TM 2021 - Black Flag Nightless

[Auro]

I offered logic for the same.

[Flopz]

chenn you seem pretty chill about the fact Flopz is hard tunneling you rn

I think it's not very likely it comes from a place of scum

chenn you seem pretty chill about the fact Flopz is hard tunneling you rn

I lied and I care now

In a world where Johnny is town it's possible he's scum pushing me to set me up after Johnny flips town, because I think it'd be pretty easy to do so

Flopz

Ok my tr on flopz is like entirely evaporated now

So what changed becuase I was voting you before there was a Johnny wagon and I've made my reasons for not joining the wagon pretty clear i.e you leading this wagon makes me wary that Johnny is in fact town even if he's second in my poe. Not too long ago I was one of your biggest Townreads so this is quite the jump.

[Auro]

I don't see how I was avoiding the wagon

When AL and Johnny were competing wagons you avoided placing a vote on either: sure you talked about it, but overall you still avoided that.

If it's of any interest, I'm also allying with Autumn Leaves in a way.

My argument was that even though I found Chen individually scummier I'd rather have AL precede it.

Would you be willing to vote Johnny now?

[Flopz]

I offered logic for the same.

And I'm scummier than your prevously most scummy slot because? And what's your view on Chenn now then?

[Auro]

you leading this wagon makes me wary that Johnny is in fact town

Okay I just saw this

[Flopz]

I don't see how I was avoiding the wagon

When AL and Johnny were competing wagons you avoided placing a vote on either: sure you talked about it, but overall you still avoided that.

If it's of any interest, I'm also allying with Autumn Leaves in a way.

My argument was that even though I found Chen individually scummier I'd rather have AL precede it.

Would you be willing to vote Johnny now?

No because it's led by my biggest scumread

[Auro]

And I'm scummier than your prevously most scummy slot because? And what's your view on Chenn now then?

Re-evaluation of your pop-in and your positions around Johnny/AL, and also nothing to particularly negate my previous reasons for pushing you.

Chen read was stale and he's not doing what I thought he was and should be doing as scum earlier in the game (poking shade and pushing at random points to divert from an elim outside it, at the time I thought AL specifically). He's neutral now to me.

[Flopz]

you leading this wagon makes me wary that Johnny is in fact town

Okay I just saw this

Yes, they are second in my POE but I want Chenn gone first as they are the scummiest here, and bottom of the poe independant of Infinity

Such a slot is better gone earlier than later, though, no? I'm not really expecting Johnny to swoop in and town it up [and that's okay, have fun with the baby Johnny ]

My main gripe on the Johnny wagon is that it was started by the scummiest slot which makes me hesitant to put my vote there when I'd othwerwise be fine with it

Auro I said this to you yesterday???

[Flopz]

Also I talked a little more about Flopz, X townreads Flopz (prior stance unchanged) and shrugged off the reasons stated against him, in fact to such an extent that Flopz is the only player he's currently considering would be in the "final block". He says this is based off his familiarity with town!Flopz as I understood it, but then again says he doesn't have any strong reads.

Has Xtomz's read changed from this too?

[Auro]

No because it's led by my biggest scumread

Are you sure Chen's "leading" it? Sure he was the first vote but I don't certainly wouldn't say he's leading that wagon...

Pedit: yes, you talked about it, but I'm evaluating the lack of vote either way by itself

[Auro]

Xtoxm stopped keeping up with the game a while ago

[Flopz]

No because it's led by my biggest scumread

Are you sure Chen's "leading" it? Sure he was the first vote but I don't certainly wouldn't say he's leading that wagon...

Pedit: yes, you talked about it, but I'm evaluating the lack of vote either way by itself

The fact that he's the first vote on the wagon makes me feel wary

[Auro]

What's your take on Shirou?

[Menalque]

Can we just lim johnny? I’m bored

[Flopz]

What's your take on Shirou?

Probably Town but I don't see much of a reason to follow up on that read because travelling up my POE will hit 2 scum before it's over (I was already TRing Fire, so don't need to think too hard on that slot)

[chennisden]

chenn you seem pretty chill about the fact Flopz is hard tunneling you rn

I think it's not very likely it comes from a place of scum

chenn you seem pretty chill about the fact Flopz is hard tunneling you rn

I lied and I care now

In a world where Johnny is town it's possible he's scum pushing me to set me up after Johnny flips town, because I think it'd be pretty easy to do so

Flopz

Ok my tr on flopz is like entirely evaporated now

So what changed becuase I was voting you before there was a Johnny wagon and I've made my reasons for not joining the wagon pretty clear i.e you leading this wagon makes me wary that Johnny is in fact town even if he's second in my poe. Not too long ago I was one of your biggest Townreads so this is quite the jump.

If it helps it's because a) I'm running out of scumreads and b) it's because of what joqiza pointed out

It's not really your play between then and now that has anything to do with it here. It was just me reevaluating.

[chennisden]

Fwiw I think Johnny is more likely to be scum than you here. And I also think you town him scum is possible.

[chennisden]

No because it's led by my biggest scumread

Are you sure Chen's "leading" it? Sure he was the first vote but I don't certainly wouldn't say he's leading that wagon...

Pedit: yes, you talked about it, but I'm evaluating the lack of vote either way by itself

The fact that he's the first vote on the wagon makes me feel wary

This btw is exactly what I would do here as scum if I were in his position

[Auro]

You want the hammer, Menalque?

[Flopz]

chenn you seem pretty chill about the fact Flopz is hard tunneling you rn

I think it's not very likely it comes from a place of scum

chenn you seem pretty chill about the fact Flopz is hard tunneling you rn

I lied and I care now

In a world where Johnny is town it's possible he's scum pushing me to set me up after Johnny flips town, because I think it'd be pretty easy to do so

Flopz

Ok my tr on flopz is like entirely evaporated now

So what changed becuase I was voting you before there was a Johnny wagon and I've made my reasons for not joining the wagon pretty clear i.e you leading this wagon makes me wary that Johnny is in fact town even if he's second in my poe. Not too long ago I was one of your biggest Townreads so this is quite the jump.

If it helps it's because a) I'm running out of scumreads and b) it's because of what joqiza pointed out

It's not really your play between then and now that has anything to do with it here. It was just me reevaluating.

Would you be kind enough to give a quick tiered readslist so I can see what you're all about?

[lilith2013]

mena doesn’t deserve hammer unless he replies to my limericks

[lilith2013]

I’d hammer, is johnny at e-2?

[Flopz]

Fwiw I think Johnny is more likely to be scum than you here. And I also think you town him scum is possible.

I'm feeling a whole lotta shade from you and Auro rn, it feels like you are trying to position against me on a Johnny town flip. So what would you do on a Johnny scum flip?

[Menalque]

You want the hammer, Menalque?

Always

[Menalque]

But lili can have it here, I wasn’t a main pusher of johnny so I don’t feel I deserve it

VOTE: johnny