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[Almost50]

I somehow managed to burn my middle finger's top, and it hurts so bad

Obviously it's bloody hard to stay focused while in such pain, not to mention typing with the wrong hand

But what saddens me the most is that I won't be using emojis on this one. So sorry, Hopkirk

[Titus]

can i get a quick check from duck/lld/titus/flakes on how much they've read because you guys haven't explicitly engaged with much of the game for various reasons just wondering

I haven't read much of the early game and I decided to fuck it and play via wagonomics

[OkaPoka]

...

[Titus]

So, my question is how do I fix LLD v DGB when LLD is largely checked out...

Hmm

VOTE: the worst

Mastina, help me bus worst.

[Cephrir]

im like totally fine with just eliming ythan or worst today and giving it another go tomorrow

[mastina]

in fact the wagon sprung up really fast

Did it?

Vote Count 1.3

hercule

(5): Lady Lambdadelta, innocentvillager, Ythan, OkaPoka, the worst

Xtoxm

(2): hercule, Dunnstral

innocentvillager

(2): DrippingGoofball, Almost50

Almost50

(2): Hopkirk, Dannflor

Dannflor

(2): Cephrir, mastina

the worst

(1): jjh927

DrippingGoofball

(1): Xtoxm

Not Voting

(3): Titus, Winter Flakes, AGar

Here's vc 1.3. Here's every vote following that:

VOTE: hercule

hercule up to 6 votes.

VOTE: Hercule

hercule up to 7 votes.

VOTE: The Worst

VOTE: hercule

hercule up to 8 votes.

UNVOTE:

(Albeit immediately back down to 7 tho.)

VOTE: A50

VOTE: A50

VOTE: LLD

This was the first vote for the current LLD wagon, the second LLD vote in the entire game.

VOTE: Lady LambdaDelta

Second vote on the wagon.

VOTE: LLD

Third vote on the wagon.

VOTE: LLD

Fourth vote. If you think that wagon speed is 'fast', do you want me to point out the proximity of votes on the hercule, Dunnstral, and Hopkirk wagons? Because all of those got to 3-4 votes just as fast if not faster than this. Beyond that...

Skipping ahead a little,

VOTE: lld

This was the fifth vote on LLD, much much later.

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

I was the sixth, even later on.

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

This was vote seven, even later on.

UNVOTE:

But on that same page, hercule unvoted, so LLD went down to six again.

VOTE: LLD

This BRIEFLY brought the vote back up to 7, and,

VOTE: Lady LambdaDelta

This BRIEFLY brought it up to 8, but...

UNVOTE:

Oka unvotes, back down to 7, and...

VOTE: dgb the chicken Is making a lot of sense lately and I’m starting to tr lld

IV hops off from being on LLD to joining LLD's counterwagon, bringing the total down to six, where it has remained.

This happened in such a short span of time the mod never got a votecount which showed LLD as going to L-2.

The wagon on LLD formed over a large span of time, and its growth is far from explosive.

And the L-2 on her wagon lasted less than an hour. Less than half an hour, in fact. It lasted a grand total of five minutes, actually. And L-3 lasted a grand total of two hours. Two hours, over two pages--that was it. Two hours, two pages, above 6 votes; an entirety of the game at six votes.

The LLD wagon was most definitely not a fast wagon.

[mastina]

it got to like 8 votes without there even being a case.

This is a fine case of a technical truth that is, technically, true, but is a vast misrepresentation of the LLD wagon. I've just shown how the votes evolved there--it was very much not a "run LLD up to L-2" thing; she's been, consistently, at 5-6 the entire time her wagon has existed. She basically never was at L-2. Oka never voted her with the intention of keeping her there and the vote was removed five minutes later as proof of this.

[Cephrir]

like you wanna increase town win %? how about not having a 200 page day 1.

[mastina]

i dont enjoy doing this but people see big blocks of text and become hypnotized without critically analyzing them for actual value

Yeah the thing is tho: people are critically analyzing them for their actual value, and then pointing out the flaws in them and the things they agree with, by and large. (I admittedly could do better on the latter; I'm mostly not doing enough to show where I agree, with too much explaining what I disagree with.)

[mastina]

does LLD still think mastina is scum or is this a playstyle shading type thing?

Hot take: LLD mentioned in the scum thread toying around with the idea of pushing mastina as scum and tw mistakenly believed that was something she had done so posted this unaware LLD never had pushed me.

[mastina]

-the wagon feels hardstuck and that makes me think its a situation like last game where scum are just refusing to bus

I mean it got to E-2
and I know I'm one of those refusing to vote LLD but I'm town so it's harder for me to buy this reasoning

With me having shown and demonstrated why this, tho technically true, is a massive misrepresentation of the wagon: do you still stand by this defense?

[Cephrir]

mafia fact: any wagon that doesn't go through must be because of scum not bussing

[mastina]

LLD, I don't really think it's xtoxm this game.

