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[geraintm]

hiya peeps.
recognise a few more names than normal.

this game started on the 4th of the 12th, wonder when we will be done by.

[geraintm]

Hey Johnny. Yeah we’ve played... what is it, three times before? This would be the fourth if I’m not wrong. I lost 2 consecutive games as Town against Shelly Scum, and the third one she replaced out as Town (I was also Town). If I believed in policy executions, I would push for shellyc but that’s not my style. The entrance was simply an acknowledgement that Shelly knows what she’s doing as Scum.

16th postVOTE: Andre

[geraintm]

hiya peeps.
recognise a few more names than normal.

this game started on the 4th of the 12th, wonder when we will be done by.

Geraintm should we expect much of the same from you D1 that I’ve seen in the past? Though to be fair, last time you were actually onto something D1, so maybe don’t sell yourself short?

Which game are you referring to?
I am not expecting much more from me today than normal. Shall see after that....

[geraintm]

You could spend the time to find a better avatar

A person with a bouncing pig creature with flopping udders is in no position to say anything about other people's avatars

[geraintm]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Lol VOTE: flavor leaf

I'm just gonna pretend I didn't see that for your own sake

Why would YOUR seeing it be something bad for his own sake?

This is town.

You don't know this

[geraintm]

You don't know this

Unless, of course, he's scum. In which case he does know it. Which begs the question how do YOU know he's not scum?

I merely commented on a post where I think someone was displaying too great overconfidence in a read on day 1. no one can say things like that [outside the obvious scum/mason type roles]. I always dislike people being too confident in their day 1 abilities to read the game. anyone who sits there and builds a scum team day 1, I will just ignore for a while.

flavour has just caused us to waste 2 or 3 days through their vote

When you get far past enough knowing not to self vote, you reach an area where it starts to be okay again.

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this is a perfect example of someone disappearing up their own arse because of trying to be too smart...

VOTE: unwnd

i'll elaborate when im off work

this needs to come. not going to let shelly get away with a vote and apromised explanation and it never appearing....

[geraintm]

can ijust say, the vote log thing is wonderful. thank you @innocentvillager

yw, glad it's helpful! -innocentvillager

[geraintm]

I should have clarified but yes, I meant nopointinactingup

Should we be voting nopo? Or are you advocating a more null read? Nitpicking the read without pushing the other way feels weird to me

don't crib other people's reads to justify your own vote

[geraintm]

I should have clarified but yes, I meant nopointinactingup

Should we be voting nopo? Or are you advocating a more null read? Nitpicking the read without pushing the other way feels weird to me

don't crib other people's reads to justify your own vote

I merely commented on a post where I think someone was displaying too great overconfidence in a read on day 1. no one can say things like that [outside the obvious scum/mason type roles]. I always dislike people being too confident in their day 1 abilities to read the game. anyone who sits there and builds a scum team day 1, I will just ignore for a while.

flavour has just caused us to waste 2 or 3 days through their vote

So it's a pet peeve and a waste of time, then? Do you have a thought one way 9r the other of Flavy?

don't crib other people's reads to justify your own vote

[geraintm]

Also, Gera saying we wasted time when absolutely nobody was here is scummy.

I wish we had an active enough game where that was wasting time.

+1

It looks like trying to find an excuse to jump on your wagon if you ask me.

You've not played with me before? I will not be jumping onto any wagons.
And as people are still discussing them, I stand by my statement that a bunch of days have been wasted.

[geraintm]

Also, Gera saying we wasted time when absolutely nobody was here is scummy.

I wish we had an active enough game where that was wasting time.

+1

It looks like trying to find an excuse to jump on your wagon if you ask me.

You've not played with me before? I will not be jumping onto any wagons.
And as people are still discussing them, I stand by my statement that a bunch of days have been wasted.

Maybe you won’t jump on any wagons, but I still expect you to highlight stuff you see. You put the spotlight on two Scum players last time we played on D1 and were executed for it - I went back and checked. So don’t try and pretend that you can’t make any contributions because that’s not true.

I appreciate your confidence in my ability, it is stronger than my own. I just came off a game where town won and I don't think I voted for any scum at any point.

