Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Traitors suck and would be miserable to play in team mafia so... probably not?

But is there the possibility that there is a traitor?

[Something_Smart]

I think it's possible.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That's quite an extraordinary leap of logic. Can you back up a few steps, say what the other possible explanations for this that you considered were, and explain why you think they are unlikely?

like she's confirmed scum to you if you're town

you're confirmed scum to her if she's town.

neither of you seem to care very much about casing/pushing/slamming the other one out the door.

like if this was S v T I'd think both of you would like give a shit?

It feels like neither of you really care about who wins, the posting to start and follow thru is very soft - there is no sense of urgency.

It's like you both know that one of you will die today and you don't much care which one it is - which makes sense if you are both scum here.

Does it not make sense for two scum to both go to the same person they kill? It leaves less of a trace for the town and in the case of a watcher as we have here, could set up the other player as a deepwolf to go endgame.

and like Tweetie's claim being the same fruit as Kanna's fruit is just like lol what?

Its almost like she's ok going down to set you up to endgame.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and Cake knows exactly what I'm talking about too so its weird to me he hasn't pointed out how this game state feels like S/S

This is like the same thing as the Bulge v Lilith 1v1 in Temple of Legends where they were gladiated and neither of them wanted to push the other one or cared for making a case that the other one was scum.

Spoiler Alert: They were both scum.

[Something_Smart]

neither of you seem to care very much about casing/pushing/slamming the other one out the door.

Well you seem to be drawing a connection between me casing MT and MT getting executed that just isn't there. The case speaks for itself, and I'm clearly not feeling any pressure given how I've reacted to the requests to claim.

MT is probably not pushing as hard as she ought to be if she were town, yeah. Maybe she doesn't feel that her situation is as dire as I feel it is, or maybe she's just given up.

I am a lazy ass and will push MT only as hard as I need to, and no harder. And I'm not especially good at making cases, so I'd like for that amount to be zero.

[Gypyx]

the scum team is MT/SS/Cakeboi

This is a pretty hot take.

Who all hasn't shared their peach flavor?

i'm a crestheaven vendor or something

[Something_Smart]

And honestly, there's nothing I can do that you guys can't also do. My case on MT is:
- The watcher saw me and her visit the person who died
- I'm not scum
- Therefore she is.

If you want me to comb through her posts looking for things that might be usable to argue she's scum, well... you can do that too. And probably better than me, because you aren't biased.

[Gypyx]

That's quite an extraordinary leap of logic. Can you back up a few steps, say what the other possible explanations for this that you considered were, and explain why you think they are unlikely?

like she's confirmed scum to you if you're town

you're confirmed scum to her if she's town.

neither of you seem to care very much about casing/pushing/slamming the other one out the door.

like if this was S v T I'd think both of you would like give a shit?

It feels like neither of you really care about who wins, the posting to start and follow thru is very soft - there is no sense of urgency.

It's like you both know that one of you will die today and you don't much care which one it is - which makes sense if you are both scum here.

Does it not make sense for two scum to both go to the same person they kill? It leaves less of a trace for the town and in the case of a watcher as we have here, could set up the other player as a deepwolf to go endgame.

and like Tweetie's claim being the same fruit as Kanna's fruit is just like lol what?

Its almost like she's ok going down to set you up to endgame.

actually that's very interesting

would scum really bet on there being a watcher or stuff and double risk being screwed by tracker?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wtf do you mean im not biased

if you're town

you know she is scum

that should motivate you MORE TO DESTROY HER COMPLETELY

not a "well im biased so im not even going to bother"

like i dont even understand how a townie in a SvT gladiate can be like

"i'm biased so i cant make a case"

like seriously whaT!??!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

And honestly, there's nothing I can do that you guys can't also do. My case on MT is:
- The watcher saw me and her visit the person who died
- I'm not scum
- Therefore she is.

[Cheetory6]

Who all hasn't shared their peach flavor?

BELLE OF GA

if I have to give a binary answer then cakez isn't mafia.

probably not reading today.

[Noraa]

S_S says cake is town.
Gamma says cake is scum.

I need more answers to this question.

the scum team is MT/SS/Cakeboi

MT/SS are scum/scum because neither of them are very enthusiastic about casing each other when they're in a 1v1 gladiate and its probly cuz they're apathetic scumbags who don't really care who dies between the two of them.

I think it's pretty funny Cakeboy is trying to chain Maria into the next elim after Tweetie flips scum so he's probly informed Tweetie flips red here.

Kill them all with fire.

Oh wait we don't do that here. I mean we ask them all to leave politely.

Oh no.
Pooky is scum isn't he.
oh no. oh no.


No, pooky you can't possibly believe this crap right?
I won mafiasunny 1 as scum because of this shit.
Worstie won charas folly as scum because of this.
I nearly won death curse as a scum half because of this

[Noraa]

Ok scum team is probably S_S/Pooky/Kanna/_____

Cake town if Morning town because morning town = pooky scum.

[Something_Smart]

wtf do you mean im not biased

if you're town

you know she is scum

that should motivate you MORE TO DESTROY HER COMPLETELY

Well gee, now that you mention it, I have this dayvig shot...

