In post 1676, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Normally, I'd call it townie or NAI for you to not know this immediately after replacing in, because that's just sensible. However, for reasons I am leaving mysteriously unstated, I will call it scummy instead. This is non-negotiable, I will not explain, and I do still expect you to react to it.
In post 1678, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:And with that data now before me, I'll float my interim solve here: unwnd, HUB, Dunn, Wheme.
In post 1031, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:What I'm concerned about here is this: if Cakez has a strong, overwhelming sense of Scum off of Imperium and is town, I can see Cakez assuming that the familiarity and the strong gutping override logical debate, but that he has to be /convincing/ somehow to ensure his pet scumread gets shot. I think many people forget that having many different arguments that you abandon rapidly as they are shot down weakens how people perceive your argument as a whole rather than strengthening it, but I understand the impulse and am often tempted to succumb to it when it would serve me better to say "Fair, but I'm still scumreading them and you can't stop me."
In post 1021, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:It's a garbage reason.In post 986, Imperium wrote:Could you get into why you think that unwnd is town?In post 723, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:I wouldn't mind Imperium having the gun, yeah. The concern with my other nulltowns is that I think they'd be some degree of hot garbage with the gun, but Imperium I feel would be pretty excellent with it. Probably the three players I trust to do /literally anything/ useful with the gun as of right now are Imperium, unwnd and Duchess, so if that's a strong part of your consideration, that's where I'd place bullets. I strongly think unwnd is town though, so maybe not there so much.
I'm having major doubts at the moment.
Ready?
1: I weakly townread Albert based on approach, so they inherited a bit of that.
2: Because they're one of the few players whose take on the gamestate I actually agree with at all right now. Almost everyone else is talking so differently that it feels like they're playing some totally different game. I mostly see where you and unwnd are coming from, and anyone else currently in play may as well be on another planet at the moment.
This does mean I'm technically at risk of being pocketed by you, unwnd or both here, but I need to have some stable baseline to parse the game with before I can try to get rid of my garbage bullshit reads and replace them with actually useful ones. Which is why I keep reaching out to other players like Duchess and Wheme for input on things: I'm trying to connect myself to the game that /they/ are seeing being played, because I'm clearly not in the same one, and it means my reads are garbage.
I think it's decentIn post 1678, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Also, I recognized this flaw in myself during Death Curse -- I have a bias towards townreading replacement players for at least one dayphase. I do wonder what could have possibly made me come to this conclusion.
And with that data now before me, I'll float my interim solve here: unwnd, HUB, Dunn, Wheme.
I want to see what other have to say about this.
PEDIT: Oh jeez that's a hell of a list if I'm right, two buddies in town and one in null.
In post 1032, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:To rephrase that last part a bit more bluntly, if Cakez is actually town in this interaction and Imperium is scum in it, then the gamestate is very likely to be scum-controlled, and information is being spun to keep town from finding each other. In such a case, I'm inadvertently on the scum side of things, and need to very rapidly figure out how I got here and who I was taking cues from.
In post 1685, SirCakez wrote:I think it's decent
Not convinced on Unwnd and NM should be in there somewhere
In post 1686, Happy Unbirthday Boon wrote:I still think Cakez is scum for trying to kill m
In post 1688, SirCakez wrote:Like his scumread on me is basically just explained as OMGUS
Krazy is not this bad
Why would I listen to an evaluation from a player who I strongly SR and who immediately attacked me when they entered?In post 1691, Happy Unbirthday Boon wrote:In post 1688, SirCakez wrote:Like his scumread on me is basically just explained as OMGUS
Krazy is not this bad
I literally just explained why you could be town and that I could be wrong on you, but you continue to kinda tunnel me while ignoring my evaluation of you which seems an awful lot more like what you'd do as scum than as town
Well you're trying to sell the argument that my read on you is superficial, I gave an indication that I would shoot you on replacing in which... isn't even an OMGUS, but more an indication of intent to help me enter the game. You tried to get town to suicide on me, so if I had the gun I'd shoot you. In this game that's potato level play, but against people who *can* open wolf, it's a viable strategy.In post 1693, SirCakez wrote:Why would I listen to an evaluation from a player who I strongly SR and who immediately attacked me when they entered?
Scum have been on my ass all game.
I didn't say you were OMGUSing me? I said you were trying to get me targeted with a shot, not really the same thingIn post 1696, SirCakez wrote:I don't OMGUS as scum just look Xeno 2