[geraintm]

Why would scum say that just there? I'm curious. (I also haven't read since like page 10)

well, you've read enough to ask others their thoughts on numerous occasions....

[geraintm]

and I come to the end of a night's worth of posts, I don't think ther ewas any actual votes and then shelly playing silly buggers.

[geraintm]

geraint, are you a very vote-oriented player?

yes. they are actual points of information and all we have to go on. I like seeing what people actually do and their reasoning to get there. I like seeing if their votes follow a logical progression or are plucked out of thin ar. I dislike people who use other people's reasoning to jump onto a wagon.

later in the game there is more info than just votes, but by then you can build up a picture of someone's vote history.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

fairly sure titus is top of my list of scummiest people in the game.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Flavour Leaf

and I still, like in every game I play with them, dislike not-mafia. partly for no explanation votes, partly for walls of animated cows.

[geraintm]

anyone else wanna join the notmafia wagon?

it won't go anywhere, they have Protection from Day 1

[geraintm]

VOTE: nopoint

I'm back.

Let's actually do this
VOTE: not maf

And if you don't wanna, tell me why not.

i like Nopointactingup post 548, I aint going to be voting there at all today.
the two votes I have quotes above just look meh at the moment, but likely more important later in the game and their...direction is probably going to be telling for someone.

[geraintm]

anyone else wanna join the notmafia wagon?

it won't go anywhere, they have Protection from Day 1

why? did I miss a mechanical?

Oh, its just a site wide thing where it is impossible to kill not mafia day 1.
Today is going to end in a town lynch. No lynch is better

[geraintm]

I also think flavour of killed will turn up town

[geraintm]

I think scum are waiting out the deadline so we get no execution on anyone.

I am 98% sure any death we push through now will be of town. To me, better for town for no deaths than that. better to wait until tomorrow and we go with only one player down and some extra info. I cant see anyone today I think is likely to be Scum.

[geraintm]

So, had to go and check what that role was as never seen it before.

[geraintm]

At the same time, it’s rather odd that the Scum would pick Titus as the kill. Titus was barely participating, and the only person they seemed to be gunning for was shellyc. There is a possibility here that we’re being played. Having said that, shellyc actively saying that they would look to join Dunn, but then end up on her own vanity wagon and failing to consolidate was not a good look. Frankly, I didn’t realize that no majority meant no one died. I would have played with more urgency towards the end of the day if I had seen that.

You seriously thought the person with the most votes would end up dead??

[geraintm]

My info is: Not_Mafia is town

I am 100% accepting dunn and not mafia are town for the rest of the game.
2 cleared so early seems good to me, even if we won't get any more cop results.

[geraintm]

I am sorry, I cannot feel my way into this game.
not helping that daughters are off from school and so need loads of supervision on their school work.
today feels like a drifty day, very few people trying to drive anything and we shall end up with a poor elimination. I do not excuse myself from this at all, but wanted to be honest on my position.

[geraintm]

Why so pessimistic geraitnm? There’s still a lot left on this day and some legitimate avenues of inquiry are being pursued.

I don’t think nopoint is Scum. And I TR Johnny now. So I will continue to vote where I’m at. Sorry shelly. If I need to consolidate onto Flavor I might just do that, but again I continue to be skeptical there to some extent.

I just usually am as town, I find uninformed townies pretty suspect in their solving abilities. I include myself in that. I dont know how to identify scum right now, so like day 1 I think we will drift towards a poor elimination because scum won't allow a good one

[geraintm]

Right now I'm looking in Johnny/Hank/Gera and even then that list is not from a perspective where I think this must be the 3 scum, it's just where I want to start so I can start accumulating some stronger townreads hopefully by causing action to take place.

Cool lets lim Hank or Gera then!

I'm a very easy elimination, I'm surprised thr push on me hasnt been stronger. It will be no great loss for town if it happens.

[geraintm]

lemme get this right. Dunn claimed cop and people are still voting there?