See what I'm getting at is, it's not that I'm not motivated to destroy her. It's that this is a team game. If my team is having a hard time seeing

why

MT is scum, well, I'm not sure that I can help. I don't know why she's scum! I don't know if she's been scummy this game, and it's going to be harder for me to separate the things that will be convincing from the things that will look like reaching.

I didn't scumread MT before today. I thought her entrance into the thread today was very awkward, but honestly that's about it. I don't know what else you want me to do. Besides that, she hasn't been scummy.

I guess I could repeat "vote MT" every page, if that's what motivation looks like to you

[Jake The Wolfie]

yes or no Jake.

I don't know, and more importantly,

I don't care

.

[SirCakez]

the scum team is MT/SS/Cakeboi

MT/SS are scum/scum because neither of them are very enthusiastic about casing each other when they're in a 1v1 gladiate and its probly cuz they're apathetic scumbags who don't really care who dies between the two of them.

I think it's pretty funny Cakeboy is trying to chain Maria into the next elim after Tweetie flips scum so he's probly informed Tweetie flips red here.

Kill them all with fire.

Oh wait we don't do that here. I mean we ask them all to leave politely.

why do both MT and SS scum visit the same person when they are NKing that person? why vend to someone being killed?

the scum team is MT/SS/Cakeboi

This is a pretty hot take.

Who all hasn't shared their peach flavor?

I have not should I?
I vended to PB last night.

and Cake knows exactly what I'm talking about too so its weird to me he hasn't pointed out how this game state feels like S/S

This is like the same thing as the Bulge v Lilith 1v1 in Temple of Legends where they were gladiated and neither of them wanted to push the other one or cared for making a case that the other one was scum.

Spoiler Alert: They were both scum.

I could see both being scum but rolewise it doesn't make sense why they both visited SPF.

[SirCakez]

Also I understand S_S's reaoning for not wanting to "TOTALLY DESTROY" MT
If you just know someone is scum then everything you post about them will be very conf-biased and won't be too likely to convince anyone of anything

[Gypyx]

@cakez / S_S : does that mean you wouldn't push a red check as a cop? cuz if i understeand your logic that means you have a confirmation bias

[Jake The Wolfie]

@cakez / S_S : does that mean you wouldn't push a red check as a cop? cuz if i understeand your logic that means you have a confirmation bias

Gyphy, I am going to answer this after they do.

[SirCakez]

@cakez / S_S : does that mean you wouldn't push a red check as a cop? cuz if i understeand your logic that means you have a confirmation bias

Define pushing

[Zaiden]

the scum team is MT/SS/Cakeboi

MT/SS are scum/scum because neither of them are very enthusiastic about casing each other when they're in a 1v1 gladiate and its probly cuz they're apathetic scumbags who don't really care who dies between the two of them.

I think it's pretty funny Cakeboy is trying to chain Maria into the next elim after Tweetie flips scum so he's probly informed Tweetie flips red here.

Kill them all with fire.

Oh wait we don't do that here. I mean we ask them all to leave politely.

why do both MT and SS scum visit the same person when they are NKing that person? why vend to someone being killed?

Why vend to someone being killed? Because you don't believe there's a tracker in the game and the fruit you vend goes to the grave instead of ending up in town's hands in the event peaches have a mechanical purpose.

[Zaiden]

Whoops, I misquoted that but basically scum could have anticipated tracker but might not have anticipated they would check SPF on N1. And they would try to bury fruit with their target/prevent town acquiring more fruit. So in that sense I could see how it's SvS. Also Pooky makes a good point they should be attacking each other since Pink Ball literally confirms one or the other is scum - unless Nora's right about an untrackable Ninja being in the game.

What is the likelihood of ninja existing?

[Morning Tweet]

Your expectations for me to suddenly be able to case SS because I know he's scum are very unrealistic. he has put it into words a lot better than I did -- i dont suddenly know why he's scum and i dont know if i can get enough motivation to create what is essentially a guesswork/forced case on him. If that makes you more likely to believe me then maybe but it really shouldnt at all

I believe as far as i got on SS was that Kanna's read on him could go either way or maybe slightly town since he was around 3rd in her suspicions

i am truly sorry i haven't been able to find the motivation when i do have time, this is still winning even if I die first too which doesnt help. Your Chara's Folly analogy doesnt work when there are hardly any stakes and i am not invested into the game

[Morning Tweet]

Scum having both a ninja and a strongman would surprise me combined with the watcher being gated. I don't think that is likely and if it is possible i dont think we can be blamed

[SirCakez]

Whoops, I misquoted that but basically scum could have anticipated tracker but might not have anticipated they would check SPF on N1. And they would try to bury fruit with their target/prevent town acquiring more fruit. So in that sense I could see how it's SvS. Also Pooky makes a good point they should be attacking each other since Pink Ball literally confirms one or the other is scum - unless Nora's right about an untrackable Ninja being in the game.

What is the likelihood of ninja existing?

but why not just vend fruit to each other?