target among those claims.

The downside is that scum's win condition is eliminating all the Roses, which is obviously easier if they know who the Roses are.

I'm somewhat against massclaiming right now, but it's not crazy.

The worst of both worlds is to keep making people claim, out all the Roses one by one, but not make scum commit to claims until endgame.

We should either decide we don't care about claims (which was ABR's position) or we should just massclaim like Dunn wants.

[Akarin]

Mod: Is JF being replaced?

Decemeber 21 -

Guns & Roses V

Moderator:

FakeGod

Status:

Day 2, 35 pages

Replacing:

JohnnyFarrar

[Akarin]

If someone has tried to NK someone and failed, could they claim that without giving a name?

Yes I have said multiple times that was a good idea

Why is this a good idea?

It just outs guns, and guns who don't have useful shots left. Like what positive does this possibly accomplish for scum?

Because it's exactly the people scum can then stop worrying about killing.

How can you both be for this but opposed to massclaim?

[Akarin]

er, what positive does this possibly accomplish for town?

[Akarin]

Dunstrall scum.

You seem more sure of this now than the last time you mentioned Dunn, why'd the read get stronger?

[Akarin]

Tanner, do you have any reads right now other than Johnny?

What do you think of Firebringer so far?

[Akarin]

Titus, have you caught up on the game yet?

If not, the start of where the Rose - Me EoD wagons started is around post 459. Maybe you can look at that part of the day and tell us what you think?

[Akarin]

VOTE: Dunnstral
I’m not confident about this but I think it’s a better shot compared to FB

Townread on FB or scumread on Dunn?

[Akarin]

Is

there an FB wagon? I mean is anyone getting any reads one way or another from him yet, or is it all just Johnny Lurkscum.

[Akarin]

Titus, have you caught up on the game yet?

If not, the start of where the Rose - Me EoD wagons started is around post 459. Maybe you can look at that part of the day and tell us what you think?

*sees join date*

How do you not know that I don't read on subbing in unless I have to?

VOTE: Dunn

For the wagons.

Boundless optimism?

[Akarin]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Akarin]

Oh, that's E-1.

I'm okay with it.

---

Firebringer [5] - Tanner, Hiraki, Dunnstral, Bell, Akarin
Dunn [2] - Gamma, Titus
DrippingGoofball [1] - Iconeum,
Gamma Emerald [1] -DrippingGoofball

Not Voting [2] - Firebringer, JacksonVirgo

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to be executed.

[Akarin]

We have 1 day 9 hours from now.

[Akarin]

I'm good, I still really like your new avatar! Never stop losing bets. (But Growlithe is of course very cute too.)

Nothing like the risk of a derphammer to get the blood flowing.

[Akarin]

Well what's your take on Bell's Dunn tunnel? Any clue where Bell is coming from? Is your read on Bell still the same as before?

How about my push on Gamma earlier?

And yeah I found your catchup post very entertaining. Something mean you said really spoke to me.

[Akarin]

I just ate a christmas cookie that tasted like toothpaste.

I thought it gonna be chocolate...

[Akarin]

TWAS I WHO PLANTED IT

Vengeance is sickeningly sweet. And weirdly minty.

[Akarin]

It was the worst mint cookie ever.

I applaud your nefarious baking skill as well as your ninja powers.

[Akarin]

But i got to be honest with myself, was pretty annoying to see after just replacing in and being at E-1

I do feel a bit bad about it.

Not like bad enough to unvote or anything, but still

---

Firebringer [5] - Tanner, Hiraki, Dunnstral, Bell, Akarin
Dunn [3] - Gamma, Titus, Fire
DrippingGoofball [1] - Iconeum,
Gamma Emerald [1] -DrippingGoofball

Not Voting [1] - JacksonVirgo

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to be executed.[/quote]

[Akarin]

When I came in, I wanted to sort day 1. I get roadblocked. You get run up. This I don't feel is a coincidence.

Aren't I the only vote on Fire after his replace-in?

How is that being run up?

[Akarin]

I think the whole game's been kind of static.

4? replacements today doesn't help.

[Akarin]

Akarin, who is cuter. Me or Dunny. Let that be the deciding factor for ur vote

I just had to check, but Dunn still has his eyepatch and morale up arrow on.

That eyepatch will be the death of you, cute-stuff.

[Akarin]

You can just tell yourself it's stockholm syndrome from that dance PT.

[Akarin]

Either that or ur scum. Pretending i am less cute.

