Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

[Gypyx]

okay so, the great maria wall aka : i spent more than 1 minute thinking about this post :

first of all, the early back and forth out of cakes

Hello hello did you miss me? I know you did. Anyway let us vote a wolf shall we? Here I'll start.
VOTE: Cakez

which like, this post comes after 14 pages of maria waiting it out, and yet she strats with a pretty much random vote, which like, i'm really not a fan of, especially how it's only retracted upon pressure

then there's the view on self meta, which i find incosistent with maria's acts, so that also leans scum

Spoiler:

It was mostly a joke at Cakez because I made the exact same kinda post at him before when he a wolf. I assume he guessed that given his lackluster reaction

pout

If you want my serious vote at the moment it's this:
VOTE: zaiden
I'm not normally the one to start spearheading wagons so I'll simply ask people to look closer at this slot and if you can see the few glaring flaws that me and 1 of my team members saw. (At least when I was ranting they agreed)

"i don't really push peoples too much"

Spoiler:

It's very amusing to hear that kind of argument since you couldn't get further from my personality if you tried. Anyway it's not like I'm going to be the day 1 fade. I can care less if you TR me or have me at null branch off me to more important matters unless you really find this so pressing.

how exactly is your personality so incompatible with these kinds of plays?

and yeah, doubt you'll be the D1 fade, but like, not a reason to disregard points made against you

I can not recall a single time in my mafia carrier that I as scum have stopped pushing someone because I was worried about the reaction/heat I would get from it. Take that as you will

and here, maria says she isn't afraid of pushing peoples, while showing reluctance to push earlier

actually

i retract that read

keeping the previous construiction as i still feel like it made some valid points, but i recalled maria as arguing about her general play, not her scum play

in that case, i'd even stretch that as +town

so uh yeah me dumb

pedit : anything that i missed about the green laughing person murder?

So are you calling Maria town now?

i'm null on maria rn, will try to take a sort at them during their next posts

[Pink Ball]

if we live in a SB!scum world, i think jake's scum equity might increase slightly

Jake has been very quiet about SB.

Jake has been very quiet, period.

But both Jake and Gamma came to the thread after I posted my SB's case TWICE, in TWO different pages, a huge ass post that you couldn't avoid 'cause it would take you like a minute and a half to scroll past through it, and they just posted "wtf is going on" or something along those lines and then dissapeared.

[Gypyx]

random though, but murder mightb have a red PM > rand if town!cakez

What makes you say this?

if i understeand correctly he's pre-associating you into maria

that's pretty much it though, a random though

Yeah he is and it annoys me but whatever.
I think Murder's approach of me has been fairly town although it still irks me that he just repeated the same thing after I spent multiple pages answering his questions in detail.

town in what way?

anyways i'm off to sleep see y'all after 20 more pages

[midwaybear]

they just posted "wtf is going on" or something along those lines and then dissapeared.

lol idk if that is a buddy reaction though

[SirCakez]

random though, but murder mightb have a red PM > rand if town!cakez

What makes you say this?

if i understeand correctly he's pre-associating you into maria

that's pretty much it though, a random though

Yeah he is and it annoys me but whatever.
I think Murder's approach of me has been fairly town although it still irks me that he just repeated the same thing after I spent multiple pages answering his questions in detail.

town in what way?

anyways i'm off to sleep see y'all after 20 more pages

I can see the town gears turning in his head in a way. It feels like a genuine interaction, not like a scum pushing for a miselim. Also I believe him when he says he wants to do well on the survey for his team.

[Pink Ball]

they just posted "wtf is going on" or something along those lines and then dissapeared.

lol idk if that is a buddy reaction though

It's avoiding to take a stance and see how things resolve before jumping in

[SirCakez]

if we live in a SB!scum world, i think jake's scum equity might increase slightly

Jake has been very quiet about SB.

Jake has been very quiet, period.

But both Jake and Gamma came to the thread after I posted my SB's case TWICE, in TWO different pages, a huge ass post that you couldn't avoid 'cause it would take you like a minute and a half to scroll past through it, and they just posted "wtf is going on" or something along those lines and then dissapeared.

I called this Gamma post scummy earlier and I think it still holds.
Jake I'm unsure about.

[midwaybear]

It's avoiding to take a stance and see how things resolve before jumping in

Possibly.

[Something_Smart]

lol idk if that is a buddy reaction though

It sure seems like it could be one to me.

