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Post Post #5575 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:52 pm

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In post 5401, SirCakez wrote:Lunar is open wolfing
I kinda agree with the sentiment but not necessarily the conclusion. Lunar could take some more time to explain their thoughts than making statements.
In post 5404, RCEnigma wrote:Dark fairy isn't threatened by sequence hunting them or they would have been a nk already. Fair assessments?
Not strictly so. We still pose a threat to them, but it's undermined with the number of people trying to get rid of us. Both of the kills so far have been on people who had confirmable roles which are a much higher threat than we would ever be given on our level of knowledge.
In post 5408, Toogeloo wrote:as of right this second, Titus 4th
Eh, I don't really agree. I think Titus has had several reasonable stances throughout this game, and she hasn't been exploiting various opportunities that have popped up. Given her activity, I think she would have a much greater impact on the game if she is scum than what she is currently doing.
In post 5427, MURDERCAT wrote:I tracked Bro N1 and got the result of "Gamma" which was pretty funny (because of replace out).
...A tracker... I'm not particularly convinced. Like, I think there's a good chance you are perhaps a tracker, but I don't think I really buy this result.
In post 5436, MURDERCAT wrote:I would rather not say still because it's info that I think can be used by scum and isn't relevant unless I am going to be eliminated and forced to full claim.
...
In post 5452, Gamma Emerald wrote:I wouldn’t target myself with something
I agree something is up. Self targeting is almost never a valid action for most abilities.
In post 5461, Sequence wrote:Sam claimed Weak day one so why did they just regular kill them?
The answer to this is simple: unwnd had higher town equity at the time than samantha. Both had confirmable roles.
In post 5473, Toogeloo wrote:Unless a town blocker comes forward, you won't convince me that scum have a triple bus AND roleblock.
A lot changes on whether this setup is three mafia or four mafia. Although, I do think even with 3 scum, a triple redirect AND roleblocker is rather much for the power seen so far. Actually, town seems rather weak in this setup, like significantly so. That makes me lean towards it being 12-3-1.
In post 5482, MathBlade wrote:then Murdercat tracks himself to Gamma which would be true
Uh, trackers can't normally self-target?
In post 5499, MathBlade wrote:I disagree I think he’s been more proactive than most people. If we go with not proactive I would prefer a lurker.
Kind of, kind of not. He's done more than say Lunar has, but he is in some sense active lurking imo. (You are of course free to disagree.)
In post 5502, Titus wrote:If we presume Angels and Gamma are both town, a roleblocker might not be needed at all. Gamma's action works on town.

If Angel was bussed with scum, Gamma's action fails and no roleblocker is needed.
Someone please remind me what Gamma claimed.
In post 5508, Toogeloo wrote:Gamma claimed roleblocked, not action failure.
Eh, from a visible stance, they are effectively one and the same. Roleblocking is the action of causing someone else's action to fail.
In post 5512, MathBlade wrote:I mean if the scum roleblocker is loud it would make sense. Lemme check the sheet here and see if loud is a possibility. It would balance the three bus drivers so people would know they’d be blocked so it would give us something but maybe not the thing we wanted. Again that’s more assumption though.
Loud is an absurd assumption. If the redirector or roleblocker was loud, Gamma Emerald or someone else would have claimed by now they were visited by XYZ. You are mixing it up with the Announcing modifier.
In post 5516, Titus wrote:Gamma claims he gave Angel fruit.
Angel denies fruit.
Gamma TRs Angel, so he guesses he was blocked.

Meanwhile, as a collective, we overlook the bus driver.
Even if bus driven/redirected, the fruit would be claimed by now if it was received by someone else, right? So that only leaves roleblock/action failure as a possibility. Angel would have no reason to lie about not receiving fruit, right?
In post 5518, Sequence wrote:I thought if you were role blocked you always get a message saying your action failed?

-Bell.
Investigatives get No Result. No message for anyone else.
In post 5539, Sequence wrote:Do you mean uncounter claimed bus driver detection?

-Bell.
Math claimed to be the Magical Fairy... Well kinda. There's one issue with his claim, but it's probably not worth bringing up rn.
In post 5548, Titus wrote:Math, gamma, murder and quiet are not the scums.