LLD needs to push through a wagon on a town player that is reasonably strongly considered town, but is a weak enough player who is just low-hanging-fruit enough to be a push that can actually work.

This is a staple of her scumgame. That's why she was pushing hercule and that's why she's now pushing Xtoxm; both players fit that mold. Of townread players that're weak enough to be mislynch bait that she can push through.

[mastina]

so titus whatcha going to do about the current "tvt" gamestate then?

Hint: this is actually a significant part of why I am scumreading Titus here.

[Cephrir]

i think anyone reading the thread could foresee that an xtoxm wagon was never going anywhere today

[mastina]

Chums

mastina
Xtoxm
Okapoka
Dannflor
hercule
DrippingGoofball
Winter flakes
InnocentVillager
Hopkirk
Almost50

Umms

Titus
LLD
Cephrir
Ythan

Scums

the worst
AGar
Dunnstral

Literally the only chum I disagree with in that list is OkaPoka; I otherwise think it is 100% town. (Heck, Oka could be town, it's just he's much better in the 'Umms' category imo.)

I'd swap him with Ceph, honestly, since I do think Ceph belongs in town.

I legit feel a good poe would be {Titus, LLD, OkaPoka, Ythan, the worst, maybe-AGar}. (I don't really think Dunnstral is scum.)

Those 5.5 I do think contain 3-4 scum. The exact combo of scum, I'm not sure on, but I can say that I still think Titus is scum here and that LLD is scum here and the remaining 3.5 are more in flux.

[mastina]

why is she scum? a lot of your posts are basically lld is scum so therefore lld is scum. what would a town!lld do vs a scum!lld?

I don't have the energy to scumcase LLD right now but it basically comes down to who she is pushing as well as the why. A town-LLD here would be pushing...I don't want to say "the hardest scum to eliminate", but kinda close to this. If the scumteam had any power-scum player, LLD would identify and push them, basically. That's not a good representation of it, like I said, I'm not exactly in the headspace to properly lay it out and explain it, but a town-LLD doesn't take the jjh approach of focusing on the easiest scum.

A scum-LLD takes a similar approach to the above, but instead of pushing a player who, if they are scum, is the hardest scum to eliminate, she pushes a player who is difficult, but not impossible, to eliminate, a player townread but who has enough exploitable flaws in their play to form a reasonably plausible scumread on them that has decent push behind it. hercule was such a player, and Xtoxm is also such a player. Players that, if they were to be scum (but aren't), wouldn't be easy per se but comparatively speaking are easier than other options.

[mastina]

Her posts have a lot of words but say nothing. It's particularly true of her increasing FoS of me. She recycles her claim that I'm scum but there's no rationale or reasoning behind that or much of her other reads. When people want help in reading me, she tries to sell them that an unreadable Titus is a scum!Titus. That's besides the fact that there is enough to get a weak read on me. The fact I have been unreadable is largely due to lack of content and life. Mastina has used my slow start to keep me in a low bin and not engage with any content of my postings.

Just gonna make a blanket statement and say that the only part of Titus's post here which is true is that I've not given my rationale/reasoning behind why she's scum--a fact that I have acknowledged on multiple occasions and fully admitted that, no, I have not, even though, yes, I know I need to.

That one thing Titus said in 1898? That was true!

The rest of it (me saying nothing, me not explaining my reads, me saying unreadable Titus = scum-Titus) tho? Not accurate even remotely.

[mastina]

Mastina, help me bus worst.

The problem is that worstie's the scumread of mine most likely to be wrong.

Doubly so IF LLD were town; the worst's chances of being town go UP with LLD town, rather than down.

i think anyone reading the thread could foresee that an xtoxm wagon was never going anywhere today

You say this, but you could say the same of hercule before LLD voted him--I think anyone reading the thread could foresee that a hercule wagon was never going anywhere today at the time of 325.

Nobody had voted hercule prior to that point; nobody was suspicious of hercule prior to that point; he was either not given a read or in the townreads of everyone. Nobody had him south of null prior to LLD's push on him. Nobody would've thought a wagon on hercule was viable at that time.

And yet, he got to L-2 at the peak of his wagon. So it clearly was.

And there's enough lingering suspicion on Xtoxm for similar to happen here.

[OkaPoka]

[Cephrir]

i miss unwnd

[OkaPoka]

take your time mastina but just saying the most convincing point about lld being scum is the thing about ducky and lld being in a pt together

i will retract parts of the towncase

[Winter Flakes]

@Oka

I've kept up with the game pretty well for the most part

Lack of engagement is mostly down to the fact that I do most of my reading after midnight because ya boy been having some pretty busy days

also the whole lld/herc thing has been t/t to me and i still haven't really figured out how i feel about dgb yet

i like mastina's PoE for the most part

[OkaPoka]

do u want to talk about anything

[OkaPoka]

im bored and might disappear all of tomorrow sooooo wanna talk