No?
I cant see anyone voting for Dunn

[geraintm]

trying to get a handle on the game before the long holidays.

first, titus didn't have any votes on them the whole of yesterday.

today:: noraa's votes seem are just ignorable. I cannot get a read on that slot at all.
nopoint's are mirroring Dunnstral's

looking at the votes yesterday, JohnnyF's were where I wanted to start. 3 of the last 9 were their's, so wanted to see how likely there were to be scum trying to get a free elimination

Dunn, Unwnd, Not Mafia, and Nopoint all have wagons that aren’t able to gain momentum.

There is scum in there.

Lez do this

VOTE: nopoint

I'm back.

Let's actually do this
VOTE: not maf

And if you don't wanna, tell me why not.

VOTE: shelz

I basically hate these votes. and their day 2 play is not much better. I am happy to mark them down as pretty suspicious, esp as one of the 3 people they tried to kill yesterday was Not Mafia who we have as a clear today.

NExt, wi wanted ot look at anyone else who was trying to push any elimination at the end of day 1, NoPoint is the only other one I wanted to check.

548 is a long explanation oof why Dunnstral is scum. and then 599 is a vote for Shelly (now Noraa). the switch from Dunn to Shelly got 2 votes to follow, could have switched back to Dunn at deadline neared to get some more momentum up to 4 votes...
I dunno. I am really stretching there. I can see it scummy if I want to, but day 2 I am going to give them a pass for now.

NoPoint, I think had votes on 4 different people yesterday, today there isn't anything strong about their feelings from what I can see. the vote for hank is to just get rid of a low activity slot. post 851 is very wishy washy

Plusjoyed - a low activity slot day 1. post 726 is useful to peg on them their future changes in reads, but that is pretty much the sum of them. I could see them being scum and their low activity day 1 being one of the reasons nothing got pushed to a successful elimination.

Unwnd - dislike their votes from yesterday. the vote of Flavour asking for shelly for opinion. a vote out of howhere on Hank. leans summy to me but like a lot of players there isn't much to go on.

fuzzy logic - ah man, another slot I can't read well. I do like their vote on unwnd today, but that is a much as I have.

boy, this is hard work trying to read people. I think I am going to VOTE: Nopoint but i'd go to Unwnd too

[geraintm]

I am a total idiot. I meant to
VOTE: johnnyf
not the one I did. please ignore totally that previous error.

[geraintm]

Anways Not Mafia is giving all indication of his town game. He did this last game as town and in the other game I saw where he is town.

fuzzy, N_M's openpost is NAI or else it would fall under the definition of a trust tell

I agree with fuzzy's NM read. I hate NM's read on Johnny but that game that fuzzy mentioned definitely matches up with NM's play here.

I've actually just thought of something that is kinda alarming and tripping me up but why would anyone in their right mind cop NM on day 1? Like that seems like the lowest info cop result possible.

Maybe if I read on, the answer will magically appear.

There is waybtoo much going on in this game.
But I would investigate not mafia, I cannotnread them and I know this

[geraintm]

VOTE: noraa

Johnny wagon composition absolutely sucks.

Whats wrong with me?

[geraintm]

Btw I'm about to drop a case on why Johnny is scum. thing is that I am 99% sure he is scum but don't want him to die anyways.

Ibsont get this logic. If you think someone is scummy why don't you vote them?

[geraintm]

I know for a fact you are scum here, Unwnd, and you know exactly why I know you are scum.

I think Shelly had a decent chance of being the scum leader now, and unfortunate that it got replaced to Noraa.

What are your thoughts on that slot, Unwnd?

I believe people when they make claims. What isnyour reason for knowing unwnd is scum? Inhavent seen you explain yet

[geraintm]

I know for a fact you are scum here, Unwnd, and you know exactly why I know you are scum.

I think Shelly had a decent chance of being the scum leader now, and unfortunate that it got replaced to Noraa.

What are your thoughts on that slot, Unwnd?

I believe people when they make claims. What isnyour reason for knowing unwnd is scum? Inhavent seen you explain yet

It's mainly VCA and gamestate evaluation.

