Mini Normal 2187: PIFiMDM [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 3.03

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-01-22 12:30:00).

execution

2ndchosen1 [1]:

unwnd

unwnd [1]:

Elements

Elements [1]:

Lunar Martian

northsidegal [1]:

2ndchosen1

Not voting [3]:

northsidegal,

Dannflor

, Kazyan

mod notes

~ yeet

flavour

[Dannflor]

Sorry I haven't given this game my attention recently, I'll do so today

[Datisi]

Prodding 2ndchosen1.

[2ndchosen1]

waiting on unwnd post on my questions, would like to hear them. otherwise will be on more tomorrow

[Kazyan]

Looking through the remaining three ISOs--Lunar, unwnd, and northsidegal--I don't have a clue. If you forced me to pick one of them to vote, I'd go with Lunar. Dannflor and 2ndchosen1, do you have any specific thoughts on these three?

[unwnd]

I am really backed up (pretty sure I already said this) and it's a bit of my fault. I think that right now for the sake of the game I am willing to risk a vote onto elements, and you can consider this a declared intent

[unwnd]

I get I'm ignoring you 2ndchosen but

I'll worry about that later, in my mind I've already settled on Elements for various reasons

[Kazyan]

Also, this is circumstantial, but treatment of the NPOM/unwnd slot has been weird and dicey across the board. Regardless of who is scum, I could picture them with unwnd as a partner I guess

[unwnd]

I'm not exactly thrilled by it either Kaz don't worry

[Elements]

I'll worry about that later, in my mind I've already settled on Elements for various reasons

What are these various reasons?

[Lunar Martian]

Don't like how easily Kazyan gave Elements a Town pass.

[Kazyan]

I don't like it either, per se, since we're running out of leeway on miselims. But I'm trying to sort people here. I'm willing to listen to unwnd's case on Elements, regardless.

[northsidegal]

yeah sorry i realize we're all basically collectively spinning our wheels here and i am contributing to that

you know when i think about it "spinning our wheels" really sounds like it should be a productive thing and not a way to say that you're being unproductive

anyways, i will probably also be busy tomorrow but after that i'll do what i planned to do and read back through day one. i think i'm still pretty set on elements being scum but obviously reviewing always helps

[Dannflor]

The problem is I think Lunar and Kazyan are town a lot of the time here.

Which means unless it is exactly elements/2ndchosen (and I feel like I had good reasons to town read 2ndchosen but maybe I'm totally wrong there) then there's scum in the nsg/unwnd group and ehhhhh... I would lean towards that being unwnd but that's really for no other reason other than I can't get a firm town read on unwnd.

But that might be my fault. I think I'm also pretty set on elements scum just because I think their behavior has gotten to the point where it's inexcusably weird for town. Not off the wall in the sense that town could plausibly think this way and do this, but crazy in the sense that it really seems evident that elements is not approaching this game from a town mindset.

[Elements]

How is my mineset not town?
I think unwnd is scum. I have given you reasons for that. I'm looking like the mis-yeet for today so I have explained why your reasoning on me being scum is wrong and the noticeable fact hayker was pushing me the entire time they were alive.
Can everyone give me a reason for me being scum that isn't "they're not approaching the game from a town mindset". Just because my brain works differently to yours doesn't mean I'm not town.

[Dannflor]

You're looking for a team. Not a singular scum. Who is unwnd's partner?

It's not what your reads are, it's how you push them and the timing you do it. I could care less *that* you scum read unwnd, it's that you've done nothing but push that for 20 pages that has me thinking you're not really thinking about the game beyond that.

[unwnd]

I'm gonna be completely honest with you guys

If I have a misunderstanding with either of you (2ndchosen, Elements) then I'd rather just work it out in real time instead of combing through your ISO and making a decision. Elements, I've tried multiple times to get you to work with me in the present instead holding me accountable for whatever you thought NPOM did/didn't do. So far your take on me has been least sensible than 2ndchosen, but part of me hesitates because I think you're getting to the point of insensibility, so much that I wonder if you just really really believe in what you're saying and not just trying to force a narrative onto the thread. If you were scum here then I dunno if your best option is to just keep pushing me despite the derision that Dannflor (and to some extent, Kazyan) have exclaimed.

2ndchosen, my complaints are a little similar but ultimately I just want to see you here and I don't know why you necessarily townread me. Wouldn't I be more suspect for voting you in the first place if you were just town? The whole 'yeah just waiting for you to respond my questions' deal made me feel like you were waiting for me to give you something to respond to instead of being naturally curious about me.

[unwnd]

As for me, I have no issue resorting to self-defense. I think I've been very townie and it agitates me a bit for this seated paranoia to take place. I'm not a miracle worker and I can't just will the scum away, and I certainly can't read a game that stagnates. I believe that old information is good as a reference point but what I ultimately decide is what happens here today.

[Kazyan]

So, to clarify, the case on Elements is that he doesn't seem to have an idea about the scumteam, just a particular person?

In that case, I've gone through everyone's D3 reads, and this is what they look like to me as of post 1242:



(I'll make a colorblind version upon request.)

Of course, this chart immediately gets outdated because I have to update my own reads based on what I see in it. And what I see is VOTE: northsidegal, followed possibly by Lunar, unless Elements actually does flip as scum and I look like a fool.

[unwnd]

I love that a lot

Goddamn I'm fucking pocketed Kaz

[unwnd]

That's such a good way to organize your reads, I love when people bring a unique way to interpret their thoughts (even if visual) to the game

[Dannflor]

Kazyan, is that based off multiple people scum reading NSG? I like the graphic but I'm confused on the logical steps taking place afterwards.

[Kazyan]

It's based on how NGS is the only person besides Elements who doesn't appear to have an opinion on who the other Mafia member might be--NSG does not have any scumreads besides Elements. I'm giving Lunar some side-eye, but ultimately a bit of a pass because he's been pecking at everyone for the entire game and I'm just gonna chalk that up to playstyle for now.

[Dannflor]

To be fair... I don't really have any scum reads besides elements.

[Kazyan]

Well yeah, but what do you want me to do, vote Dannflor?