Micro 992: Are You My Partner?

[Ben Hargreeves]

Ego.

[Ben Hargreeves]

hello everyone

[Ben Hargreeves]

so who here is my partner

[Ben Hargreeves]

momrangal klaus town Alison scum btw

[Ben Hargreeves]

@klaus so based on our characters we basically have to lock lock clear eachother, right?

[Ben Hargreeves]

diego scum

[Ben Hargreeves]

wait there's so.mant scummy entry posts what are y'all doing

[Ben Hargreeves]

I'm going to lock mafia diego regardless

[Ben Hargreeves]

hello everyone

new account + greeted everyone = scum?

yes

[Ben Hargreeves]

btw like 4 people have called me scum so I'm thread spewed

[Ben Hargreeves]

btw like 4 people have called me scum so I'm thread spewed

Who has called you scum other than maybe Vanya Hargreeves?

Good spotting Watson.
VOTE: Allison

Why did you decide to join this wagon?

bro idk I'm drunk lol

[Ben Hargreeves]

VOTE: Allison

Claiming to know whom we all are. Seems suspicious to me

Is this a serious suspicion?

wait there's so.mant scummy entry posts what are y'all doing

This is because people try to act differently than normal. What people other than Diego Hargreeves have had a bad entrance?

oh I just saw this

well first we had someone come in instantly with a "solvey" post which., normally it's good but it was early and it sounded really forced so I didn't like it

then someone else came in saying they didn't like (ok, sure) but then votes them? I get it's rvs but the light justification for their "random" vote felt unneeded and again, awkward

then someone else joins in to just sheep a vote... which is somehow even worse

it's looking like they have a REAL reason to vote someone in rvs except their thought process for this vote is non existent, since they just sheep it. It's also much too much of an overenthusiastic entry imo

finally, and most scummily, we have someone post then a couple minutes later ego post from their main

I can only really assume this ego post was to signal to their partner who they were, the alternative is that someone else randomly ego posted after their entry, which, while possible... meh

[Ben Hargreeves]

hello everyone

new account + greeted everyone = scum?

yes

Speaking of signals, VOTE: Ben Hargreeves

these wagons always kill a mafia

[Ben Hargreeves]

we have someone post then a couple minutes later ego post from their main

I can only really assume this ego post was to signal to their partner who they were

On rereading I've been bamboozled by this.

If mafia received their roles in the same manner we did then, hypothetically speaking, how would revealing your main signal to a mafia buddy that you are their partner?

For this to be a signal then mafia would have to receive role PMs that say something like "you're mafia and your partner is *main account*" and if this is indeed the case then a couple of people may have slipped already.

Interesting.

yes, this is how it works

[Ben Hargreeves]

Reginald, what's your read on me

[Ben Hargreeves]

Klaus, why is that

[Ben Hargreeves]

Diego is still mafia by the way

[Ben Hargreeves]

then someone else came in saying they didn't like (ok, sure) but then votes them? I get it's rvs but the light justification for their "random" vote felt unneeded and again, awkward

I don’t understand why voting a suspicious person would be a problem, but I understand how that reason is weird if it’s a serious reason.

No

What?

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@Pogo Hargreeves: Why haven’t you answered my question in 37?

the problem with it was their justification of the vote felt scummy to me

[Ben Hargreeves]

I still didn't like his entrance but I'm not going to stick on it much

[Ben Hargreeves]

luther, he's scum cause he posted an entry post and soon after ego posted with his main so their partner knows who they are

this is my theory at least

[Ben Hargreeves]

Why did you first townread Ben Hargreeves?

Post 40 felt like the first post of substance and impressed me as likely coming from town. On rethinking how that fit into the surrounding posts it felt more like he felt obligated to look like town by overexplaining himself. I could be overthinking this and it's possible Ben is just a scummy feeling town player, not sure yet.

uhh I literally was asked a question is why I explained myself?

[Ben Hargreeves]

there's way to hide tells that don't include

1. posting infrequently
2. being monotone

think of it what you want but I promise you I'm not going to make my identity obvious

[Ben Hargreeves]

Reginald, what's your read on me

I beleive I have made my read on you quite clear, 6

Turns out there was an entire page I missed because my fingers are clumsy. I'll read it tomorrow and maybe have something

Maybe, if you stopped jumping in and out of time, you could get your bearings straight.

Also, Pogo and I have nothing to do with the apocalypse happening, TYVM

Ok. Well you're scum lol

[Ben Hargreeves]

I heard a rumour number 6 is getting lynched today.

Nah, Reginalds reasons so scum read me are really fuckin clowny and can only come from a mafia. Once he posts more and I feel like it I'll just bury him and he'll die and flip red clearing me

[Ben Hargreeves]

I heard a rumour number 6 is getting lynched today.

Nah, Reginalds reasons so scum read me are really fuckin clowny and can only come from a mafia. Once he posts more and I feel like it I'll just bury him and he'll die and flip red clearing me

Why no comment on Vanya’s #109 post and reasoning for voting you?

I didn't think they warranted a comment

[Ben Hargreeves]

I heard a rumour number 6 is getting lynched today.