Pick elsewhere
Wow, we agree on like 1/4. You'll come around, I'm sure. Probably not until after we flip, but bookmark this post for when that happens.

I think if I took a pick outside that pool, the most reasonable ones are Enigma and Lunar. Lunar for their posts today; Enigma because of the weird claim and how they're just acting in general. Like the lim in Cakez, Murder, Gamma comment was off.

Cakez strikes me as possible scum, but really, I'd rather have a cop check there. I think this could potentially be in their town range still, but it gets harder with every post to maintain that belief.

Nylaa, maybe, but they seem MIA and the "default" lim if we can't agree elsewhere. (Well technically, we're the default lim, but I mean after us.)
In post 5554, Titus wrote:Math has partners. Find them. If you're right, I'll reassess on Math.
Fair enough.
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Post Post #5576 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:56 pm

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Sorry everyone, I see many pages and I'm on my phone, so catching up tomorrow.
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Post Post #5577 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:57 pm

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I guess MURDERCAT is off the table now, so we'll
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for now.

With regards to Nylaa, I'm kinda ambivalent. If that's the direction we go, then sure, I'll act with the general consensus, but I'm not overly fond of it and am a little weary of it.
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Post Post #5578 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:01 pm

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In post 5575, Sequence wrote:Even if bus driven/redirected, the fruit would be claimed by now if it was received by someone else, right? So that only leaves roleblock/action failure as a possibility. Angel would have no reason to lie about not receiving fruit, right?
Gamma claimed LOYAL which means his action fails if he targets scum.

So Angel being swapped with scum removes the need for a roleblocker
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Post Post #5579 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:10 pm

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Post Post #5580 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:56 pm

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Are we going to force a mass claim or not btw?
I've already explained that this type of game is rife with readily available fake claims, rather, scum generally have roles that work fine as either alignment.
We're supposed to solve for and navigate those fake claims rather than sit passively and hope power roles find the answers for us.

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Post Post #5581 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:26 pm

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Status update for Titus.
went through all of dkkoba's posts and I think elements is town. At first I thought they might have been scum based on some milquetoast interactions but they just went too hard on the emotion and pure conviction train.

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Post Post #5582 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:27 pm

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In post 5581, Bell wrote:Status update for Titus.
went through all of dkkoba's posts and I think elements is town. At first I thought they might have been scum based on some milquetoast interactions but they just went too hard on the emotion and pure conviction train.

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Post Post #5583 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:13 am

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In post 5457, SirCakez wrote:Why do scum do this night 1 tho?
To mess with stuff?
I mean I was kinda obvious with my softing so scum could have been scared of me? (sorry for thinking tracker would actually be good, nope triple redirect)

But Gamma was scummy with dayplay too that's why I was thinking of it as the possibility they did something to save him.
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Post Post #5584 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:15 am

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In post 5458, MathBlade wrote:I didn’t realize it was a mechanics thing.
I mean, by design. If it were a cop guilty or something that's different but I was happy to just let R+A push it for me.
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Post Post #5585 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:17 am

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In post 5461, Sequence wrote:Why in the world would that be in a set up where there are multiple weak players? if the triple redirector were scum?
This is why the idea of everyone claiming D1 is dumb. If someone crumbs a target then it's fine, but if you claim then obviously scum is going to have some way to counter it.
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Post Post #5586 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:22 am

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In post 5489, MathBlade wrote:Oh and MC please explain the informed bit.
Still no, there is literally no reason to. If we mass claim then yes.
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Post Post #5587 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:27 am

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In post 5518, Sequence wrote:I thought if you were role blocked you always get a message saying your action failed?

-Bell.
Only if you should get some result from it. If you get no result (like a fruit vendor or friendly neighbor or something like that) then you wouldn't know I don't think.
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Post Post #5588 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:28 am

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In post 5521, MathBlade wrote:There is a modifier I just can’t think of it.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Announcing
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Post Post #5589 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:33 am

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In post 5569, Toogeloo wrote:Gamma is hardly clear, I've made my opinion known on that. But Queen Titus has more sway than I do, so I'll take any scum read I can.

