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.pdf.exe.ruIn post 7603, Deacon Blues wrote:
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Oh piss off, that very much isn't the case.In post 7630, skitter30 wrote:since they don't do anything without cabd's approval that means he changed his mind at some point-
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Your lack of paying attention to data in the thread does not their fault or my fault make.In post 7635, skitter30 wrote:
also things like this is what's annoying. you know what his role is. this is apparently a relevant data point. i do not.In post 7625, Deacon Blues wrote:their role is very +scum and it's the biggest source of paranoia for me
like actively playing in the dark is frustrating because i don't know why it's being played this way and you're making silly decisions off of it
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it happens to be a town ability. this is why you don't just kill people for role spec, which i'd think you could empathize with given how everyone tried to kill you over role spec. we only have 2 shots, if that helps.In post 7657, skitter30 wrote:UNVOTE: dandelion
their role being outed is what needed to like make sense of what's happening. now there's a nice 'aha' moment and things start making sense again
i actually think he's just scum
(sorry ceph you're still awesome)
(i'm aware people are gonna shout omgus, etc, it's not. it's the claim/role, which would have been helpful to have a while ago but you know)
pedit good god that's literally a scum ability. you're pocketed
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there's nothing really happening in the neighborhood right now they're just effectively masons it seems likeIn post 7670, skitter30 wrote:like from my pov: deacon votes me (slightly anglign towards there)
two hours later cabd comes back and decides to vote me (with very little prior progression)
given the whole ffery/cabd thing do you really think ti's an unreasonable concusion to think these two things are related?
like if there's other things prompting it they're not being brought up in thread so to me, from what i can see, those look like releated events
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UNVOTE: pookyIn post 7664, Firebringer wrote:
what a weird group of people.In post 7662, petapan wrote:i checked and the votes on him are you/midway/skitter. we're like our own misfit tribe at this point
this post just, made me want to do this for some reason. i feel like nobody but lld thinks this slot is town and for some reason nobody cares
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i died inside from these posts back to back
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this post is fake, you are doing the same thing you're mad at him for doingIn post 6189, Bell wrote:
Maybe try not giving a fuck if you're town.In post 6177, Brian Skies wrote:Cool. The sooner I get eliminated the sooner I can stop giving a fuck about this game.
You're basically losing the game at this point by saying I'm scum anyway.
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pookster i think dunn said in the neighborhood that it was weird how we veered off you and found a town lim yesterday and that resonated with me
feel free to try to dissuade me of this. i feel like this game is just a train wreck and will continue to be a train wreck/whatever direction i end up looking in will inevitably be incorrect. help me see you, if ur there.
also like, ive been feeling like i was the one making my last few games miserable slogs for myself but in this game i have been eminently non toxic and it's still happening. :/
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sure, maybe! but i don't know that! and if that's so, i would think scum would have preferred to be rid of you over someone who was not playing? or would they have been more afraid of a replacement?In post 7721, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:and if you had killed me you would be saying the same thing about pisskop today
it's really amazing how many times this town wants to do the same thing over and over and is surprised by the shitty results
we're not even playing mafia at this point.
so you're arguing you're lhf, basically? i guess i assumed you were like, good at mafia, and i have no basis for that except your legend status.
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i mean yes you're right. we haven't been going after big players. my argument to that point is that hp are scum and i can't do anything about it right now. but you can be on the low end for charisma and still town it up. it's a whole thing. but i dont really see you doing much besides giving up. you said you'd like to nuke my slot a couple days ago and i don't know why/it doesn't seem like you really give a fuck abot that read or much of anything.
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conflicted. i hate hate hate their random titus vote yesterday, i dont get wtf they're doing today, but i don't think they're on hp's teamIn post 7728, Spiffeh wrote:Cephy what are your thoughts on Annie Edison?