Nah, Reginalds reasons so scum read me are really fuckin clowny and can only come from a mafia. Once he posts more and I feel like it I'll just bury him and he'll die and flip red clearing me

You can't fight the rumors

And, you cant discredit me because

1) you are the only one who seems to have even thought that it was a mafia signal which means
2) you were looking for mafia signaling their partner
3) you know minimegabyte is scum
Which then means
4) you are either he, or the partner of he

You can't win against daddy

if you aren't looking for mafia signaling their partners you have a bad approach to this game. Also, thinking I'm the partner of minimegabyte is insane when I decide to call what I figure his slot is lock mafia.

[Ben Hargreeves]

That page was pretty boring.

I do have to agree with Ben that we should all be looking for people signaling their partners. Since there's no informed minority, that is literally the only way to win this set up.

Reginald, that Limey bastard, is town.

I'm not loving this Ben push.

Tbh Reginald could be town, even though is push is annoyingly bad. What do you think of Diego

[Ben Hargreeves]

Diego said Hello.

I have summarized his full iso and have no thoughts about a hello

oh, yeah, his ISO is empty lol. Do you think the ego post from a main soon after his ISO was a signal?

[Ben Hargreeves]

Reginald, why do you scum read Allison

[Ben Hargreeves]

Allison, can you explain your vote on me and development of the read on my slot

[Ben Hargreeves]

I'm fine with a Ben flip tbh.

bad opinion bad read

[Ben Hargreeves]

I heard a rumour number 6 is getting lynched today.

Nah, Reginalds reasons so scum read me are really fuckin clowny and can only come from a mafia. Once he posts more and I feel like it I'll just bury him and he'll die and flip red clearing me

Why no comment on Vanya’s #109 post and reasoning for voting you?

I didn't think they warranted a comment

I find this really curious that you have no opinion on this.

I'd like more from them in general, their vote is starting to look look worse cause if how they've not commented on anything outside it, but voting someone for a random nonsense reason is pretty normal early game

nothing about the vote really stood out to me at the time

[Ben Hargreeves]

It could be a signal of who he is, but even if it is, if he's not posting, I have a hard time saying that it's scum signaling for minimegabyte to be a slot which is not participating. I'm just not seeing how this helps him at all.

Think Five is also town. Thoughts on Vanya? I thought their Ben vote was kind of lazy.

agreed that he's probably town

[Ben Hargreeves]

VOTE: Allison Hargeeves

[Ben Hargreeves]

also the longer we sit around fluffing the easier it is for scum to find each other

give your reads

[Ben Hargreeves]

Reginald, why do you scum read Allison

VOTE: Allison Hargeeves

This is quite a progression here. I also agree with Diego's assessment. We should go by tone on D1 and go for a Random Lynch. The reason I suspect Ben here is that he does not care so much to hide his identity. Now that he is in trouble, he votes me instead of leading elsewhere. It's obvious self preservation and in a setup like this that is scum motivated.

There is nothing linking the first and second quote together, you realize?

[Ben Hargreeves]

Allison, your ISO has nothing to say of anyone that isn't me. Your points are bad; for example you try to act as if asking someone why they scum read you means I can't myself. You also expressed town reading me before voting me, but haven't explained why since, and you camping your vote on the lead wagon while having nothing of substance to contribute to the game is pretty scummy

[Ben Hargreeves]

Can you explain what "I also agree with Diego's assessment" is supposed to mean? This seems like a pretty bad reason to vote me, when the person you're taking this reasoning from is doing much less to hide their "tone" than I am. Do they not have enough votes for you to want to scum read them?

[Ben Hargreeves]

You and Diego need to stop being spammers. Well, I believe you are just mafia looking for partner, but your knee jerk reaction to say that "nothing links those quotes" versus explaining what your actual progression has been scummier. Your vote is OMGUS. We should be lynching within the pool of players who are clearly playing with disregard for hiding their identity. You don't actually care about finding mafia to lynch, you have simply marked me as "not partner" and want to push in my direction. It's extremely obvious to me.

If you bothered to read you'd see what you're saying is wrong. How about commenting on any aspect of the game other than saying "town shouldn't communicate," considering this point is actually contrary to how to find scum?

[Ben Hargreeves]

Ben, the difference between you and Diego here, is that I can see Diego purposefully playing in a misleading way to obscure their main. You on the other hand just do not care. You want to be found by your partner as soon as possible. That is the mafia mindset here. I townread you on first glance because of what appeared to be scumhunting was going on. But on reread it was obvious what was going on instead. I didn't said town shouldn't communicate, but we should be treating this like a post restricted game so we don't slip our main accounts by accident and eliminate people from mafia's "not partner" pool.

And what is telling you I don't care?

[Ben Hargreeves]

VOTE: unvote

[Ben Hargreeves]

VOTE: Diego

Don't think this is the vote

[Ben Hargreeves]

Though I suppose encouraging some reads won't hurt

[Ben Hargreeves]

ben is either town or a kangaroo with a diego sized pouch

I'm both

[Ben Hargreeves]

can you pocket ppl as town?

Why not?

