BooneyToonz XV: Dance of the Dark Fairy [Third Moonlight]

[Sequence]

Sircakez needs to as well.

The argument that when Sequence flips scum, Y is confirmed scum is sloppy reasoning that breaks down on flip.
You need to establish why we aren't a 3rd party first and then figure out whether we've been playing toward our win condition as town or scum motivated.
You also need to take into account that we can be wrong and are no more informed on who is and isn't scum than the rest of you.

This out right rejection of our third party claim is thoughtless.

-Bell.

[Titus]

Let's flip it.

VOTE: R&A

Bell said what bell said in twilight of moonphase 1

Why R and A?

Your claim does sound farfetched.

[Toogeloo]

Updated Tier List

100% Town Read

Unwnd
Rei and Asuka

Strong Town Lean

Lunar Martian
Samantha97

More Than Likely Town, Needs Moar Catgifs, Less Asshattery

Dkkoba

Town Leans

SirCakez
Titus
Flea The Magician

My PoE Pool

Special BROvert Ops
Nylaathria
Sequence
RCEnigma
Murdercat
Angel Warriors
Mathblade

This is still my read list. I feel like shit for helping eliminate Flea, but I really just wanted the day over. Sorry Flea .

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Hi folks.
You guys still think we're scum and not 3p?
Even though the number of players that would claim 3p as mafia are like, zero?

I've done it, and won my game.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that RCE didn't get IC'd in his hoods?

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I'm not voting R&A, like ever. Even if someone straight up claimed "guilty" on them, I'd probably be like, "they were framed."

[SirCakez]

Sircakez needs to as well.

The argument that when Sequence flips scum, Y is confirmed scum is sloppy reasoning that breaks down on flip.
You need to establish why we aren't a 3rd party first and then figure out whether we've been playing toward our win condition as town or scum motivated.
You also need to take into account that we can be wrong and are no more informed on who is and isn't scum than the rest of you.

This out right rejection of our third party claim is thoughtless.

-Bell.

That's not what I'm arguing. My theory is you are scum sided 3P but are claiming you are town sided.

[SirCakez]

No one has explained to me why Angel is scum.

[MURDERCAT]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that RCE didn't get IC'd in his hoods?

Not mine

[Rei and Asuka]

Asuka did you read the post I addressed to you?

-Bell.

I'm trying not to Bell, you're obvious town but I can't win this game for Ircher the way he's played it. You're welcome to try to lead on Gamma if you want to try to still fulfill wincon. You may be able to reluctantly convince town to flip group scum today. But you'd have to get Ircher to stop warlocking Sam.

-A

[Toogeloo]

Bell, you're making the wrong argument. Playing towards your wincon still requires either telling half truths or lies. A third party role is NOT town, and don't need town to necessarily win the game, and in most cases actually prefer an equal amount of town and scum deaths. We just have to

take your word for it

that you'll exit the game at Day 5 and not be killed by scum along the way. Kind of asks a lot don't you think?

[Sequence]

I am saying you and Titus are coordinating. That’s all. I don’t know how.

You’re claimed 3P so I know you’re not town because you said so yourself.

I know that if you’re scum there’s Titus shenanigans as I already suspect.

Something is missing.

Thats all that really needs to be said.

You need to justify, in words, why as scum we would claim 3p.

No I don’t. Your flip will either prove me right or wrong and if I am right I can discuss the theory. Otherwise you’re still scum siding 3P for trying to potentially out a town PR/vanilla

Yes, you do. Or else you're not playing to your win condition but working from an assumption to a result without doing any work you might as well be random voting if this is the level of thought you're going to put into this.

Again,
why, as scum would we claim 3rd party?
What do you think we expected to have happen?
3rd parties almost always get eliminated right away or get pushed into the pit by the scum team by arguing "they were scum siding, boohoo"

Your role crumb outting complaint is very safe and an easy sanctuary to push from.
While you blanket deny you were crumbing at all, when it wouldn't even hurt you to deny it if you didn't crumb.
You also got done telling me a story about how you like to claim early to justify your push on Sam, which you capitulated on, when I pointed out you were creating an entirely false comparison.


-Bell.

[Momrangal]

Despite being claimed ascetic mason they are alive and there are no other more important kill to make N1.