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did you ever try? i would find this easier to believe if you had made an effort at some point and got shut down. it sounds to me (again, haven't read it) like the one time you pushed for something in this game you actually got it, so where is the cassandra attitude coming fromIn post 7739, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
I can read a room dudeIn post 7734, Dandelion Wine wrote:i mean yes you're right. we haven't been going after big players. my argument to that point is that hp are scum and i can't do anything about it right now. but you can be on the low end for charisma and still town it up. it's a whole thing. but i dont really see you doing much besides giving up. you said you'd like to nuke my slot a couple days ago and i don't know why/it doesn't seem like you really give a fuck abot that read or much of anything.
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it's basically a bunch of people who all incorrectly read me except LLD and everyone is just angling to position better for ELo tomm so I'm sorry I find it difficult to scrounge up motivation for a game where I have little agency or say in who gets eliminated.
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so it's not "no one is listening to me," it's "no one would listen to me if i tried so why bother"?In post 7744, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
um I'm not cassandra because cassandra actually knew who the bad guys were lolIn post 7742, Dandelion Wine wrote:did you ever try? i would find this easier to believe if you had made an effort at some point and got shut down. it sounds to me (again, haven't read it) like the one time you pushed for something in this game you actually got it, so where is the cassandra attitude coming from
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i dont know if it's fair to complain about our decision making ability if you aren't willing to present an alternative
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wheres the bottomIn post 7749, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
this rollercoaster only goes straight downIn post 7747, Firebringer wrote:THE AMOUNT OF UPS AND DOWNS ON THIS ROLLERCOASTER
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my understanding was, they both wanted to be turnstiled, so we could turnstile them, hooray. i was admittedly not paying the most attention ever. i don't know that i see what is so heinously mechanically incorrect about this but i haven't finished reading your postIn post 7751, skitter30 wrote:the purple room keeps being put to use in ways that just isn't helping town? the obvious egregious example is spiffeh + superbowl. at the start of day2 cabd came in and was like 'we did something mysterious that is going to help town loads! we need to purple room superbowl and spiffeh' and it eventually unfolded that this was because there was a Super Secret Turnstile in the purple room and they would get to turnstile. i don't remember offhand the reasoning they gave for superbowl (strong pr?) and the reasonign for spiffeh iirc was 'imperium wasn't townrading them that strongly and we wanted to make sure we helped clear the forward thread if possible'. so that would imply that they had some suspicion of spiffeh and the fact that turnstiling him would activate his pr is a nice plus.
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but if they're in control of the thread, why are they using that control to not take a free yeet on youIn post 7755, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
it's like you guys know these things:In post 7748, Dandelion Wine wrote:so it's not "no one is listening to me," it's "no one would listen to me if i tried so why bother"?
i dont know if it's fair to complain about our decision making ability if you aren't willing to present an alternative
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(1) The scum are pretty comfortable and in control of the thread so they are making nightkills that keep the game state static.
(2) We haven't killed any of them.
(3) Let's kill Pooky cuz clearly we haven't killed enough LHFs and if we just kill one more we can get to get off this ride wheeee!
like wtf is even going on.
& you can say this but then you can't identify the scum controlling the thread so ???
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i don't recall cabd being a particularly major proponent of that plan, and i'm sure i must have called it a fool's errand at least onceIn post 7751, skitter30 wrote:like cabd is supposed to be good at mechanics and stuff, right? why, after all of these machinations, has none of these appreciably helped town in any way? we spent two days on a dumb 'clearing the forward timeline of scum plan' that he had to have known wouldn't work, it was painfully obvious. like he's too good at this to keep putting all this energy into things that just aren't doing anything helpful for town.