[Ben Hargreeves]

fwiw, I think Allison sticking to this gimmick of thinking people should be low posting most likely comes from a town misled by how to properly approach this format than a scum who's leaning into a gimmick to excuse posting, though both are possible so I still would like more from them

[Ben Hargreeves]

in my brain pocketing is always something scum does
when town pocket ppl isnt it called a bloc

I find it useful to play into people liking me even as town

[Ben Hargreeves]

there is a BIG difference between liking someone and town reading them
there are plenty of people who i despise being in games of mafia withw ho i can townread
and pleanty of ppl i love playing mafia with but can't read

Sure, but you probably are more inclined to town read people you like

[Ben Hargreeves]

there is a BIG difference between liking someone and town reading them
there are plenty of people who i despise being in games of mafia withw ho i can townread
and pleanty of ppl i love playing mafia with but can't read

Sure, but you probably are more inclined to town read people you like

this post is making me HATE u

That works too

[Ben Hargreeves]

love it when reaction tests get instant results

Diego, what reaction were you wanting and what did you end up getting from this

[Ben Hargreeves]

i am not good enough at mafia to think about the reactions i want from reaction tests i just wanted to judge them

What did you get, then?

[Ben Hargreeves]

how did our accounts get the avatars?

Anyone with avatars from Umbrella Academy were assigned, but you also were able to change your avatar once before the game started. Anyone without one of those, like myself, did that

[Ben Hargreeves]

Diego is still mafia by the way

Ben what happened to this stance? Does this no longer apply?

I don't agree with it any more, don't know how much I should expound

[Ben Hargreeves]

Diego is still mafia by the way

Ben what happened to this stance? Does this no longer apply?

@Ben who do you currently think is scum?

I’m currently townreading Klaus, Reggie, Five and Pogo. Allison is a null. I liked her adamant response to me even if I strongly disagree with the reasoning behind it.

So I guess it’s between Vanya, Ben and Diego probably.

I'm not sure who is scum, I find myself generally agreeing with your direction in reading the people you list as town, but when the conclusion is "scum is therefore between Vanya, Ben, and Diego" it makes me take a step back. Vanya has barely contributed, so while a scum read on them is probably warranted I'm not confident in it. I'm town. Diego I still need more from too.

Basically, your scum list is a townie and two people who haven't given enough to confidently read them. Which basically guarantees me there's some incorrect reads.

Let me do some ISOs in a bit and I'll give my reads

[Ben Hargreeves]

luther, he's scum cause he posted an entry post and soon after ego posted with his main so their partner knows who they are

this is my theory at least

Yeah that’s definitely bad. I almost did the converse but then realized I would be outing who I was, so yeah. I like your avatar eventhough Jingle chose it. It’s Diane Nyugen in case anyone cares.

We are all warned against doing that and you absolutely shouldn’t if your town and if you do an ego post on your main, you should wait a reasonable amount of time, so no one ties it to your alt. I didn’t primarily because I didn’t want to risk main slipping.

I just saw this post. I actually did choose my avatar, thanks

[Ben Hargreeves]

While reading ISOs and such I thought about a problem I might have with reads. I said "I'm scum" or whatever at the start of the game for fun, who knows maybe a mafia wasted their day ability on me because of that. But either way a lot of people took it a bit serious. I wonder if the mafia may have been inclined to town read me after seeing that, thinking I'm their partner

[Ben Hargreeves]

I'd probably exe Klaus or Vanya if I had to choose right now, but neither of these are choices I'm really happy about. I think Pogo is town, and Luther is town.

I was thinking about what I posted above when considering my read on Five. It actually makes me apprehensive about him, but I think the nuance in his thought, as in saying he didn't like the votes on me but then also later clarifying he still believes the votes to come from town, is towny enough.

I think Klaus is getting town reads too easily. His ISO is fine but nothing particularly stands out.

My read on Diego earlier was wrong, so I don't think they're certainly mafia, but it's not a good look that they said they would catch up and then didn't, or at least didn't comment much on the game.

Allison's points are all bad and directly anti town which makes me wary but I don't think a mafia acts so... blatantly anti town. She still never decided to give reads on anyone other than myself though, and if she doesn't start playing the actual game I'm gonna be pretty inclined to exe her

How long until I get called mafia for progressing the game?

[Ben Hargreeves]

Ah, I got names mixed up. I meant I'd exe Reginald or Vanya in my post above, not Klaus

[Ben Hargreeves]

VOTE: Reginald

[Ben Hargreeves]

Why Reginald? Is it the reason you said Klaus?

no, the things I said about Klaus are about Klaus, sorry for the confusion

I'd exe Reginald because his push on me was scummy imo and he has nothing I'd town read in his ISO which is a mostly pretty bad look

[Ben Hargreeves]

While reading ISOs and such I thought about a problem I might have with reads. I said "I'm scum" or whatever at the start of the game for fun, who knows maybe a mafia wasted their day ability on me because of that. But either way a lot of people took it a bit serious. I wonder if the mafia may have been inclined to town read me after seeing that, thinking I'm their partner

Well the illusion has well and truly died now Master Ben, whatever perceived advantages your opening brought are redundant thanks to this post.