I'd rather fade Noraa today, though, at this point. I'm feeling less inclined to vote Unwnd, and that I was tunneled.

please don't use the word "fact" when it isn't. i will beleive people when they say things like that or make a claim. i abhor fake claims

[geraintm]

I'm a Vig Enabler, Plusjoyed.

oh my. i hadn't seen this claim before. noted

[geraintm]

I'm slightly annoyed at feeling like I'm a lim candidate just because Flavor deemed for me to be so

its okay ur not. he's just annoying and the vig should take care of it tonight please.

we have a vig?

I thought Jacko already claimed vig right?

i really, really shoul be paying more attention. or someone helpfully keep a record of the claims

Dunn is Cop (but no useless)
Not mafia is innocent from Dunn
flavor is VIg enabler
but who is Jacko?? as Vig

[geraintm]

actually who is jacko? Is that Flavor leaf?

oh fuck me. jacko is jacko the amazingest and they aren't in this game. wrong game.

ok, i am really confused now
has someone claimed Vig or not?? or is noraa just making things up

[geraintm]

I have an inno on Johnny (not a cop inno but I'm not willing to say what it is unless Johnny is ok with it). If you lynch me, you'd better not lynch Johnny tomorrow.

so
Dunn = COp (now usless)
Not mafia = innocent from Dunn
Flavour = Vig enabler
NoPOint - some sort of investigative role
Johnny = innocent from NoPoint

UNVOTE:

excuse me trying to keep on top of things in thread

[geraintm]

I'll just fullclaim here and now since everyone's pretty much outed: My role's 1-shot loyal bodyguard. Yes, a complete garbage role that is nearly identical to ABR's garbage fakeclaim in that other game. Loyal modifier on a BG only makes sense if a vig exists in a setup, so I believed the enabler claim.

so
Dunn = COp (now usless)
Not mafia = innocent from Dunn
Flavour = Vig enabler
NoPOint - some sort of investigative role
Johnny = innocent from NoPoint
insanoflex = 1 shot loyal bodyguard - soft confirming Flavour's role

[geraintm]

@ geraintm - This is your free repeat next time I am charging you a wooden nickle

Roles Claim
1)Dunn-Cop
2)

Titus

-

Cop Enbaler

3) Plus- Vig
4) Flavor -

Vig Enabler

5) John- Complex Neighboizer ( can not neighborize scum and VTs)
6) NoPoint-

Watcher Enabler

7) Insane- 1x Loyal Body Guard (cannot protect someone from another alignment)
8) Fuzzy- Vanilla townie
9) Unwind=????
10) Noraa=????
11)

Not Mafia

=????
12)geraintm=???
13) Andre=???

yeah, i just got to this post (i reply as i go along rather than save everything to the end)
i would add that Not Mafia is claimed innocent from Dunn.
it seems like there is a small pool of people who are going to get voted off tonight...

[geraintm]

OK, I'm keeping in mind that Complex Neighborizer is a possible scum role

and enablers are def not certain town. must remember that (for me)

[geraintm]

Hey guys. My living situation is uncertain (Our lease is up) and I need some time to figure out the next course of action in my life. So I'd like to take a V/LA as Mafia will just be an added stress to me. Thanks.

Have you tried asking if there is room in the stable?

[geraintm]

VOTE: unwnd
Been trying to work out where i wanted to vote after my initial read got kiboshed. Think I am happy here at the moment.
Holidays so doing best to keep on top of things, people in this game have more knowledge than me. There must be more stuff out there too if the death last night was not scum aligned....

[geraintm]

VOTE: nopoint

There, nopoint is now hammered anyway and this is a moot point

Its a moo point, because the person with the cow avatar voted for them

[geraintm]

Checking in. Today is my daughters 8th birthday.
I'm straight up vanilla town.
again.
Post more later

[geraintm]

Just to confirm, there is no known reason yet why there was no mafia kill night one?