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i mean i don't have the information to tell you if that helped town or not but as a game i thought we had decided early on that needing to switch threads to use your role was possibly a towntell depending on how the initial setup worked (did scum get to choose who goes where? i feel like the mod answered this but i don't remember for sure)
i feel like in general activating PRs is a good idea, and it introduces some accountability for role usage if scum trueclaim
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i can't really answer this as i've barely been involved in any mechanical decisions, it is not my forteIn post 6293, Brian Skies wrote:
Let's be real here. Did you guys just not consider me wanting to tunnel SB9 when you chose to send him over?In post 7757, Dandelion Wine wrote:my understanding was, they both wanted to be turnstiled, so we could turnstile them, hooray. i was admittedly not paying the most attention ever. i don't know that i see what is so heinously mechanically incorrect about this but i haven't finished reading your post
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there's a good chance of that at this point because there are so fucking many of them and i have trouble imagining what scum could have to balance it unless some of them are liars or trueclaiming scumIn post 7779, petapan wrote:
i had the same conclusion as well but at this point you have to think not everyone with a pr who works in the other thread can be town right?In post 7772, Dandelion Wine wrote:i mean i don't have the information to tell you if that helped town or not but as a game i thought we had decided early on that needing to switch threads to use your role was possibly a towntell depending on how the initial setup worked (did scum get to choose who goes where? i feel like the mod answered this but i don't remember for sure)
i feel like in general activating PRs is a good idea, and it introduces some accountability for role usage if scum trueclaim
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i mean i was but i arrived at the conclusion that he just has zero interest in giving me anything to work with and would rather just bitch about how dumb i am or whateverIn post 7780, Firebringer wrote:I am stunned i am the only one concerned with grilling pooky.
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oh yeah i remember that nowIn post 7797, skitter30 wrote:In post 4835, Dandelion Wine wrote:In post 4834, SirCakez wrote:superbowl9 will be sent to the Purple Room from the Inverted timestream.
PRESS THE BUTTON AND BEAM THIS SHIT OVER
here we go. i couldn't find it dandelion's iso cuz deacon said it. but dandelion was obviously involved in this decisionIn post 4850, Deacon Blues wrote:In post 3702, Annie Edison wrote:I don’t get what hench is getting at
I don’t get why this is the plan either.
I feel like the rules specifically say BY THE END OF N2 which makes me think this turnstile appliesThe best the six of us came to on Spiffeh was tier 3, maaaybe tier 2, so yeah, it's a potential final shot at clearing your thread.We're sending you our strongest townread. Much as I'd like to be in a less chaotic thread, there is no role reason for deacon to change threads, even assuming the whole forwards thread is townreading us...which may not be the case. I haven't been paying attention to how people read us over there.
i guess while i may have thought clearing one thread of scum was unlikely to work, i guess we might as well try? and the info that we didn't succeed is worth a little something?
it seems like your narrative doesn't add up to cabdscum. like, is he the pied piper leading the town astray when all this has done is neither succeed nor cause damage? what would you have liked to use all the turnstiles before that was so much better, besides turnstiling yourself?
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didn't you think both us and skitter were scum at different points in the last like 24 hoursIn post 7807, Firebringer wrote:i wish i had a purple room with pooky to grill him in silence.
this skitter/deacon/dandellion stuff is a distraction methinks
but i mean yes the thread does seem to keep finding its way to not talking about pooky somehow
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This literally makes no sense given publicly stated info we have that scum placed themselves pregame. And the fact that you're using this as a reason to scum read people is like uhhhhhhhhh?In post 7803, skitter30 wrote:i'm p sure that at least one of {superbowl/spiffeh} are scum and got a nice pr activated-
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while i agree that cabd is a good player, he also enjoys scheming up mechanics stuff even when it doesn't matterIn post 7809, skitter30 wrote:
ok, and again, we established that cabd is, like, good at this right? where are all the +town things he's been doing? like he's doing a lot of things, clearly. how are they helping town?In post 7772, Dandelion Wine wrote:i mean i don't have the information to tell you if that helped townor not but as a game i thought we had decided early on that needing to switch threads to use your role was possibly a towntell depending on how the initial setup worked (did scum get to choose who goes where? i feel like the mod answered this but i don't remember for sure)
i feel like in general activating PRs is a good idea, and it introduces some accountability for role usage if scum trueclaim
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i think the assertion that none of this has produced any value for town is taking bop to a level that is silly. we haven't even elimd many of the players who have been turnstiled. do you know their alignments, do you know that none of it helped? is he supposed to control, say, annie doing everything they could to get turnstiled as though they had a good role that needed to be even though they apparently don't?