Yeah, but people were legitimately scum reading me for it and it got annoying

[Ben Hargreeves]

You were the most tempestuous babe, so color me unsurprised.

lol

[Ben Hargreeves]

Reginald's 120 looks like a town post to me. I'd be more inclined to shake up Vanya.

His confidence is towny but I suppose I'm less inclined to give him points for that when his confidence is extremely misplaced and obviously incorrect.

[Ben Hargreeves]

I mean literally none of the progression in his logic makes sense which I would assume misrepresenting what people say to call them scummily is kinda scummy but you're free to disagree

[Ben Hargreeves]

VOTE: Vanya having thoughts

[Ben Hargreeves]

e-2 btw

[Ben Hargreeves]

I think my thoughts are good but I'm not sure if I want to out a team read day 1

[Ben Hargreeves]

can I just out my read

[Ben Hargreeves]

please

[Ben Hargreeves]

Intent to vote Vanya

Why?

[Ben Hargreeves]

Intent to vote Vanya

Why?

Is that not what you want?

How about answering the question

[Ben Hargreeves]

Are you scum or a really bad town lol

[Ben Hargreeves]

Probably just scum

[Ben Hargreeves]

Also, I'm going to out my read because I feel like it. I meta read Mini, the person who ego posted after Diego. Mini is Vanya. Allison has had awkward interactions with Diego and myself, including scum reading me for no reason after I scum read the slot assumed to be Mini. Her reason to scum read me was applied inconsistently, voting me for not "hiding my identity" but ignoring commenting on Diego much who did the same.

Once I meta read Mini and realized they were Vanya I thought it was interesting that Minis slot just so happened to be scummy, and I've also gotten a decent amount of pushback for basically no reason today. I assume assume of this is mafia who didn't like my Mini read so pushed me

Allison fits that perfectly and is also scummy in her own right

Allison and Vanya are mafia

[Ben Hargreeves]

Die scum

[Ben Hargreeves]

It's pretty amusing you're attempting to compare playing the game and meta reading a slot I thought was scum to your play of blatantly outing you're trying to find players by frustratedly announcing my main without reason and spending zero of the day trying to find mafia while dodging questions

[Ben Hargreeves]

lol keep this posting up and I won't even have to bury you

I will though because it's fun

You talk all game about how people are being "too obvious" with their mains and single out me specifically for it

If I'm so obvious you should know my main, yes?

So you must know it was Esooa, and you used that

I wonder why

But yes my main is Esooa, and no I won't need to "find my partner" because PT is opened by default when a scum dies

which will happen after your flip

VOTE: Allison

[Ben Hargreeves]

isnt hardclaiming main against the rules?

nah

[Ben Hargreeves]

I'm not gonna be checked by maf cause I'm obvious town so I didn't mind to much

and showing Allison how full of shit her posting is was fun too

[Ben Hargreeves]

I wouldn't thunderdome you here by the way if I wasn't sure that you were playing a scum agenda. The fact your response is to call it "scum motivated" is ridiculous. That's not the Esooa town playbook.

lol

[Ben Hargreeves]

Allison, explain then

how am I signalling my partner?

[Ben Hargreeves]

so who here is my partner

Do you really think that mafia can't find easier ways to find their partner? It's honestly not hard to figure out who is who even if they try to "hide" it

can you explain why I, as mafia, would take this route rather then be more subtle about it? For exaple I know a player who has mentioned before that it'd look suspicious if he left the thread just based on the times he's usually awake and active

why bring all this attention to myself?

[Ben Hargreeves]

it

Because the player you claimed is not well known at all around here. It makes sense you need to make yourself more overt.

you're not even trying if that's all you can come up with. I'm not well known here? What if I just asked how to vote then? It'd be pretty innocuous and tell everyone I'm a newer player on the site. Want to know why I thought of this, by the way?

because I forgot how to vote, look at my early posts and how long I waited to vote

for this reason

[Ben Hargreeves]

Like you're honestly not trying if you think mafia need to signal by saying "hi I'm xxxx's partner" in thread

[Ben Hargreeves]

K. If you're town I want to flip Luther because their posts give me TMI vibes.

explain

[Ben Hargreeves]

Ok, well I personally have found his questioning to be the most productive out of the slots which have primarily engaged by questioning people randomly, but I'll look over his ISO with that in mind later. I expect you to do some actual solving in thread by the way. You already main slipped (lmao) anyway

[Ben Hargreeves]

Nahh claiming main was fun I don't regret it

[Ben Hargreeves]

daddy needs to come home to punish ben and allison!

stop .

[Ben Hargreeves]

make me

dont actually look at the spoiuler unless you want to feel extreme pain

I'm gonna beat you up

[Ben Hargreeves]

alright next shine meet me in the parkling lot LOL we can fight

bet

[Ben Hargreeves]

UNVOTE: Allison

[Ben Hargreeves]

By the way, it obviously probably would have been better if I didn't out my main but I did think Allison was saying what my main was, though I see how she wasn't now

But eh

happens

[Ben Hargreeves]

Yes I was trying to force a roleswap by pretending to slip it as if I was saying "vote me" as you.