Definitely this.

[Akarin]

I honestly probably need to go back and look harder at him, I haven't put as much thought into sorting him as I probably should but I really like him being one of the only people calling out some pretty dumb town consensus narrative stuff (like with my wagon for example) and seeming to actually give a crap about it. It would have been pretty easy for him to just like not post there as scum.

[Akarin]

Titus, do you really feel we were trying to shut you down when you tried to get into the game?

I wasn't trying to shut you down, just your view of things based on FakeGod's vote counts was pretty far from how Day 1 actually played out.

[Akarin]

If Dunn flips town my townread on Bell is officially gone.

[Akarin]

You shouldn’t fucking be

Oh? Do you have a strong townread on FB now?

You wanna bother to question WHHYYY the game is static?

Well my current theory is that because Johnny's scumbuddies didn't want to fight the inevitable-seeming Johnny wagon but also didn't want to contribute to it. I'm eyeing

maxwell

JacksonVirgo

Umlaut

Gún

as I say this.

[Akarin]

If Dunn flips town my townread on Bell is officially gone.

what does dunn alignment have to do with bell again

Bell's been tunneling Dunn all game, even starting in RVS. He doesn't have a strong read or any reasons. Bell has trouble getting that town thought process as scum, and his initial page 1 reads were the main source of my townread on him, but as the days have gone on I'm more and more feeling that was a fluke.

[Akarin]

okay if u think that then why isn't dunn red flip not like a buss by bell if its based on nothing u think

I'm not totally sure that it's not, but it seems gutsy with the everyone just shrugging onto stupid wagons for no reason gamestate we've been in all game. Bell had plenty of time to get off and no real reason to stay on. Dunn was the leading wagon out of RVS, he's definitely been at least danger-adjacent before this point.

[Akarin]

@Hiraki: I actually posted on the benefit to claiming earlier.

I

don't

actually think we should have claimed at that point, but I don't think it's anywhere near as crazy or scumsided as you're implying it was. I think there was a perfectly valid argument to be made for it.

And yeah, I think you're either missing something on the mech front, or just having a kneejerk mech-is-bad reaction.

If that's your main reason for scumreading Dunn I think your read is bad.

[Akarin]

The Dunn wagon skeeves me out and makes me want Firebringer's cute head on a spike even more, but I also am having trouble defending Dunn too hard right now because I feel like I need to go back and reevaluate him more thoroughly and don't really have the time to do so right now.

But the people on wagon aren't making that easy. The case, as far as I can see right now, is just ???

Which is what

every single major wagon this game has been.

Firebringer there's at least Johnny's flagrant lurking out and the gamestate around it really makes me think Johnny is

more

likely scum rather than less, despite whatever Gamma is implying.

[Akarin]

i can't believe u have no read on me yet

In Epilogue it was your push on Taylor that first sold me on you being town.

If you're town here, I'm sorry but you just haven't had the time to give me what I need.

It really is all about Johnny, and people's reaction around Johnny. And if you're town I know that suck to hear.

[Akarin]

Hell, I'm sure it sucks to hear as scum too.

[Akarin]

But like, I like the Johnny wagon infinitely more

now

when it's not the hot new flashwagon.

[Akarin]

The Dunn wagon is just too current.

[Akarin]

Not really
I think it took some level of browbeating

Whose brows got beat?

People have been on and off suspecting Dunn all game but the reason the wagon sprang up to E-1 on him are like... what exactly?

I don't remember some great argument or case or push.

[Akarin]

I should be back in about 12 hours, hopefully, but I'm quite happy with my

Growlithe

cute anime catgirl vote. More the more I think about it.

I like Maxwell's entrance.

V/LA today and tomorrow

[Akarin]

Hey, I'm still pretty busy with Christmas stuff, hopefully more time tomorrow.

But I'm an N1 gun and I murdered Uncrowned in cold blood.

[Akarin]

Hey everyone, I'm dead on my feet. Christmas became this whole big

thing

and I'm just now getting home and back to my normal routine.

I'm not dead, I'm not replacing out. I'll have more time for this tomorrow.

This game really needs a full reread (and an actual reading of the posts from today.) I promise I'll do that, it shouldn't be that bad.

I'm not voting until I catchup.

[Akarin]

To do that I desperately need to reread the early game with flips in mind.

I don't trust my top-of-the-head read in situations like this.

So don't like take this as endorsement of a wagon or anything.