The problem is we literally don't know any of the fuckery, but a picture can be painted and people told to believe it.
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Post Post #5590 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:34 am

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I agree that I'm not confident that Gamma is clear, because it seemed like there was a lot of logic that started with assuming Gamma is town.
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Post Post #5591 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:37 am

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In post 5575, Sequence wrote:Someone please remind me what Gamma claimed.
It was something like odd night loyal fruit vendor or something like that, R+A had this whole thing about it in the hood
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Post Post #5592 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:38 am

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In post 5575, Sequence wrote:Angel would have no reason to lie about not receiving fruit, right?
You probably also wouldn't expect someone to lie about being scum...
But no I don't think so
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Post Post #5593 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:43 am

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In post 5583, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 5457, SirCakez wrote:Why do scum do this night 1 tho?
To mess with stuff?
I mean I was kinda obvious with my softing so scum could have been scared of me? (sorry for thinking tracker would actually be good, nope triple redirect)

But Gamma was scummy with dayplay too that's why I was thinking of it as the possibility they did something to save him.
This raises a good point
Why was Gamma bus driven? To protect him as scum?
Or just to fuck with town's results?
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Post Post #5594 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:44 am

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In post 5579, Titus wrote:
quiet

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This makes too many assumptions about the game
Why is Gamma locked as town?
Why are Sequence and RCE off the table?
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Post Post #5595 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:55 am

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In post 5582, Sequence wrote:
In post 5581, Bell wrote:Status update for Titus.
went through all of dkkoba's posts and I think elements is town. At first I thought they might have been scum based on some milquetoast interactions but they just went too hard on the emotion and pure conviction train.

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Post Post #5596 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:58 am

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In post 5594, SirCakez wrote:
In post 5579, Titus wrote:
quiet

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Town

Has reasons to not be in today's PoE
This makes too many assumptions about the game
Why is Gamma locked as town?
Why are Sequence and RCE off the table?

You sure are complaining a lot for getting a PoE that looks like your alleged reads.

We already went through the night action resolution that clears Gamma. Either fight it or accept it. Don't shade it from the side.

Sequence isn't groupscum and it's the lhf to try and keep the scumpool open as long as possible.

Unwnd being the night 1 kill is less likely in a scum RCE world.
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Post Post #5597 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:04 am

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In post 5596, Titus wrote:
In post 5594, SirCakez wrote:
In post 5579, Titus wrote:
quiet

Elements

SirCakez
Titus

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Gamma Emerald

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Town

Has reasons to not be in today's PoE
This makes too many assumptions about the game
Why is Gamma locked as town?
Why are Sequence and RCE off the table?

You sure are complaining a lot for getting a PoE that looks like your alleged reads.

We already went through the night action resolution that clears Gamma. Either fight it or accept it. Don't shade it from the side.

Sequence isn't groupscum and it's the lhf to try and keep the scumpool open as long as possible.

Unwnd being the night 1 kill is less likely in a scum RCE world.
I can see it if RCE never had a target in the first place. Then just claim redirected or he actually did bus drive and it’s a true claim. I can see it but I think the unwd kill is NAI for RCE. Especially if midway through the day the team is like “oh shit we have to kill unwd go put a crumb somewhere else”. It’s moon logic and a stretch and I think RCE is town based on play today.
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Post Post #5598 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:49 am

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In post 5508, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 5502, Titus wrote:If we presume Angels and Gamma are both town, a roleblocker might not be needed at all. Gamma's action works on town.

If Angel was bussed with scum, Gamma's action fails and no roleblocker is needed.
Gamma claimed roleblocked, not action failure.
I claimed RBed because I believed that was the case when I targeted Angels and didn't die but they didn't receive fruit
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Post Post #5599 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:51 am

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In post 5516, Titus wrote:
In post 5515, Sequence wrote:You're saying Gamma didn't imply he was blocked but faked confusion and came up with the role block and now triple swap idea to defend himself?

@Titus.

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No.

Gamma claims he gave Angel fruit.
Angel denies fruit.
Gamma TRs Angel, so he guesses he was blocked.

Meanwhile, as a collective, we overlook the bus driver.
I was voting Angel from pretty much when they claim no fruit, how was I TRing them?
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