My immediate assumption wasn't that you were saying it about yourself, seeing as you were using my name, lmao

and the formatting confused me

but rn I think you're >rand!town

[Ben Hargreeves]

making up a mech excuse in a setup where there is no real mech play for town?? how about no
pogo is right
VOTE: allison

Someone could easily say quick hammering is useful so as to reduce discussion time which allows scum to find eachother

I would disagree with this, but they could

[Ben Hargreeves]

I am really disappointed in both of you to be honest. I feel like you're obviously not on the same team, and given recent events I feel there is scum in at least one of you. If I were tone reading both of you I'd say you're both just anti-town...but you've forced my hand into gladiating you both until I've stopped feeling betrayed.

if you doubt my alignment, largely due to my behavior re:mains, here are some ways I *was* trying to not make it obvious who I was:

I posted frequently, but none of it was filler

I capitalized the beginning of each sentence. My typical typing style would be not to capitalize the first letter of the first sentence in my post, but as others were capitalizing it, I followed suit

I used no emotes

etc

I'm not very good at 'altering' my posting style so to speak, but an attempt was obviously made

[Ben Hargreeves]

And you also let town test to see if scum already did find eachother.

I did actually consider the play here but decided against it and instead used it to reaction test.

Though trust me I would have already found my partner by this point.

I was thinking the same, I'd be surprised regardless of how callously I played with my alt if scum didn't find each other today

[Ben Hargreeves]

I am really disappointed in both of you to be honest. I feel like you're obviously not on the same team, and given recent events I feel there is scum in at least one of you. If I were tone reading both of you I'd say you're both just anti-town...but you've forced my hand into gladiating you both until I've stopped feeling betrayed.

if you doubt my alignment, largely due to my behavior re:mains, here are some ways I *was* trying to not make it obvious who I was:

I posted frequently, but none of it was filler

I capitalized the beginning of each sentence. My typical typing style would be not to capitalize the first letter of the first sentence in my post, but as others were capitalizing it, I followed suit

I used no emotes

etc

I'm not very good at 'altering' my posting style so to speak, but an attempt was obviously made

i townread this if only bc ur newb

it's just too easy

[Ben Hargreeves]

my list of who i want to lim to least want to lim:

Luther>Pogo>Five>Ben>Reginald>Klaus>Diego>Vanya

Why is Diego so high?

[Ben Hargreeves]

we have someone post then a couple minutes later ego post from their main

I can only really assume this ego post was to signal to their partner who they were

On rereading I've been bamboozled by this.

If mafia received their roles in the same manner we did then, hypothetically speaking, how would revealing your main signal to a mafia buddy that you are their partner?

For this to be a signal then mafia would have to receive role PMs that say something like "you're mafia and your partner is *main account*" and if this is indeed the case then a couple of people may have slipped already.

Interesting.

Allison, what do you make of dumb tells like this?

[Ben Hargreeves]

VOTE: Five

this is fine

[Ben Hargreeves]

from the way the sample pm in OP looks it seems like that might actually be how the scum role pms work which is a bit scary because it's probably obvious who I am

this post is actually hilarious

[Ben Hargreeves]

from the way the sample pm in OP looks it seems like that might actually be how the scum role pms work which is a bit scary because it's probably obvious who I am

I was actually using you as the person that would be "me" up until I altslipped so lol.

how long were you thinking it would be until you did?

[Ben Hargreeves]

why did you winky at me

[Ben Hargreeves]

[Ben Hargreeves]

was that hammered? I didn't think it was

[Ben Hargreeves]

@Allison you definitely weren't hammered

[Ben Hargreeves]

You still weren't hammered

[Ben Hargreeves]

lol

[Ben Hargreeves]

No one should hammer this early into the day, btw

[Ben Hargreeves]

voting Allison is: Diego, Pogo, Allison

[Ben Hargreeves]

Ben why are you active lurking?

is it a problem?

[Ben Hargreeves]

voting Allison is: Diego, Pogo, Allison

Okay so that’s only 4 then, so who the fifth? Maybe she isn’t hammered then?

i dont care. i want you and Five limmed.

Why when neither of us are even voting you?

Also why is Five scum? I’ve lost count how many times I keep asking you this.

they're not

[Ben Hargreeves]

they're not hammered*

[Ben Hargreeves]

I think Five is a fine slot to pressure

[Ben Hargreeves]

wow Allison u got some clout

[Ben Hargreeves]

I wonder if maybe scum!five would be inclined to town read me early because I claimed scum lol

[Ben Hargreeves]

hmm figuring out my wagon composition is difficult because of this >:/

[Ben Hargreeves]

Excuse me while I puke.

you're not excused

[Ben Hargreeves]

Also when did "lim" become a thing is "lynch" no longer PC?

bruh moment

[Ben Hargreeves]

Thanks everyone for the update, I need to find a word that vibes with me, but for this game "lim" is fine.

sorry if my original response to you was a bit dismissive lol

usually people who ask questions like that aren't very interested in the answer, from my experience

but yeah, I'm not too sure on the best replacement, so exe/lim is just generally what I go with

[Ben Hargreeves]

I wonder if maybe scum!five would be inclined to town read me early because I claimed scum lol

You didn't claim scum, though, you made a joke about it.

