Okay so I was very wrong about MUSH being scummy. Sorry MUSH. :/ At least Duchess flipped scum, otherwise I'd think I'm probably hopeless this game.
Imperium, where is your definitive argument on why peta is scum? I just kinda expected that you would have finished that write-up while we waited for Day 3. I mean if it's still not presentable now I don't know why you expected to write it before ending Day 2.
In post 1474, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:I think there's a chance of this also being positioning for a deepwolf that I townread.
Does that even work in this set up? As soon as you misfire the gun goes to a different person, messing up the deep wolf positioning. Seems to me like we shouldn't be paranoid about our town reads if we get the gun. Worry more about the scumreads.
I mean if there were such a deepwolf angle on you, it would undoubtedly be Imperium right? But I actually don't think that would be a consideration for scum-Imperium. Let me elaborate that in my response to your question:
In post 1510, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:STT? Give me a towncase on Imperium. Yes, I know you scumread them, that's why I want your towncase specifically. Think about it and you'll get the point of this request.
Yeah actually I'm less confident about my previous scumreads on Imperium. I mean by order on my town-to-scum list they're probably still in the range of being scum, but probably just barely hovering around that line. One of the things I was suspecting was that one of you (Mush and Imperium) was trying to buddy up to the other, 'cause it seemed all too in sync. But though it's still possible, that probability is lowered now with a confirmed MUSH. It's still possible that Imperium is the ass-kissing scum, but then I wouldn't expect them to give you the gun this early. To do the deepwolf play they'd want you to get the gun later in the game, when people run out of other targets and start looking hard at Imperium. Then their buddying-up will pay off and convince you to make that final misfire. Giving you the gun now would mean wasting all their buddying-up investment as soon as you misfire. And scum would want you to misfire ASAP...so they can't both have their cake and eat it too.
In general I have to re-calibrate the weight of my previous reasons for suspecting Imperium now that I know I was wrong about MUSH. The most convincing reason to see Imperium as town is that their reactions, their emotions, seem genuine. They put a lot of effort into asking people questions to find out whatever info they need. They are not shy about putting themselves in the spotlight. When I called them scum it didn't deter them from their initiative, so it's either good town or scum trying to redirect. They're super hyped about their case on petapan in a way that seems town-like. I mean if I had a good reason to think someone is scum, as they say they do, I believe I'd act the same way (although, unwnd noted that they believe Imperium was capable of faking this conviction so....but then again how much should I weigh unwnd's words? I don't have a good reason to).
Anyway there was this other thing from Unwnd:
In post 1501, unwnd wrote:I stand by what I said of peta earlier, the reasons you're trudging about are not alignment indicative. I think peta is genuinely annoyed/frustrated at your BoP angle, which even in the event of them being scum will make him less cooperative
I think this is the 2nd time you've mentioned the thing about "even if petapan is scum, your play is bad because it makes him uncooperative". How does this work? I don't understand because you can never trust scum to cooperate with you anyway, it's not like if we are nice to them they give us more chances to win. I don't understand this reasoning from a town perspective.
