TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m even more convinced i’m voting right.

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 1.06

zoraster(2)

~ NorwegianboyEE(34), Nancy Drew 39(53)

Ramcius(2)

~ thestatusquo(58), Akarin(1)

Nancy Drew 39(2)

~ Ramcius(21), TheGoldenParadox(6)

Pine(1)

~ BBMolla(15)

Mistyx(1)

~ Flavor Leaf(66)

Flavor Leaf(1)

~ zoraster(8)

Dr Easy Bake(1)

~ Mistyx(21)

BBMolla(1)

~ Dr Easy Bake(1)


Not Voting (2): Iconeum(2), Pine(5)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-29 19:00:00)

Mod Notes

Iconeum weekend v/la
TheGoldenParadox weekend v/la

[Flavor Leaf]

He thinks FL open claiming scum in post 54 is exactly the kind of ballsy wink nod play that FL gets away with as scum all the time.

Hey, it also gets me in trouble when I'm town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Pine

I will probably switch to this. Based on MfD, he had an almost identical entrance. I still don’t tr Zor but I think I think Pine is probably scum based off of entrance.

Can you link me or at the least give me a full name of the game so I can take a look.

I’ll try to find it. Marked for Death. He was my scumbuddy in that game and last year he was also on my team and he was giving tons of reads.

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81087&user_select%5B%5D=29435

So I'm conflicted about this, yeah the entrance is kind of similar. Not sure its really all THAT similar, but there are similarities.

Additionally I went back through like 20 games of pine and was unable to find any town games where they did this. At the same time, there were plenty of scum games where he didn't do this and this is literally the only example where he did. So like, it seems like a pretty weak point to me, basically.

Oh okay, that’s why I was waiting for more from him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Votecount 1.06

zoraster(2)

~ NorwegianboyEE(34), Nancy Drew 39(53)

Ramcius(2)

~ thestatusquo(58), Akarin(1)

Nancy Drew 39(2)

~ Ramcius(21), TheGoldenParadox(6)

Pine(1)

~ BBMolla(15)

Mistyx(1)

~ Flavor Leaf(66)

Flavor Leaf(1)

~ zoraster(8)

Dr Easy Bake(1)

~ Mistyx(21)

BBMolla(1)

~ Dr Easy Bake(1)


Not Voting (2): Iconeum(2), Pine(5)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-29 19:00:00)

Mod Notes

Iconeum weekend v/la
TheGoldenParadox weekend v/la

@TGP, when are you ever going to read me correctly? I think after you wrongly sr me in Dung Beetle, you would have a clue how to read me better. And ftr, it is TM so I’m obviously going to incorporate my team’s advice so that’s an extremely silly reason for voting me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Some thoughts from Reck:

1) He thinks bbmolla's entrance with calling FL scum that can be left for later is super weird and pithy but he's getting idgaf vibes from him and he thinks that's town lean. He thinks there's negative points for voting pine for lurking/not posting yet.

2) He thinks FL open claiming scum in post 54 is exactly the kind of ballsy wink nod play that FL gets away with as scum all the time.

3) Or Zor he says: zor is scum. a) for doing a bad rap. for b) because his team making the claim FL's vote was scummy and then doubling down and saying the burden of proof is on me ("don't YOU think its scummy?") is really bad. He thinks it's zor pass off his teams thoughts as way more interesting than they actually are and then tossing the ball back to me and running away when he can't defend it.

3) He thinks Akarins entrance into the game is very bad and lazy. Textbook avoiding direct commentary on the game, avoiding talking about ram, fluffy content about IRL to avoid addressing the game. He thinks its a perfect example of empty content meant to look important.

4) Pines entrance is stupid. NAI, just stupid.

I actually don't really agree with a lot of this. I think BBMolla is not doing much and I don't really think I can get to a town read from there, I also don't think its entirely clear that BBMolla is voting pine for not posting. Obviously I don't fully agree on Zor but I will say the way he's putting it isnt an angle I had considered.

In CoD, scum!FL agressively tried to control the game, he did that in PA too. He also agressively tried to manipulate other people’s votes. I don’t see him doing that here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m even more convinced i’m voting right.

You were right on Bunno and Herta in Dung redux. I’m rarely good at finding scum on D1. The Shape of Water and CoD we’re probably exceptions because both Bulge and D & D were flaming obvscum in those.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Ramicius, what are your reads so far?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I've been told I can't quote my teammates but I CAN paraphrase them so, here's Cephrir laying down a dope beat:

Yo Zoraster, you got to do something, man
Can't just lurk around like you got no plan
See Flavor Leaf made a scummy vote
You gotta push his wagon until you're sore in the throat.

No offense, but this sounds like advice given to struggling scum.

First and by way of delaying my answer until I finish with this video game, do you NOT think it's scummy?

Such a bad response.

Yeah Zor’s posting in 298 seems very self-conscious and 246 looks like an excuse to not have to further explain things.

[Flavor Leaf]

Some thoughts from Reck:

1) He thinks bbmolla's entrance with calling FL scum that can be left for later is super weird and pithy but he's getting idgaf vibes from him and he thinks that's town lean. He thinks there's negative points for voting pine for lurking/not posting yet.