I also throughly doubt that scum are using their redirection factional ability to mess with their own targets. Why would they?

[Rei and Asuka]

I can explain why Angel is obvious scum in approximately 20 different ways but it will have to be much later tonight or probably tomorrow, ideally 'tomorrow' literally after we've flipped whoever town settles on out of ircher and gamma

-A

[Sequence]

Let's flip it.

VOTE: R&A

Bell said what bell said in twilight of moonphase 1

Bad vote.

-Bell.

[Titus]

No one has explained to me why Angel is scum.

That claim is suspect because that would be busted and I have reasons to think my action wasn't swapped.

[Momrangal]

Also, someone ping me when this 3p noise is over with and much as I hate it, I'm never going to be touching them

[Angel Warriors]

Despite being claimed ascetic mason they are alive and there are no other more important kill to make N1.

I also throughly doubt that scum are using their redirection factional ability to mess with their own targets. Why would they?

Also, someone ping me when this 3p noise is over with and much as I hate it, I'm never going to be touching them

Fuck me man

[Sequence]

For all intents and purposes the only difference between my role pm and other town's is that we lose the game if we die.

-Bell.

@Toogoloo, also, why in the world would you claim 3p as scum and how did you win through that?
More importantly, why would I, from my perspective who thinks it's hot nonsense to claim 3p as scum, claim 3p as scum.

As a 3p, who is scum siding why, in addition would I claim 3p or tell the truth at all about being 3p?

-Bell.

[MathBlade]

Despite being claimed ascetic mason they are alive and there are no other more important kill to make N1.

I also throughly doubt that scum are using their redirection factional ability to mess with their own targets. Why would they?

Also, someone ping me when this 3p noise is over with and much as I hate it, I'm never going to be touching them

Fuck me man

Possible but moon logic.

They’ve been nothing but town in the hood.

The only thing that gives me pause is the same thing that gives me pause about Titus. But of the two I trust RA more than Titus. I probably shouldn’t say more than that.

[Sequence]

I'm annoyed that I have to walk you guys through the reasoning as to why we not claim truthfully as 3p, as 3p as anything other than a town aligned 3p.
I also know that multiple of you have experience with 3p that were pretty much town+ so you're argument that it's false or that we're scum siding is based on fancy.

Why should our pushes or reads be better than yours and why should we be held anymore responsible for them, then anybody else?
What exactly turned you into thinking we were scum siding when every action Ircher has taken has been one of survival, while I've just been blatantly playing my town game?

-Bell.

[Toogeloo]

Read my Mystery Box of Silver 5 game in my Wiki, Bell.

I can't answer why you would do it though, nor do I care to. I'm treating you as "not town," but not in a hurry to lim you just yet. I'd much rather have Angel, Murder, Nylaa, or BRO first I think, though anyone on my PoE list I'm 100% in support of wagoning.

[Angel Warriors]

I really don't care what y'all do or think anymore honestly. Lynch us now and end being forced to give out what we can do to town, or go after our supposed partners first and force us to play against our "win-con"

[Sequence]

The problem I have with that is that it demonstrates a lack of curiosity about our alignment.
To me, our role and the veracity of our win condition is tied up with how we played and how Ircher claimed and how we approached Sam in our hood.
Presumably it's in everyone's interest to be able to discern the truth behind any players alignment or statement.

Not engaging with a suitable (and in fact, real) explanation is not good play. It's just kinda brain dead if you're town.
Also, don't ignore flea, fae did ask us not to be limmed and they have fairly good reason to think we're telling the truth imo.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

I really don't care what y'all do or think anymore honestly. Lynch us now and end being forced to give out what we can do to town, or go after our supposed partners first and force us to play against our "win-con"

Why are you suddenly on the table for elimination?
I never did hear what you claimed, I just guessed with Sam and Ircher in neighborhood.

-Bell.

[Angel Warriors]

Moonlit amnesiac. Delayed mutation of informed, informed of scum factional abilities at the start of morning sun phase.

[Angel Warriors]

Also we've always been on the table for elim since D1. Your buddy made sure of that

[Sequence]

Okay.

Why did you decide to claim PGO with that role?

-Bell.