Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

[SirCakez]

Noraa, if you want to start this day over and we both stop being a dick to each other, I'll be glad. Scumreading all you want, but have some respect and I'll respect you back.

I haven't even talked to you a single time this morning. It's just been you being a dick to me.

I mean
How can you blame him when he just nailed scum yesterday and you come in here wagging an extremely ambiguous thing that makes him lockscum

so? He called me scum when I was obvtown yesterday.

Noraaa we had this discussion yesterday.

Can we move Zaiden into the townblock?

Seems fair
what's the townblock rn?

PB should be in there obv.
I think Cheet is looking pretty good this game.
Murdersunny is also almost definitely town with SB scumflip.

Noraa / Pinkball
Cheetory / Zaiden
midway / Jingle / Murdercatto

This is a pretty solid starting point imo.

yeah I support this
4/7 of those I came to naturally TR just by reading stuff this day phase, and they're the top two tiers, plus I have liked the vibes from you and mwb this day phase, and murdersunny seems pretty solvy in a way that vibes with his town game

Pretty much this altho I would not put Midway or Jingle in.

[SirCakez]

I would add MT to the tier where I am and drop kitty to the tier below with Pooky, btw

oh hey, i'm having MT as a slight SR personally, mainly for clidd's (slot he repped in) behaviour, and MT's ISO is just a huge void in my eyes

why the bat town then

I don't think this is accurate at all.
Just look at the huge post she dropped analyzing the votes on the SB wagon.

[Noraa]

Tbh I think Maria and Private are LHF here and while that may sound stupid af given they are both listmods, I do think there's something about this game that is making them come up really LHF-y.
Cant figure out what but it's there.
I think Gypyx is a wagon I'm willing to compromise on.
If Pink Ball is town, hopefully I see it eventually but I might not. It depends ig.

[Noraa]

Noraaa we had this discussion yesterday.

yeah well my point is that those cancel out so your point is invalid.

[SirCakez]

I actually think Pooky might be town who just really botched his TR on SB. This is more likely because he hasn't played with SB scum before.

[SirCakez]

Jake looks a lot worse

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think listmod status has a correlation with player skill??? But you might be right that there's too many SRs on maria rn

[Pink Ball]

Oh Cakez wasn't included in that list, that's great news! 10 out of 16 town

[Gypyx]

I would add MT to the tier where I am and drop kitty to the tier below with Pooky, btw

oh hey, i'm having MT as a slight SR personally, mainly for clidd's (slot he repped in) behaviour, and MT's ISO is just a huge void in my eyes

why the bat town then

I don't think this is accurate at all.
Just look at the huge post she dropped analyzing the votes on the SB wagon.

so you call summarizing the posts of everyone analyzing? if so yes MT analyzed the wagon

[midwaybear]

clidd basically dropped a buch of meta on you then repped out, and according to iv he has a meta of being a very good townplayer, but disliking very much being scum

so like, idk, i feel like if he was town, even if life had him busy, he would at least try to solve?

I was actually a bit concerned about this because clidd is playing in a game right now.
I think saying Morning has not been solving is somewhat of a stretch.

[Noraa]

I don't think listmod status has a correlation with player skill??? But you might be right that there's too many SRs on maria rn

Well Maria is known for stellar town play ...
Not sure about Private because I've never heard of their play outside of mish mash.

[SirCakez]

I don't think listmod status has a correlation with player skill??? But you might be right that there's too many SRs on maria rn

I don't really think so though?

I would add MT to the tier where I am and drop kitty to the tier below with Pooky, btw

oh hey, i'm having MT as a slight SR personally, mainly for clidd's (slot he repped in) behaviour, and MT's ISO is just a huge void in my eyes

why the bat town then

I don't think this is accurate at all.
Just look at the huge post she dropped analyzing the votes on the SB wagon.

so you call summarizing the posts of everyone analyzing? if so yes MT analyzed the wagon

Yup

[Noraa]

VOTE: Gypyx
lets see how this wagon does

[Pink Ball]

Clidd was on ABR's team, I would have repped out too.

Also, don't talk about replacements to get reads. Bad taste.

[Gypyx]

clidd basically dropped a buch of meta on you then repped out, and according to iv he has a meta of being a very good townplayer, but disliking very much being scum

so like, idk, i feel like if he was town, even if life had him busy, he would at least try to solve?

I was actually a bit concerned about this because clidd is playing in a game right now.
I think saying Morning has not been solving is somewhat of a stretch.

hmmm maybe it's a stretch yes, but i still think it's under the level at which a green boi would do it

[Gypyx]

Clidd was on ABR's team, I would have repped out too.