2) He thinks FL open claiming scum in post 54 is exactly the kind of ballsy wink nod play that FL gets away with as scum all the time.

3) Or Zor he says: zor is scum. a) for doing a bad rap. for b) because his team making the claim FL's vote was scummy and then doubling down and saying the burden of proof is on me ("don't YOU think its scummy?") is really bad. He thinks it's zor pass off his teams thoughts as way more interesting than they actually are and then tossing the ball back to me and running away when he can't defend it.

3) He thinks Akarins entrance into the game is very bad and lazy. Textbook avoiding direct commentary on the game, avoiding talking about ram, fluffy content about IRL to avoid addressing the game. He thinks its a perfect example of empty content meant to look important.

4) Pines entrance is stupid. NAI, just stupid.

I actually don't really agree with a lot of this. I think BBMolla is not doing much and I don't really think I can get to a town read from there, I also don't think its entirely clear that BBMolla is voting pine for not posting. Obviously I don't fully agree on Zor but I will say the way he's putting it isnt an angle I had considered.

In CoD, scum!FL agressively tried to control the game, he did that in PA too. He also agressively tried to manipulate other people’s votes. I don’t see him doing that here.

I have other scum styles. I got an ebb and flow ya know

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like I have a good take on things right now, but I don't have any scum reads yet. I have a lot of "this could be scum, this could be", like with Mistyx and Nancy they both did things I thought was scummy, but then flipped and did things I thought was townie.

[Thestatusquo]

I feel like I have a good take on things right now, but I don't have any scum reads yet. I have a lot of "this could be scum, this could be", like with Mistyx and Nancy they both did things I thought was scummy, but then flipped and did things I thought was townie.

What do you think of my interaction with misty? What do you think of Nancy's thoughts on pine/their interaction with you? Like I'm feeling like both of those players should be in town piles pretty easily so I'm going to need more from you here.

[Thestatusquo]

Oh I somehow missed the second part of the statement. I guess in addition to my question I'd just like you to tell me what the things they did are that you thought were scummy?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I feel like I have a good take on things right now, but I don't have any scum reads yet. I have a lot of "this could be scum, this could be", like with Mistyx and Nancy they both did things I thought was scummy, but then flipped and did things I thought was townie.

I think there’s only a few players who are really good at reading me, which is Mastina, Isis jjh and I think Ydrasse. I am not usually obvtown on D1 but absolutely by later in the game. Among this playerlist, Norwee has read me correctly twice in 2/3 games where he was town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like I have a good take on things right now, but I don't have any scum reads yet. I have a lot of "this could be scum, this could be", like with Mistyx and Nancy they both did things I thought was scummy, but then flipped and did things I thought was townie.

What do you think of my interaction with misty? What do you think of Nancy's thoughts on pine/their interaction with you? Like I'm feeling like both of those players should be in town piles pretty easily so I'm going to need more from you here.

I'm really not thinking about it that much.

And I don't think it's not anything specifically they wouldn't do as town, but if I was ranking it, I'd probably have them both in the top 3. I'm just still voting Mistyx, because I'm waiting until I find somewhere else to go, and my vote on Mistyx doesn't hurt anything, but give a target for scum to push me if they try to act "then why is your vote on Mistyx"

Those are players I know really well, so I'm not going to immediately town pile them. That's just not how I play Mafia. I know they would actively play in a way to get me to try town lean them if they were scum, which isn't something I don't think either of them would do.

I by no means want either of them faded right now.

And it just looks like busy work, that I feel is already in my ISO.


I didn't like the way Mistyx made that comment towards my post, but I liked their defense.

I didn't like nancy's aggressiveness after I gave Auro's comment, but she flipped it seemed again, and if she's scum, she knows how to get me to town read her.

So yes, I am specifically lean towning them, I guess, but that doesn't mean they are town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, I town block people, and expect scum to be in my town block.

[BBmolla]

molla is weird because like

he's making understandable pushes

but they're all generally safe ones

also he has voted pine three times in a row without moving his vote off

What is weird

[Ramcius]

@Ramicius, what are your reads so far?

None, I haven't seen anything yet that really stood out and I'm trying to figure out TSQ for most part.

[Flavor Leaf]

Frankly, I forgot DEB was in this game.

VOTE: DEB

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think so far town is in Misty, Norwee, you and Shea. TGP is probably bad (as in can’t read me correctly)
town. Not impressed so far with Pine and Ram but think my vote is in the right place, especially since Norwee is agreeing with it, I’m mostly null on everyone else.

@FL I’ve been flipping out over scum activity reads since I was on MU (where I had between 25-30 games where I only rolled town) because nothing irritates me more when I get sr based on something that I know to be 100% NAI for me and I was very annoyed that Auro didn’t know that but today I found out that he apparently has a terrible memory, so I’m less salty knowing that.

[Flavor Leaf]

TGP, DEB, Status is an interesting way too early solve.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do y'all have anymore of those votes on Zoraster.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Frankly, I forgot DEB was in this game.

VOTE: DEB

Just when you think I've disappeared, I strike again!!

[Dr Easy Bake]

Beep Bop Adoodledoo
I Choose You
VOTE: Nancy Drew

[Flavor Leaf]

Alright.

VOTE: Zoraster

Noting DEB happened to come in right after I voted them, though.