Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

[SirCakez]

ye pretty much Jingle
Also - I'm not gonna bash through Murder's case because I don't think it's inaccurate. just a misreading of what I'm doing here.

[SirCakez]

this post noraa

this post is horrible tho..

why

[Noraa]

this post noraa

this post is horrible tho..

why

uh cuz ew. wtf is this skinny little olive branch. a full on "yeah if ur town and being stupid as fuck, that sucks but you should stop????"
wtf????

its not like you don't know only my townplay is shitty.

[Something_Smart]

Basically you don't have content, you haven't given reads, and PB and Maria said they thought you were susp.

Well, I assume that if Cakez is sheeping Maria and PB then that's not something he would expect me to refute.

As for the other two, they are both observations on my play that are (a) no longer true and (b) have not been connected by Cakez in any way to my alignment, so the burden of proof is on him to show both why I'm more likely to behave that way as scum and why those reasons should still hold even though I have more content now.

[SirCakez]

this post noraa

this post is horrible tho..

why

uh cuz ew. wtf is this skinny little olive branch. a full on "yeah if ur town and being stupid as fuck, that sucks but you should stop????"
wtf????

its not like you don't know only my townplay is shitty.

i can't parse this

[SirCakez]

Basically you don't have content, you haven't given reads, and PB and Maria said they thought you were susp.

Well, I assume that if Cakez is sheeping Maria and PB then that's not something he would expect me to refute.

As for the other two, they are both observations on my play that are (a) no longer true and (b) have not been connected by Cakez in any way to my alignment, so the burden of proof is on him to show both why I'm more likely to behave that way as scum and why those reasons should still hold even though I have more content now.

i'm still reading up but judging from the last two pages not much has changed

[Jingle]

How would it blow up in my face any less than if I just shut up and voted you?

cuz you're not on the wagon and when people were like "ok who was pushing cakez" you won't be the first to come up (well you might be now that I'm bringing this up) it will be people like Murder and Pooky

Yeah, see the problem here is that you claim there would be literally any blowback for being on your wagon after you posted a tacit approval of Murder's case.

[Noraa]

I'm pretty onboard with a cake wagon.

[Noraa]

He's approached me in such bad faith this whole time. It's like ew.

[SirCakez]

He's approached me in such bad faith this whole time. It's like ew.

what the fuck does this mean

[Something_Smart]

i'm still reading up but judging from the last two pages not much has changed

What exactly was your initial claim? Because I believe you phrased it as a rhetorical question ("where is the content?"). That implies that you think I have essentially zero content, which is certainly no longer true, though maybe that's not what you meant to imply.

[SirCakez]

How would it blow up in my face any less than if I just shut up and voted you?

cuz you're not on the wagon and when people were like "ok who was pushing cakez" you won't be the first to come up (well you might be now that I'm bringing this up) it will be people like Murder and Pooky

Yeah, see the problem here is that you claim there would be literally any blowback for being on your wagon after you posted a tacit approval of Murder's case.

a miselim is a miselim

i'm still reading up but judging from the last two pages not much has changed

What exactly was your initial claim? Because I believe you phrased it as a rhetorical question ("where is the content?"). That implies that you think I have essentially zero content, which is certainly no longer true, though maybe that's not what you meant to imply.

that's obviously not what I meant

[SirCakez]

i think you're coasting by and not producing much notable content or scumhunting
but zero content obviously not nobody has zero content

[Noraa]

He's approached me in such bad faith this whole time. It's like ew.

what the fuck does this mean

It means your role pm is red.

[Cheetory6]

don't really think the realtime response stuff is doing you favours rn cake.
might be better off to compile a comprehensive response with your thoughts?

[Something_Smart]

i think you're coasting by and not producing much notable content or scumhunting

What do you consider to be notable content?

[SirCakez]

don't really think the realtime response stuff is doing you favours rn cake.
might be better off to compile a comprehensive response with your thoughts?

it's hard because I'm multitasking this game with some other things
I'm writing up a response to Noraa and then I will finish reading

[Cheetory6]

I mean we're waiting on a few different things right now.
You probably have time to put together something a little less.. uh..
scattered? shotgunned? Just seems like you're not going to be able to properly respond to 3-4 people asking you a barrage of questions in real time while also laying out why you're town and someone is mafia.

[Noraa]

I'm writing up a response to Noraa and then I will finish reading

try not calling me horrible town first

[Something_Smart]

Where did he call you horrible?

[SirCakez]

Noraa I'll be frank with you here and I don't give a fuck how you read me from it.

Your playstyle is extremely unfun to play with, and moreso it actively makes scumhunting and solving harder.
I think regardless of alignment the way you play helps scum. It spams up the thread, puts off the people who are trying to read you in good faith because you scream at anyone who dares scumread you, and it also just generally makes people feel bad for playing mafia.
When I asked my team for help reading you most of them did not really know how to help me, because your playstyle is so erratic, overtly emotional and seemingly based on pushing those who scumread you and buddying up to whoever doesn't. Cheet basically called this out earlier but more politely then I am.
It is not fun and difficult to play with someone who will spend large portions of the game spreading fluffy cat gifs or whatever and then goes off on anyone who dares criticize them.
I think it's also making life harder for you as a player. There's a reason you die early on so much and it's not because everyone else sucks. There's a saying or something that goes like "if you encounter one asshole, they're the asshole. If everyone you encounter is an asshole, that just means you're the asshole." In this scenario, it's not everyone else's fault for all of the fights you get in.


I do want to PS this by saying none of this is targeting you as a person. I think you are a very pleasant person and I'm glad you are on MS. But I feel like I had to get this off my chest.

[SirCakez]

While I'm still reading up I also just want to pitch in that after the events of Xenoblade 2 I decided I was not going to get emotionally invested into mafia anymore because it was way too difficult for me pouring all my guts out into that game only to be elimmed 48 hours into the game anyways. I just can't get into that angry sad mad state of mind anymore, it's not good for me.
So I'm sure y'all have noticed that I'm not really flipping out at this wagon on me like I used to as town and that's why.
If I get elimmed I'll be bummed af especially because I let my team down but I'm not going to start screaming and crying. I'm just not.

[Noraa]

I wasn't always like this.
But when you die far too many games day 1 because of meta reasons, it does take a toll on ur play style.

I started off my time on this site with three scum games and from there everyone just kept thinking I was scum ... I suppose out of fear? But that lead to way too many mislims in a row and I'm very sick and tired of it.

Whenever I'm nice and mellow, people take advantage of it and I just die a flashwagon. What do you want me to do?

[Pink Ball]

People voting Cakez relying on meta don't know how to meta case. Also relying on meta sucks for starters. But if and only if I had to rely on meta, Cakez would be more town than he already is

[SirCakez]

Cheet I have to say you are much more pleasant to play with this game than previously and I'm happy about that.
Even disregarding the fact that you are not deathtunneling me I think you are much more relaxed and less snarky and it's a lot more fun to play with.