Who takes that sort of shit as serious claims?

Also, I didn't ever town read you, I said I did not understand the push on you, very different things.

I wondered the same but Allison's insistence on it made me doubt

though not town reading me doesn't change my point, that it's possible you didn't want me lynched assuming I may be your partner. Not too sure how much to read into it regardless though

[Ben Hargreeves]

I don't give a shit if it's alignment indicative, I don't play with toxic shitheads as a rule of thumb.

while I understand the principle, I'd like to win, and voting out people you think are scum achieves that much more than policy exes

[Ben Hargreeves]

relax my guy thx

I think five was roleplaying with the "you're idiots" and similar things

I enjoy it

[Ben Hargreeves]

why has this game felt frozen for so long

how to you mean? We've had some fun fighting between myself Allison and Luther recently

[Ben Hargreeves]

Klaus is stalling...his posts are nothing but nods here and there. It very much feels like he's trying to maintain a presence after an initial almost Q&A opening. I say we squish him.

I'm not opposed to this

[Ben Hargreeves]

Hello. Greetings. Is any person home at this very moment?

yup

[Ben Hargreeves]

@Allison @Luther

Do you think scum have found eachother yet? If we think not I'd be cool just hammering someone we all are cool with killing rn tbh

[Ben Hargreeves]

I've thought it about it more and I'm comfortable enough in my reads right now to exe

Also the roleplaying thing is just a comment about how he's posting

[Ben Hargreeves]

theres a 75% chance scum have found eachother and the 25% implies certain scum universes and restricts our pool.

So you would want to?

[Ben Hargreeves]

if we're turbovoting Five yes

I would be cool with this

[Ben Hargreeves]

It's possible scum haven't used their day actions yet so if the next two people who come into thread also vote Five they may not get the opportunity to, funny as that is lol

[Ben Hargreeves]

It's possible scum haven't used their day actions yet so if the next two people who come into thread also vote Five they may not get the opportunity to, funny as that is lol

That would be great. Does this mean then they can’t change the setup? If they can’t NK, they’re probably doomed.

They get to use their ability each day, so even if they haven't today and we exe someone, they'd be able to use them tomorrow

[Ben Hargreeves]

whats the catch. whos the deepwolf

me

[Ben Hargreeves]

ah wait you're going to take that as serious, aren't you?

[Ben Hargreeves]

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@pogo @klaus

are you ok with hammering Five? If not, can you explain why?

[Ben Hargreeves]

@pogo @klaus

are you ok with hammering Five? If not, can you explain why?

No. Five is LHF.

Scummy post

[Ben Hargreeves]

@pogo

Can you address any of the actual reasons given as to why we would want to hammer Five, and can you justify town reading them to any extent?

[Ben Hargreeves]

I'm half inclined to shift this hammering to Pogo if he doesn't want to vote Five

[Ben Hargreeves]

By the way, Five has done just about everything Pogo is currently accusing Klaus of

[Ben Hargreeves]

I can't believe I'm actually bored enough to comply with this question but time to ISO Five

[Ben Hargreeves]

I changed my mind, this is easier

VOTE: Pogo

[Ben Hargreeves]

i have a hot take but i think pogo leans town here but theyre uh just being incredibly bad in their logic

I agree I just wanted to see if threatening exe'ing him would get him to vote Five

[Ben Hargreeves]

VOTE: Five

[Ben Hargreeves]

UNVOTE:

the quick hammer strat is dead I think, might as well hear Five out at this point

[Ben Hargreeves]

UNVOTE:

the quick hammer strat is dead I think, might as well hear Five out at this point

we just did. what did u think of their AtE

their posts so far aren't very towny but we also might as well hear from other people too. Do you still think hammering soon would be +EV after how many people have been itt and such things?

[Ben Hargreeves]

it was almost v good because we almost had 4 of my town reads all hammer someone outside of my town reads before anyone else was in thread but Pogo was stubborn and messed it up, so sad

[Ben Hargreeves]

Pogo, you worry about the main stuff is understandable, but there's a progression that I can say doesn't make sense

1. Allison was pushing me and already knew my main, if we were partners they wouldn't push me like this
2. *after* we knew eachother mains we town read eachother, as you say, but this doesn't make sense from the perspective one of us is scum. Wouldn't the scum want to continue to push the other, not town read?

[Ben Hargreeves]

boop

[Ben Hargreeves]

I knew it was too. It's not that difficult to read the OP LOL

[Ben Hargreeves]

I have a couple of theories, my fav of which is: If Allison is scum, she would know she's looking for x main, so she claims to be x under the rouse of "tricking scum" but really she just wants her partner to out. So you out and she slips to confirm she is your buddy. You both then band together to run over the town.

so you think they are in the pt right now wifoming whether or not to turn this game into mountaineous?

I thought they didn't get the PT until D2?