But gut right now from memory is Titus.

[Akarin]

And hey, now I posted actual content rather than a prod dodge at least, thanks Gamma.

[Akarin]

*collapses from exhaustion*

[Akarin]

Okay, 1 day 21 hours. I'm not sleeping until I've done this.

Sorry to keep you waiting everyone.

[Akarin]

I've spent the last like 4 days being stressed out that I hadn't got to Mafia yet, telling myself I'd get to it, staying up late procrastinating and still not rereading the damn game, then collapsing without having done it.

I'm drawing the line here. No sleep until I'm comfortable voting!

[Akarin]

Okay, so are wall like consensus townreading DGB for these posts (right after Dunn initially pointed out the constant replacements on the slot? Does DGB pile onto a suggestion on a partner replacing in like that if it's scum? I'm pretty inclined to townread this, but want a sanity check.

Anyone have any decent meta on DGB, and has this been hashed out already and I'm just forgetting?

Spoiler: DGB quotes

VOTE: maxwell

Ok yeah

If I can venture a guess, the scum team isn't getting along.

Let's do this.

I mean let's yeet maxwell.

Anyone who us against this is scum.

@Mod: Can we have an extension for Maxwell? He joined with less than 24 hours left today.

I've powered through longer games in 24 hours.

I mean let's yeet maxwell.

Anyone who us against this is scum.

Why the hell are you trying to turbo a wagon on me? Are you scum again?


If I were scum, I'd be autohammering Dunnstral, vig shots be damned. Can't speak for the other players in my slot, but JV has a history of flaking from games, I believe, I would advise against reading into that.

[Akarin]

I'm gonna post a bunch of stuff like that as I think things through.

[Akarin]

Dunn still hasn't given a reason why it's pro-town. He's refused to do so under the guise of that no one wants it anyway. Akarin noted that there might be something setup related that I'm missing and then when prompted on it hasn't given an answer.

This doesn't matter anymore, and I haven't gotten to thinking about Dunn yet, but the idea was that splitting town into pools and not claiming what night Roses picked helps POE and some of the roses would have likely been later nights, and we had plenty left anyway.

I just don't think it was a crazy plan.

[Akarin]

Yeah, I'm pretty re-sold on Bell being town at this point.

[Akarin]

So like the only reason I'm not voting Titus right now is that I think I'm prone to being buddied by Dunn and Dunn knows this. Despite that, I feel like Dunn is a buddy and I want to vote Titus instead. Especially their comparative entrances to the start of Day 3.

Also the constant wagons on him all game, with Gun on him quite a bit. I think that's maybe more that Tanner's defense of him, especially given

[Akarin]

I don't even know what that last sentence was supposed to be...

[Akarin]

Okay so it's a big mass of WiFoM but I really think Maxwell's approach to Dunn and then Titus' entrance to the game does really look more like Maxwell/Titus than Maxwell/Dunn to me.

And Dunn is playing this day with just more solviness and less self-preservation than Titus.

[Akarin]

Like why the heck does Titus come into this day voting Dunn before the claim after 2 scum flips?

[Akarin]

So both flipped scum expressed discomfort with the Dunn wagon when Dunn and FB were tied.

Dunn was a reasonably likely flip there and I wouldn't think scum plan on Dunn making it to endgame. Neither of them busses there?

[Akarin]

what are your thoughts on hiraki?

I think Hiraki is more likely town than not, but I think that about everyone other than Titus right now I think.

If Titus flips town I actually think my debate is between Hiraki and DGB. Bell I think it was said DGB pulled a push on a scumbuddy like that in another game, but on the other hand it just seems like playing with fire in that situation to me. Hiraki requested an extension for Maxwell on his replace-in and do you really want to give your partner time to dig his own grave like that when pressure is starting to build and there are 2 tied wagons on town?

So I think right now I'm at

Titus > DGB > Hiraki/Dunn > Bell

[Akarin]

Yeah,
VOTE: Titus

Wagons tied at 2/4

[Akarin]

For me it really comes down to the start of this day actually.

Scum are pretty unlikely to have another kill left. It's 6-1.
Tomorrow is either 4-1 or 3-1 (if somehow vig shot left) if scum get a miselim.

Titus is playing this like defeated scum, Dunn isn't.

[Akarin]

So why

were

so many town so filled with Dunn-bloodlust all game?

Scum looking to miselim him made a lot of sense, but I don't think they really drove it much, other than Maxwell's catchup post thing.