Mini Normal 2187: PIFiMDM [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.17

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-01-04 23:00:00).

execution

Alchemist21 [5]:

2ndchosen1, PenguinPower, Lunar Martian, Elements, Gamma Emerald

Hayker [4]:

AGar, Kazyan,

Dannflor

, NoPowerOverMe

Kazyan [3]:

Papa Zito, Alchemist21, Hayker

NoPowerOverMe [1]:

HeWhoSwims

Not voting [0]:

mod notes

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[PenguinPower]

VOTE: hayker

[Lunar Martian]

At this point we've been around in circles so many times that I'm getting a bit lost. I think the day needs to end. I had a very good feeling about Hayker before, but if that's the direction people want to go I'll vote there if people want. Still prefer Alchemist I think.

[Elements]

Intent to hammer

[PenguinPower]

We’re at e-2

[Elements]

huh, I can't count

[Elements]

VOTE: Hayker
E-1

[AGar]

Hayker is scum

How?

Take a look at their 12 post ISO. It'll take you all of 5 minutes.

The only attempt to figure anything out beyond dusting the surface is exclusively focused on Zito (457, 547 [look at that pseudosymmetry!]), using 11 year old meta in 457 and then flat out selling mistruths in 547. I like Zito. I do not want to yeet Zito, both because he is giving me some town vibes here and also because I like Zito. But Zito has not "come out swinging hard." I haven't felt any pressure being applied behind his votes - he's parked on Kayzan right now despite not mentioning him since post 301 on 12/28. I see his town mindset based on some other things, but 547 is straight up scum telling they know too much and fucking up when they need to justify a TR. They tried to feign some interest in Alchemist in 151 but never followed it up.

177 and 249 are opportunistic attempts to sway something to Elements while ignoring Elements' declaration that they were going to essentially troll a bit at the start of the game. Elements re-explains the joke in 266, and then they switch to "active lurking" in 268 to justify their continued stay. 373 is another fun question with no follow up, nor response to Elements's reply. They asked on Tuesday. It's Saturday.

The rest is background fluff meant not to rock the boat - nothing in 314, 319, and 422 does anything to move the game forward, to suss out Elements alignment more, or to branch to another read. Over the course of 24 hours they popped in 4 (373 was in this window and I've already touched on that) posts that could have just been posts of a 404'd image and it would've been the same contribution as them.

I agree there’s an odd focus on Zito there and the TMI point makes sense.

The tunneling on Elements is more NAI and I would only think 177 and 259 are opportunistic if Lunar is scum. Not sure why scum would feel a need to focus on Elements there and Town wouldn’t otherwise.

I could vote Hayker if need be based on the first part but the rest doesn’t really sell me on it.

And in fairness re 151 I had already said all I had to say regarding Elements so my response wasn’t something Hayker could have really followed up on.

Ok, you don't like the supporting arguments, but how about the fact that they came in here, looked around, made some observations on things currently happening (wagon state, interacting with who they were voting) but completely ignored the post that was "Hey you're scum!"? Like this has already been pointed out at the time you made this post - do you not think that's a questionable thing to do at all?

Semi-related: NPOM's insistence on "Alch is town because I oppose this wagon and any time I oppose a Day 1 wagon, I'm right" and then providing two games to say that that's enough to be indicative is both :chef's kiss: for small sample size and also very bad.

[Dannflor]

Semi-related: NPOM's insistence on "Alch is town because I oppose this wagon and any time I oppose a Day 1 wagon, I'm right" and then providing two games to say that that's enough to be indicative is both :chef's kiss: for small sample size and also very bad.

yes it's bad

scummy? ehh

[Dannflor]

and tbh alchemist is still scummy

yes I have not cased him

but I do think the wagon on him tends towards clean regardless of his alignment. Like he could be town, but also his reaction to both the Hayker wagon and his own is weird. He refused to claim because no one had states there reasoning, but doesn't really do any deeper dive into the people who wagoned him and who might've been most suspicious. It just seems strange coming from town to not look at that further, after all the entire wagon on him can't be scum.