Isn't it interesting that Ben is not voting the poor chap he so desperately wanted squished.

never before have reads changed

[Ben Hargreeves]

oh, you're talking about five? No, I don't town read him. But there's not a point to hammer right now as far as I can see

[Ben Hargreeves]

I thought you were talking about Allison and myself still

[Ben Hargreeves]

i don't think ben is the kind of player who doesn't hit the mountainous nut button

lmao what does this mean

[Ben Hargreeves]

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lmfao valid read

[Ben Hargreeves]

yup, I unvoted five earlier. See why that might be useful, pogo? :p

[Ben Hargreeves]

hmm

I mean I'll believe it but coming into thread after days of absence then putting someone at e-1 is also weird btw

[Ben Hargreeves]

So Ben is clearly town. Anyone who votes them today has to go through me.

Pogo why would you follow me? I have done nothing to demonstrate good or bad reads.

Why did you vote Alison soon as I did?

what makes you think so?

[Ben Hargreeves]

A few of pogo's posts have pinged me a decent bit, that one for example I thought it would be weird to be an actual reaction test

and Pogo's attitude in regards to myself and Allison has been off

but I'm not sure how much of this I can actually call scummy, as their posts do seem very real and I can see a town following the logic Pogo's presented

there's also the fact Pogo refused to vote Five earlier even when I threatened getting them hammered for it, in a thread state where it's honestly possible they could have gotten exed

[Ben Hargreeves]

obviously that's something to consider

[Ben Hargreeves]

Why do you think the wagon on Allison stalled then on me stalled? << This is to Ben and Pogo

Allison: I began town reading them, and so did Luther/Diego

Vanya: it never feels great to hammer someone for no posting because while it is scummy, it's not something you can exactly be confident in. Alison also defended you

imo

[Ben Hargreeves]

what does beetlejuice mean

[Ben Hargreeves]

I disagree that the more active players are scum. Who would this list constitute, anyway?

[Ben Hargreeves]

Why do you think the wagon on Allison stalled then on me stalled? << This is to Ben and Pogo

Allison: I began town reading them, and so did Luther/Diego

Vanya: it never feels great to hammer someone for no posting because while it is scummy, it's not something you can exactly be confident in. Alison also defended you

imo

Yeah I don’t give a shit who defends me. I care about thoughts and why.

Why did you townread them? Diego is possibly scum with Alison (even though I am voting Pogo atm yes hypocrite I know) so their townread doesn’t hold as much for me.

Mainly I want to see what the catalyst “event” where votes left Alison and the catalyst “event” where votes moved off me. The reason why may illuminate scum.

idk I'm in bed and don't wanna reread for this right now

[Ben Hargreeves]

Right now the top four are Allison,Ben,Pogo, and Luther. Pogo is choppy/active lurking so my guess would be a scum in those four.

ben: I'm town
alison: explicitly was trying to low post and was telling other people to vote post before they got pushed by me/main slipped and started posting more
luther: idk what your read on him is but I like him
pogo: ig could be scum

if you think there's scum equity in pogo/Luther but yeah, Alison's situation around being a "high poster" is unique and I'm town and we're the two highest posters is why I'm not sure on it

[Ben Hargreeves]

low post not vote post

[Ben Hargreeves]

Okay...then who would you town block outside of that four Ben?

idk, Allison I think would want you included which I'm meh on. It'd probably be

Allison, myself, Luther

tentatively Vanya, pogo, klaus

as of right now

[Ben Hargreeves]

obviously, this is prone to revaluating. I wouldn't be particularly surprised if anyone here is scum, but I'm wanting to exe outside these people rn

[Ben Hargreeves]

oh yeah, diego probably can be tentative too

which makes me hate the list immediately cause no way my 2/2 is right

[Ben Hargreeves]

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Diego Hargreeves
Five Hargreeves
Reginald Hargreeves

Then it’s fair to say reversing this list that all scum are in these three players in your opinion? Do you believe this?

I think five and Reginald both are decently >rand scum but I don't think two scum are in this three. It's probably a fine working list but it needs improvement considering

[Ben Hargreeves]

maybe I'll need to look into pogo more

I want to say Allison could be scum but their approach up until their main slip would be really weird if so

Klaus definitely could be

you could be

pogo....... maybe, he's hard to judge

[Ben Hargreeves]

oh yeah, diego probably can be tentative too

which makes me hate the list immediately cause no way my 2/2 is right

That’s why I like reversing lists like that. Now you can reassess what may be wrong or start from the read you’re surest on.

What’s the read you’d bet your life on being right?

I'd most be surprised if Luther were scum

[Ben Hargreeves]

I'm not really a town-blocky kinda chimpmanzee, but you guys do whatever helps us win. I'm much too paranoid for that.

what do you prefer?

[Ben Hargreeves]

I love how posting some drivel then ISP'ing is "in town meta"

not disagreeing necessarily, but I do love it

[Ben Hargreeves]

Luther you're almost townreading everyone and contrary to the natural inclination of townies to scumread me, you and Diego have pretty comfortably townread me most of the game.