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so in light of the fact that this was unlikely to work, your suggestion was don't try and you're scum if you do try? come onIn post 7814, skitter30 wrote:
it was never going to work tho, and i think he should have realized that.In post 7804, Dandelion Wine wrote:i guess while i may have thought clearing one thread of scum was unlikely to work, i guess we might as well try? and the info that we didn't succeed is worth a little something?
it seems like your narrative doesn't add up to cabdscum. like,is he the pied piper leading the town astray when all this has done is neither succeed nor cause damage? what would you have liked to use all the turnstiles before that was so much better, besides turnstiling yourself?
and for the bolded, yes, except that i think it has caused damage because we've spent a stupid amount of time on wild goose chases
i don't know if we needed to go out of our way to turnstile sb9 and spiffeh that way
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i mean, anything about who to send over when i haven't really cared aboutIn post 6294, Brian Skies wrote:
What? What does me scumreading the Owl have to do with mechanics?In post 7777, Dandelion Wine wrote:i can't really answer this as i've barely been involved in any mechanical decisions, it is not my forte
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I agree that such an agreement is basically meaningless and probably won't be adhered to, but people do it all the damn time. It annoys me, but this is hardly a new idea or a scummy one.In post 7965, skitter30 wrote:
this is functionally meaningless wrt you having any stake in this bet, because you're going to ultimately back out of this as either alignment. which makes this stupidly performative and manipulative because it looks decent and real at first glance, but if anybody thinks abt this for more than two seconds it should be apparent that she won't (and can't) actually follow up on this, even if she's townIn post 7922, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:and the first time one of them flips town, I'll vote myself and we can kill me.
also aside, i just wanna call out that i think the narrative that you and cabd have pushed that gamma died protecting you is unlikely bordering on ridiculous in the gamestate at eod yesterday (long sidebar showing that i'm p damn accurate making these sorts of assessments that i'm sure nobody cares abt reading, blah blah blah)
pedit peta it literally loses the game if she's town and wrong. hence stupidly performative and manipulative ...
LLD has said she thinks gamma might have died protecting her but also actively stated she doesn't really expect anyone to agree or care about this, and i think deacon was the one who suggested he might have saved deacon or us?
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Oh okay then we'll stop having hoods and purple room nobody just because you don't like them.In post 7967, skitter30 wrote:
no offense, but this is also really silly and pointless:In post 6328, Dunnstral wrote:LLd wants me there
LLd will presumably claim their role to me there
I can relay communication between the hood and purple room if needed, or not
I don't think this is unreasonable, I don't see how these other hoods would help us, no offense
- no reason to add complexity to this game vis-a-vis more hoods
- like 2/3 of the game have claimed at this point, and we hsould just round it out. sending LLD to the purple room just to claim there accomplishes what exactly? no reason not to just finish massclaim at this point
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yeah this is a little tiring. "nuh uh, self meta" doesn't work for other people why should it work for youIn post 8028, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:i suggest a theory about your play and you pop in right away to go "lul that's not me lul"
no evidence nothing just "that's funny not how i am ahahaha"
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i never got this impression in the one game i played with youIn post 8041, petapan wrote:
i'm just really a very uncertain person when it comes to late gameIn post 8038, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
I mean you are in the same breathIn post 8036, petapan wrote:am i really building a paranoia connection by entertaining the possibility of them being scum. i'm probably going to end up positioning myself against your bloc
calling them scum
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saying something is wrong with the game state and trying to work it out with them
if you thought they were scum you would not be solving the gamestate with them
you'd be solving it with me, the person who called them scum for 2 straight days and wanted to tunnel them and only stopped today.