And idk his reaction to the Hayker case is just kinda classic "well I have to lend this some credence because it's my only viable counterwagon at this stage but also I need some plausible deniability if/when it flips town"

[Hayker]

Agar, I invite you to read Papa Zito's iso in kh mafia and tell me what you see in the playbstyle differences

viewtopic.php?t=12809&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

As for why I didnt directly respond right away, I've been told in the oast it's not really a good use of time to respond to random wayward arguments towards you. I am aware I was asked to speculate in Agar's return, I have hsd very limited power on my phone as my electrical just was setup this morning from a moving process I did.

I'm a doctor btw, since I've been brought to L-1. Get off me.

[2ndchosen1]

I feel the argument was hardly wayward, but I just...don't like that penguin and elements both jumped on that wagon so quickly together.

why should I think that this doctor call is even legit hayker?
I'd like to hear Penguin's and Element's reasoning or if it's just sheeping Agar?

there is 1 day as of this morning remaining. I've intent to hammer tonight at midnight if elements and penguin can provide said adequate explanation or if hayker doesn't provide one

[Dannflor]

we don't hammer a doctor claim

we tell hayker to protect me and if I die then we kill hayker

[Dannflor]

I mean I still rather think it's a scum claim but I don't think it's optimal to kill it still

[Dannflor]

it leaves mafia in the position of being unable to kill the doc or the IC unless they wanna narrow down our pool of suspects significantly

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Alchemist

[Alchemist21]

Ok, you don't like the supporting arguments, but how about the fact that they came in here, looked around, made some observations on things currently happening (wagon state, interacting with who they were voting) but completely ignored the post that was "Hey you're scum!"? Like this has already been pointed out at the time you made this post - do you not think that's a questionable thing to do at all?

I agree it’s questionable, and as I said I’m willing to switch to Hayker.

[Alchemist21]

but I do think the wagon on him tends towards clean regardless of his alignment. Like he could be town, but also his reaction to both the Hayker wagon and his own is weird. He refused to claim because no one had states there reasoning, but doesn't really do any deeper dive into the people who wagoned him and who might've been most suspicious. It just seems strange coming from town to not look at that further, after all the entire wagon on him can't be scum.

You were one of the voters.

Elements was another; we know how I feel about that slot already.

I called out Gamma’s vote as being just like the last time he misread me.

The others? Who the fuck knows. They could be scum thinking I’m an easy target, but if scum think I’m a PR they could be avoiding my wagon expecting all the blowback to be on Town when I claim.

[Elements]

VOTE: Alchemist
e-1

[Dannflor]

I called out Gamma’s vote as being just like the last time he misread me.

do you think his repetition of that mistake is alignment indicative one way or another?

[PenguinPower]

I'd like to hear Penguin's and Element's reasoning or if it's just sheeping Agar?

Sheeping Dann, not Agar + what Dann said about Hayker town reading me is right...I haven’t done anything for him to and he hasn’t explained it.

Agree with Dann though. We don’t elim the doc claim D1 even if it’s suspect.

VOTE: alchemist

[Alchemist21]

I called out Gamma’s vote as being just like the last time he misread me.

do you think his repetition of that mistake is alignment indicative one way or another?

Makes him more likely Town imo. The vote looked gross and opportunistic, but so did the one I linked and Gamma’s been bad at reading me for several games now.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Alchemist
e-1

You are very bad at counting.

Now it’s E-1.

[Alchemist21]

Fuck it, I’ll claim since we only have a day left.

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5 pages already is a bit much. I see Danfloor is IC, so that’s good. If I recall correctly he does have good reads as Town.

Let me go back and cite the post but tbere was something I didn’t like from Elements.

VOTE: Elements

2-shot Macho Cop

I crumbed in my very first post which is why I have reason to believe scum could have picked up on it and avoided my wagon.

[Alchemist21]

Y’all need to vote Kayzan now.