[geraintm]

Probably the vigilante and mafia targeted the same person

Ah, I hadn't thought of that

[geraintm]

I dont have much time today, but would like to say that I've not lied, notnoverplayed anything, no claims about the game beyond what a vanilla townie would have. I've been dumb the whole game. I'm not clever enough to be anything other than I am

[geraintm]

Atm, I'm seeing a geraint/Flavor scum team.
Geraint is solely meta based. This is not the town!geraint that I remember. I already fucked up a meta read this game so I'm not willing to push this hard but I can link the game I'm talking about.
Flavor's yesterday play was very upsetting. I do think it could easily be to gas me up. And today the fact that he popped in one time but never again kinda makes me think he wants Andres and me to create a shitfest and both get yeeted.

ah, but have you seen me play scum?
im fairly sure this game i am my normal town self, doing my best with the limited info i have. but you know people can change across games right? i can maye see peole going "i play like this as town" but i just dont have enough games for this to be true

[geraintm]

Geraint's ISO from that game:

viewtopic.php?t=84894&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

oh, the game where i called myself the indiana jones of it, as my presence had literally no impact. which is the same as this one
i know i usually do more harm than good as a VT, so i've kept my head down and let those with more info lead the way and avoided the 10 pages discussions between 2 heads

[geraintm]

i know i usually do more harm than good as a VT, so i've kept my head down and let those with more info lead the way and avoided the 10 pages discussions between 2 heads

I just feel like town!you wouldn't feel the need to explain literally anything.

Oh, it is mostly guilt, me wanting to explain myself at thisbatage5. I've been happy enough to let bigger fish drive the game so far, but town needs more from me right now so trying to help. Now, when there is a chance of me getting eliminated then everyone needs to go into it with all the facts I can present. And if people want to kill me based on how I have played in other games, well I don't think that is the best way of slotting me.

Basically, I'm.not the player who is going to get us over the line. But I know killing me won't help so trying to avoid that. I will generally going with the play of "dont help scum win by killing off people who are very, very likely to be toen", so that is pretty much all day 1 votes and me when I know I'm town

[geraintm]

And this isn't a fight. I cous see a case for me being scum, so I don't mind arguing it. I don't see malice, yoy are either scum or misinformed town

[geraintm]

So, my thoughts on noraa.
I am trying to work out why someone would want to eliminate me.

I am VT and contributing very little to the game moving forwards because I have so little info. I tried day 2 looking at votes, but my reads got derailes by claims and I backed off.

So why would someone be pushing me so hard.

If they are scum, do they see me as a placeholder elimination, just getting rid of me to let time pass so they can go after power rolls at night. Or do scum think they can't push onto an actual power role and so land on me by default.

If they are town....I dont know. Clearly something about my play in this game has triggered them amd not sure why.
I dont think they are ever going to let me go though

[geraintm]

Where are we on mass claim?

I went, probably out of order but I wasn't sure of my access and didn't want to hold anything up.
Am VT.

[geraintm]

Gera is town don't vig him

This is true.
I disappear for a few hours and this game has gone weird.
Self vote and then an unknown hammer (from someone who would have hammered anywaus) together with a day 1 no elimination is my kind of game

[geraintm]

Gera is town don't vig him

excuse me
how can you have reads when you have barely any posts
you'd be dead by now if not for dunn

Hes played with me and I am 99% sure was in the one game I was scum. I am very confident not mafia can read me very easily.

[geraintm]

Ps: if you are town noraa and self voted to out yourself 1 vote away in a game with not mafia then you knew what was going to happen. The dead thread should roast you

[geraintm]

Very quick post.
I am VT as I claimed previously.
Indont have time tonight to work out who would be pushing me dead, but if I do go down real quick work out why

[geraintm]

Have people read my post 885? I clearly in it picked out Johnny as the most suspicious person, and made an error with who I voted for that I later corrected. I'm not sure why people are reading so much into it.
I said over night that I thought I was like 40% to get shot, and just disappointed in my play but rolling vanilla town for something like the 8th time in 9 games ...I just dont know how to play well as a townie with no info. My motto is do jo harm, just hope the more informed players can solve the game.

[geraintm]

hello all.
sorry if my extreme passitivity (i never voted Day 3 or Day 1) and uselessness was annoying. i did struggle, and the mid part of the game which degenerated into that weird 10 page back and forths made it very hard to want to keep up.
Watcher just seems so meh for Scum.

What happened end of Day 1, was there any particulr reason SCum couldn't get a miselimination through?