I don't think your positioning is scummy like Ben's, but I just get a "don't rock the boat" type agenda to your posts. It's not a bad thing to be a nice person, I just don't trust it. I want to townread you... if that counts for anything.

the way you're still stuck on your bad reads regarding myself/Allison

[Ben Hargreeves]

Having five as your ONLY town read is honestly egregious tbh

[Ben Hargreeves]

diego, did you actually find Reginald post convincing, I find that hard to believe

[Ben Hargreeves]

do not understand how Reginald saying I'm "constructing a narrative where I'm the hero" is something any other player can agree on. Is there a reason you find this agreeable? Like what about my posts makes you think so

and what about the pogo discussion?

[Ben Hargreeves]

he also says he's "perturbed by the obsession of mini megabyte"

I'm pretty sure I've explained my thoughts on this slot quite clearly

I thought it was you, I pushed you. When you came into thread you sounded actually worried. I decided to read a mini game and saw their posting style was nothing like yours so I stopped thinking you were shun. I noticed how I got pushed a lot for bullshit reasons and said I think it's because mini is scum and their partner doesn't like I'm pushing them. I explained why Allison's read on me seemed the most forced and pushed them

what about this exactly doesn't make sense

[Ben Hargreeves]

and what about the pogo discussion?

what about it? pogo expressed doubt and i talked to the monkey about it and then sort of went hmmm after

his thoughts were that Allison and myself were teamed. Do you think that's believable?

[Ben Hargreeves]

Reginald saying Allison seemed tunnely early on is a completely fake read by the way

Every single post from Reginald before he left was about me I'm pretty sure so I really don't think that while he's doing this and doesn't post about anything else he's going "wow Allison is posting about Ben a lot"

[Ben Hargreeves]

not sure why Reginald believes there's necessarily a scum between myself and Allison

he says this while saying we're both scum btw

VOTE: Reginald

I'm probably not moving my vote for the rest of today

[Ben Hargreeves]

Also, Ben + Allison is one theory from the slippage. I said at least one of the two is imhmo.

I explained why we're obviously not both mafia and you had nothing to say about it so can you like actually engage or just gonna call people scum 4fun?

[Ben Hargreeves]

I thought it was you, I pushed you. When you came into thread you sounded actually worried. I decided to read a mini game and saw their posting style was nothing like yours so I stopped thinking you were shun

Why go to all this trouble as town who is unconcerned about main accounts?

bruh why do I need to explain this

because it helps find mafia?? for obvious reasons I literally explained

[Ben Hargreeves]

ben you're not v composted rn

cause it's really annoying when someone comes into thread and says some random reason to scum read me and people to "yup makes sense"

[Ben Hargreeves]

I mean I come into thread and I'm being voted by

1. pogo who is probably town who is just straight up reading the game backwards cause his only town read is five and it's based on meta lol
2. Reginald who has done nothing all game but post and me
and then 3. diego who has said I'm very town and is now agreeing with really awkward and bad reasons to scum read me?

so it's a bit obnoxious and I'm trying to figure it out

[Ben Hargreeves]

post about me*

[Ben Hargreeves]

oh yeah there was also five but that was whatever, his town reads were bad though

[Ben Hargreeves]

I think Reginald needs to actually talk about players that aren't me, save for his very brief talk about Allison

Don't really even know about diego rn lmao

and five needs to explain his town reads

[Ben Hargreeves]

and pogo should sheep the town in this game instead of trying to discredit then to give scum mislim opportunities /shrug

[Ben Hargreeves]

not sure why Reginald believes there's necessarily a scum between myself and Allison

he says this while saying we're both scum btw

VOTE: Reginald

I'm probably not moving my vote for the rest of today

Not even if I puppy dog eyes and go if Five is scum then Reginald scum likely goes up and a much easier time tomorrow? *sniff*

honestly

I'm probably going to move my vote lmao

but I think Reginald is more likely a scum than five, I'm not sure though

what do you think of fives town read on Reginald and his justification for his vote

[Ben Hargreeves]

why was it?

[Ben Hargreeves]

not hammer

[Ben Hargreeves]

why, vanya

[Ben Hargreeves]

Yes I did but I quite frankly could not follow it.
You put in so many mains and numbers that I couldn’t follow who you were talking about.
Don’t get me wrong I like numbers but I think it is possibly intentionally obtuse.

Ok fine

Ben thought diego was scum because he mainslipped as a signal to his partner.

For Ben to know that mini is scum, he had to be scum with him and, I beleive that, when Ben realized that diego was not mini he decided to attack him.

He still thinks mini is scum, and he says he thinks mini is you but I do not see him attack you st all

1. no I do not still think mini is scum
2. no I do not think Vanya is mini

you'll notice I stopped caring about this read I mentioned earlier after Allison told me Vanya wasn't mini, I believe them

[Ben Hargreeves]

I'd rather not be killing five right now

[Ben Hargreeves]

btw anyone who things Vanya is town should immediately town read Allison a decent bit more cause of their interactions re: Vanya

[Ben Hargreeves]

I was just commenting

why do you think that though

[Ben Hargreeves]

I can see pogo being scum, why vanya

[Ben Hargreeves]

or, why with vanya

[Ben Hargreeves]

if I was scum then I would have taken one of the many opportunities to hammer that I have been given

disagree