[Pink Ball]

It's avoiding to take a stance and see how things resolve before jumping in

Possibly.

Does that make me crazy?

[Pink Ball]

'Cause I remember when I lost my mind

[midwaybear]

Does that make me crazy?

Nah, I am saying that you might be right.

[midwaybear]

Yeah, Gamma might actually just be scum here. I was originally townreading him for playing like this, but it's gotten sorta old. I know someone said that they once played with Gamma, Gamma changed his style, and Gamma was scum.

[staypositivefriend]

if we live in a SB!scum world, i think jake's scum equity might increase slightly

Jake has been very quiet about SB.

i could not find any direct references to SB in Jake's ISO

but i could find an example or two of SB broadly shading jake while simultaneously shielding him at the same time - which is how i would imagine sb!scum would treat her partner in a situation like this

[Pink Ball]

Does that make me crazy?

Nah, I am saying that you might be right.

I want you to meet my friend, Gnarls Barkley

[Pink Ball]

if we live in a SB!scum world, i think jake's scum equity might increase slightly

Jake has been very quiet about SB.

i could not find any direct references to SB in Jake's ISO

but i could find an example or two of SB broadly shading jake while simultaneously shielding him at the same time - which is how i would imagine sb!scum would treat her partner in a situation like this

Well if we're going in this rabbit hole of preflip associations...

I think Noraa's interactions with SB are damning

[midwaybear]

Talking about preflip associations seems unproductive, but I get that some people are playing for more.

[MURDERSUNNY]

yeah he is and it annoys me but whatever.

I've been very clear about it.
I'm not sure why it should annoy you, as you are what I'm basing them on, not the other way around.

And as for the questions you answered, there was nothing in there that convinced me, sorry. I do appreciate the effort though and it looks like SB will be the lim today, not you. So if I'm alive tomorrow there is always time to re-evaluate.

To anyone who thinks preflip associations are dumb, they are only dumb if you refuse to update when presented to new info. I bet if I die tonight you'll all be happy I gave

all

of my thoughts.

[Pink Ball]

I don't think they're dumb, I think they have to be the last thing you do during the day after you have tried to sort everyone by their own and not connecting with others, that's all. If you feel you've done such thing, then by all means, focus on making associations.

[MURDERSUNNY]

I would be happy to end the day with an sb elim right now, yes
I don't actually think I will die tonight, I don't have a reputation with nearly any of you

[staypositivefriend]

Perhaps I will after I get more confidence.

pedit : i personally like monty's pythons, can we let him vibe for one day?

Yeah, I'm down.

Vote: Noraa

Might just be my unfamiliarity with Noraa, but I'm having trouble figuring out where she's coming from with her posts this far.

Also not overly liking Spring Breeze, but that's fine.

Cheeto is good.

Pedit: Cheeto may not be good oh no. Hm.

this post has already gotten a lot of heat, but this specific line is that one that bothers me the most. it distinctly feels like they

don't want

to out a read on spring breeze, but that they still feel obligated to do so. the wording of throwing shade on spring breeze while simultaneously invalidating their own read strikes me as really uncomfortable

if we live in a sb!scum world, this read i outed on private1 requires some more investigation

[Pink Ball]

I would be happy to end the day with an sb elim right now, yes
I don't actually think I will die tonight, I don't have a reputation with nearly any of you

I prepared myself for this game by reading all the huge ass Rising Star nominations for the scummies, but that was me preparing myself in case I rolled scum and had to watch myself from any of you.

That being said, from all the nominations, I thought yours resonated the most, so I don't think you're out of the nightkill pool.

Then again, I'm town, so yeah, you're probably not dying.

[MURDERSUNNY]

Ah yeah hopefully the scum team didn't read those.

[staypositivefriend]

VOTE: jingle

p-edit: i understand that. but i'm still not understanding your original point? broken down, maria just says "everyone vote zaiden," some people do, and then she comes back and says "ok i can do jingle too" i'm not sure that's really indicative of anything and i certainly don't think scum can't do this?

my teammate petapan pointed out that there is a slight dissonance to spring breeze arguing with me that maria shouldn't be townread while simultaneously sheeping maria's vote on jingle, and i agree

in fairness, spring breeze did out concerns about jingle that were separate from maria's suspicions. however, i find it worrisome that maria gunning for one of SB's top scumreads did not seem to impact how SB was reading or perceiving maria

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey UT it could be worse you could be modding the Black Flag which has even more pages than us LMAO

does it REALLY?