Also, don't talk about replacements to get reads. Bad taste.

now i'm not calling the rep out scummy on it's own, just the behaviour that was precedenting it

[Gypyx]

I don't think listmod status has a correlation with player skill??? But you might be right that there's too many SRs on maria rn

I don't really think so though?

I would add MT to the tier where I am and drop kitty to the tier below with Pooky, btw

oh hey, i'm having MT as a slight SR personally, mainly for clidd's (slot he repped in) behaviour, and MT's ISO is just a huge void in my eyes

why the bat town then

I don't think this is accurate at all.
Just look at the huge post she dropped analyzing the votes on the SB wagon.

so you call summarizing the posts of everyone analyzing? if so yes MT analyzed the wagon

Yup

okay then, analyzing a wagon is in no way town indicative as any somewhat decicated scum can just go, sink 1 hour into writing that and boom free cred

[Noraa]

Also, don't talk about replacements to get reads. Bad taste.

+1

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx
lets see how this wagon does

kinda wanna call you scum for even daring to express a scumread on obvtown me just to show you that this reasoning you had is flawed tbh lol

[Jingle]

@Noraa:

If PB is scum, his plan was to bus SB hard. He committed to this plan early-ish D1 when there were a pile of alternatives, he was under no pressure, and SB was a 1 shot with a strong scum role, meaning it was in scum's best interest to keep her around at least one night.

His case came in the midst of several strong pushes at a point where it would have been relatively easy to retract into "reaction test" and he was consistent in pushing that case. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that PB wanted the SB lim to go through. The only possible explanation there for it to be S/S is that PB is a stronger scum candidate for the endgame, but he's successfully pulled all the attention to himself, meaning that if he doesn't get nightkilled at some point (presumably immediately after whatever protective we have is outed) he's going to have some splainin to do.

An alternative explanation to his aggressive behavior is that he wants to bring in good tiebreaks for his team, which seems much more reasonable than PB decided to murder/death/kill SB despite SB being in arguably the best position among the lurkers.

Furthermore, I was presumably misreading you for a large portion of yesterday, and you seem to have come around on town-me, so someone misreading you yesterday is entirely reasonable. Also, the way you went about defending SB doesn't seem S/S indicative, and it seems entirely reasonable to have come to that conclusion over the night phase. Of the SB defenders, Noraa>Pooky>Murdercat with large gaps in between for towniness. Pooky is still a townlean based on the wagon, but murder slipped dramatically downwards in my reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gypyx
I think we have a bit of a BM+Cakez situation from Among Us with PB and Gypyx

[Jingle]

Murdersunny is also almost definitely town with SB scumflip.

Tell me more.

[Noraa]

@Noraa:

If PB is scum, his plan was to bus SB hard. He committed to this plan early-ish D1 when there were a pile of alternatives, he was under no pressure, and SB was a 1 shot with a strong scum role, meaning it was in scum's best interest to keep her around at least one night.

His case came in the midst of several strong pushes at a point where it would have been relatively easy to retract into "reaction test" and he was consistent in pushing that case. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that PB wanted the SB lim to go through. The only possible explanation there for it to be S/S is that PB is a stronger scum candidate for the endgame, but he's successfully pulled all the attention to himself, meaning that if he doesn't get nightkilled at some point (presumably immediately after whatever protective we have is outed) he's going to have some splainin to do.

An alternative explanation to his aggressive behavior is that he wants to bring in good tiebreaks for his team, which seems much more reasonable than PB decided to murder/death/kill SB despite SB being in arguably the best position among the lurkers.

Furthermore, I was presumably misreading you for a large portion of yesterday, and you seem to have come around on town-me, so someone misreading you yesterday is entirely reasonable. Also, the way you went about defending SB doesn't seem S/S indicative, and it seems entirely reasonable to have come to that conclusion over the night phase. Of the SB defenders, Noraa>Pooky>Murdercat with large gaps in between for towniness. Pooky is still a townlean based on the wagon, but murder slipped dramatically downwards in my reads.

Fair enough. I didn't really pay much attention to the Kanna wagon tbh. For some reason I thought murder started it which is why I said he was locktown.

[Noraa]

I think out of Private and Maria, Maria is 100% the scummier one.
I think I would want to see the two main wagons be on Gypyx and Maria today because that sounds like a pair that definitely contains scum.

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx
I think we have a bit of a BM+Cakez situation from Among Us with PB and Gypyx

what happened there