Or do you have a magical christmas land where Deacon and I are scum together please pitch that for me
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The goalposts, they just keep movingIn post 8158, skitter30 wrote:Lld you had like 5.5 votes on me (your whip count was slightly off, and i'm not *quite* sure you had the votes but it was p damn close), and you chose to send me to the other thread where you'll have sizeable less influence wrt this and where there's a p good chance i'll be able to talk my way out of it (no matter my alignment)
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Even though I think pooky should die I'm not really satisfied with this answer on why you suddenly hate his gutsIn post 8244, midwaybear wrote:I want Pooky to die because he never seems to be in the conversation anymore (both literally and the conversation to be hanged) and I'm finding that suspicious. I also don't think any of his content reads townie to me. He just ATE last night without really giving any reads. Sure, he said he didn't have any, but I would expect town Pooky to at least be doing something to try to get better reads instead of just lurking.
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I spent like 5 posts yesterday trying to get anything from you and you threw it in my faceIn post 8277, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:this is the least pleasant game I've been in and I'm not sure I've had a single player here other than skitter and LLD approach me in good faith to actually sort me or work anything out so I'm not sure why it's surprising to you that I have little motivation to work on anything.
Of course I'm done trying that
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umIn post 8371, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 8367, Dandelion Wine wrote:
I spent like 5 posts yesterday trying to get anything from you and you threw it in my faceIn post 8277, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:this is the least pleasant game I've been in and I'm not sure I've had a single player here other than skitter and LLD approach me in good faith to actually sort me or work anything out so I'm not sure why it's surprising to you that I have little motivation to work on anything.
Of course I'm done trying that
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Lolololololololol like when u asked me how I wanted to be cooked or some shit
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In post 6453, skitter30 wrote:right forgot abt a50 when i wrote that
eh i'm not sure i agree with the notion that 2 were turnstiled over
what do you think fo this post btw?In post 7810, Dandelion Wine wrote:
This literally makes no sense given publicly stated info we have that scum placed themselves pregame. And the fact that you're using this as a reason to scum read people is like uhhhhhhhhh?In post 7803, skitter30 wrote:i'm p sure that at least one of {superbowl/spiffeh} are scum and got a nice pr activatedIn post 6457, Hench Princesses wrote:ceph's post makes no sense
i didn't make that post.In post 6460, skitter30 wrote:ok so it struck me as a potential slip at the time, but i kinda forgot abt it until a few minutes ago, and let me explain why:
we know that scum got to choose which thread we got to start in. the underlying assumption in ceph's post, if i'm understanding it right, is that scum are able to choose which thread they can start in, andwould thus start in the thread that would enable their role to work(i.e. if i'm scum and a forward watcher i want to start in forwards) and would distribute themselves accordingly. he's using this argument to counteract my argument that scum!spiffeh or scum!sb9 wouldn't bother trying to turnstile because they'd already be in the apropriate thread.
however it's not clear when scum got their roles in relation to choosing the distribution, and i just asked sircakez that and was informed he would not answer that question
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Peta: I find myself in a place where I very much townread LLD but my other townreads disagree with her case. So, this is me trying to re-ISO you and give you a fair shake, yeah? Especially after how the past 48 hours played out.
Petapan - Early Day One
Spoiler: Day 1 (Super Early RVS/Reads)
Spoiler: Day 1 (Noraa Wagon)
Made it to post 1537... not sure that is actually going to be useful for anyone that isn't me, though... Should I even bother continuing this style?-
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Dandelion Wine Goon
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I swear we seem fated to come to opposite conclusions, my man.In post 8424, Deacon Blues wrote:on reread i don't actually love the progression on noraa
especially culminating in 664; seems like he's piling on at a point where he should be looking for places he might be wrong; the point made in 363 is like, okay for a push but 664 implies a lockscum angle on it and eh
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Okay, so let's move on, i'm just gonna cover the big major points, then?
Peta's reads list coming out of the period I covered there was a townblock of (Technically just an endorsement of notsci's)...
Literally all of these people are still alive, so no new data here, blah.In post 1537, petapan wrote:
already unvoting most of those people so looks p dece to meIn post 1531, Annie Edison wrote:Off the table for today-
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^In post 8423, Dandelion Wine wrote:Peta: I find myself in a place where I very much townread LLD but my other townreads disagree with her case. So, this is me trying to re-ISO you and give you a fair shake, yeah? Especially after how the past 48 hours played out.-
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