TM 2021 - Black Flag Nightless

[Shirou]

Auro does seem to be spewing final thoughts or anything

doesn't seem*

I don't really town read what Auro is doing, I do think it's a bit emotionally charged because eliminations are never pleasant on active players.

[Auro]

i will say that i dont think you've been exploring the motivations of what people have been doing this game. i think there's a lot of good stuff to call out that you should've been calling out, at least from my pov. in no way did i mean that you were playing poorly or whatever, just that i thought it was unfortunate there were things i expected to happen and didnt see if you were town

I simply think I view the game very differently than you are.

auro can i get your read on shirou?

This will be spicy: town

[Auro]

Auro does seem to be spewing final thoughts or anything

doesn't seem*

I don't really town read what Auro is doing, I do think it's a bit emotionally charged because eliminations are never pleasant on active players.

I was a little emotional at Chennis' previous accusation but I am otherwise detached.

My spicy hypothesis for Lilith's partner was Menalque.

[Shirou]

chennisden wrote:
auro can i get your read on shirou?


This will be spicy: town

If you had come to this conclusion way early, I may have given you town points if you want me to be fair, but at this state I do think it's meaningless.

I don't think I may have changed my mind on your slot though just because of that.

[Shirou]

Auro does seem to be spewing final thoughts or anything

doesn't seem*

I don't really town read what Auro is doing, I do think it's a bit emotionally charged because eliminations are never pleasant on active players.

I was a little emotional at Chennis' previous accusation but I am otherwise detached.

My spicy hypothesis for Lilith's partner was Menalque.

I meant "emotionally charged" not as you being emotional, but it's an emotional moment in the game to bring an active, engaged player to E-1, and watch everyone sit awkwardly in the tablet saying last words, acting resigned to fate, or etc.

It's almost never pleasant regardless of alignment really, unless the entire playerlist is convinced of someone, the person is a low content poster, or other unusual circumstances.

[chennisden]

i will say that i dont think you've been exploring the motivations of what people have been doing this game. i think there's a lot of good stuff to call out that you should've been calling out, at least from my pov. in no way did i mean that you were playing poorly or whatever, just that i thought it was unfortunate there were things i expected to happen and didnt see if you were town

I simply think I view the game very differently than you are.

auro can i get your read on shirou?

This will be spicy: town

then why allow two mislims to go thru?

[Auro]

then why allow two mislims to go thru?

Am I the one "allowing" things to go through?

[Auro]

I'm fine with my elim today but if y'all are rushing a lim on me you can't really expect me to convince people of my agenda, right?

[chennisden]

yes, you seem very resigned to me?

[Shirou]

It's natural in those last moments to have sudden reconsideration, which in my experience are more often wrong than right, but I suppose that's my experience not a natural rule.

Even I feel a bit more comfortable seeing town!Auro due to circumstances, but the logical and bulk of the read is unchanging, therefore I don't think I should let any sway to happen especially considering the state.

Nothing changed, yet people may feel it's changed, it's just the kind of situation E-1 is.

[chennisden]

why not start with "half the playerlist isnt here and hasnt checked in guys chill with the speed??" do you really think we're going to be in the best position for d3/d4 if you don't at least try to delay it and let people like mathblade and flopz chime in?

[Shirou]

Again stating:

I'm in no way, shape or form retracting my previous statements. Everything is still according to the previous chain.

[Auro]

Again you're just expecting me to generically "fight the wagon if you're town!!" with "LOGIC!" but I really don't know what that would entail when I already conceded that the logic isn't the problem with a lot of the case.

[Auro]

why not start with "half the playerlist isnt here and hasnt checked in guys chill with the speed??" do you really think we're going to be in the best position for d3/d4 if you don't at least try to delay it and let people like mathblade and flopz chime in?

Obviously

I think you should chill with the speed! I

want

to delay it and have my teammates pitch in, too!

[chennisden]

you might not believe me when i say this, and that's fine by me, but i was actively looking for reasons to doubt my scumread on you and wouldn't have voted for you. i questioned myself and asked if it was too easy for you to be the partner even as johnny flipped red. i would probably not have voted for you, or not as fast, at least, if i got that

[Shirou]

I don't think it's necessarily rushed.

We had 20 pages of development, that's more than enough in my opinion.

We have a low participation of some slots, but they are the ones that is gonna decide the fate of this wagon, so it'll balance itself out.

There's no reason to the voting people to chill in my opinion.

[chennisden]

why not start with "half the playerlist isnt here and hasnt checked in guys chill with the speed??" do you really think we're going to be in the best position for d3/d4 if you don't at least try to delay it and let people like mathblade and flopz chime in?

Obviously

I think you should chill with the speed! I

want

to delay it and have my teammates pitch in, too!

so why're you just sitting here and going "alright well i guess im dead " instead of delaying it??

[Auro]

why not start with "half the playerlist isnt here and hasnt checked in guys chill with the speed??" do you really think we're going to be in the best position for d3/d4 if you don't at least try to delay it and let people like mathblade and flopz chime in?

Obviously

I think you should chill with the speed! I

want

to delay it and have my teammates pitch in, too!

so why're you just sitting here and going "alright well i guess im dead " instead of delaying it??

Okay and how would I be delaying it?

If there was X method to delay it I'd be very very interested in delaying it as scum much more than town? I don't resign as scum. I was scum in a near mechanical loss and I still tried to fight it just for the kicks (of course, we still lost, mechanics)

[chennisden]

Again you're just expecting me to generically "fight the wagon if you're town!!" with "LOGIC!" but I really don't know what that would entail when I already conceded that the logic isn't the problem with a lot of the case.

ive felt the same way about the reads on my slot!! like, "yeah ok i know i COULD do this as scum" i think the main factor is just "ok cool i mean i could do this as scum but also i could as town, here's why i think what you're describing differs from my townplay..."

[chennisden]

why not start with "half the playerlist isnt here and hasnt checked in guys chill with the speed??" do you really think we're going to be in the best position for d3/d4 if you don't at least try to delay it and let people like mathblade and flopz chime in?

Obviously

I think you should chill with the speed! I

want

to delay it and have my teammates pitch in, too!

so why're you just sitting here and going "alright well i guess im dead " instead of delaying it??

Okay and how would I be delaying it?

If there was X method to delay it I'd be very very interested in delaying it as scum much more than town? I don't resign as scum. I was scum in a near mechanical loss and I still tried to fight it just for the kicks (of course, we still lost, mechanics)

i don't think you could've done it NOW but i think you could've done it anytime from a long time ago to a short while ago

[Auro]

i don't think you could've done it NOW but i think you could've done it anytime from a long time ago to a short while ago

Buuuut this assumes less interest in doing so as town compared to scum which you've got flipped so...

"I could as scum but also as town and differs from my townplay" I don't think there's a very particular distinction between my scum and townplay where I could make concrete rebuttals to reads on this basis.

[Auro]

Inb4 someone "apathy" votes

[MathBlade]

intent to hammer after work

[chennisden]

i dunno. maybe it's not fair that i'm asking you to fight to the end. but i think you're pretty invested in this game as well, no?

[chennisden]

meh nah

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