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[Flavor Leaf]

The political reads

the overreactions

the poor reasoning to town read TGP

the constant misrep and discredit of why they are being pushed.

Their lack of acknowledgement to multiple team options

they're setting up of misfades.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nancy, how many times have you seen me be right when nobody else believes it, and you specifically are thinking the incorrect thing.

This is one of those times

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’re just a broken record FL. I don’t care for your psywar. Learn how to play mafia like a civilized human being.

[Flavor Leaf]

titus says that Norwee and FL should never be voted unless Akarin flips town

i'm inclined to agree

I'm literally never in a million years making a decision in a mafia game based off of

Titus VCA which in my opinion has never been used to draw correct conclusions in the history of ever

.

I respect Titus's opinion

, but that kind of vagueness is pinging my scumdar hard.

ok

@Pine I don’t see why what Titus said was scummy? I however don’t really see a Norwee/Akarin connection in any case. Him saying no one should listen to the players voting him post-flip pings town to me, even if it is kind’ve excessive.

why dont you see what Titus said was scummy?

Mistyx, if a Norwegian partner, has all the reason in the world to try to have Norwegian/FL tomorrow rather than today, Nancy

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re just a broken record FL. I don’t care for your psywar. Learn how to play mafia like a civilized human being.

this is another discredit attempt to try to push away the reasons being pushed against them.

There are multiple chains of reasons why Norwegian is scum here.

Nancy, you are wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Repeating the same lie a thousand times to make it sound true.

[Flavor Leaf]

I town read both Pine and Ramcius, and believe this is an all town wagon on Norwegian.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Ico - you started to see why Norwegian could be scum the last time we talked, please, look more into that

[Flavor Leaf]

Votecount 1.10

zoraster(4)

~ NorwegianboyEE(80), Nancy Drew 39(110), TheGoldenParadox(29), thestatusquo(96)

!

@Nancy scum is 100% in this

[Flavor Leaf]

meaning Norwegian, TGP, Status never are all town here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Votecount 1.10

zoraster(4)

~ NorwegianboyEE(80), Nancy Drew 39(110), TheGoldenParadox(29), thestatusquo(96)

!

@Nancy scum is 100% in this

Scum typically sheep wagons in my experience.
TGP could be scum yes, why would i be?

[Flavor Leaf]

Norwegian has gone ahead and poorly claimed all the other players as town there.

I agree with Nancy town, Norwegian came into Day 2 with a terrible reasoning to town read TGP, especially after VCA

[Flavor Leaf]

After re-thinking things yesterday with my team i have reasons to believe TGP’s claim is more likely town.
First of all, their play makes more sense as town than scum due to key points from Shirou.
And JJH told me their claim makes sense with their flavour. And setup wise it’s more likely a town claim too.

[Flavor Leaf]

zoraster

(7) ~ thestatusquo(194), NorwegianboyEE(190), Mistyx(70),

BBMolla

(80), Nancy Drew 39(316), Iconeum(207), Flavor Leaf(217) -- HAMMER
Akarin(3) ~ Ramcius(63), Pine(25),

zoraster

(26)

BBMolla

(2) ~ TheGoldenParadox(45), Akarin(38)
Ramcius(1) ~ Dr Easy Bake(20)

zoraster

(4) ~ thestatusquo(171), NorwegianboyEE(132), Mistyx(62),

BBMolla

(73)
Akarin(4) ~ Flavor Leaf(173), Ramcius(53), Iconeum(105), Pine(24)

BBMolla

(3) ~ TheGoldenParadox(43),

zoraster

(25), Akarin(23)
TheGoldenParadox(1) ~ Nancy Drew 39(217)
Ramcius(1) ~ Dr Easy Bake(18)

Akarin wagon at it's peak.

VOTE: Akarin

This will be more informative.

then Norwegian immediately tries to avoid VCA with the Zoraster wagon and goes straight to Akarin

[NorwegianboyEE]

meaning Norwegian, TGP, Status never are all town here.

Then why are you so uncomfortable with wagoning TGP? Or looking at Status?

[Akarin]

@Nancy scum is 100% in this

So I haven't actually read if FL said anything more about it after the last time, but I still don't agree with this.

The end of D1 wagons were so shruggy, I don't see how reading them as planned scum moves is the likely explaination.

My whole reason for not liking the Zor wagon at the end was the 2 town wagons apathy of the gamestate.

How is this something you're

sure

about to this extent, FL?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, no, I believe 1 lurker flip is enough for now

VOTE: TGP

Why TGP?

@Ramcius

Yeah, no, I believe 1 lurker flip is enough for now

VOTE: TGP

alright, this is the post that makes me believe the earlier fight between TSQ and Ramcius was TvS. Saying "1 lurker flip is enough" attempts to take attention off of people who should have attention on them, and makes it easy to defend people who aren't particularly defensible. i'm not a fan of it at all, and when i've seen it i think it's done far more often from scum trying to take the heat off of their buddies than town genuinely being against flipping lurkers.

VOTE: akarin couple reasons i'm voting akarin instead of ramcius right now - first, a scum flip from her incriminates ramcius far more than vice versa largely because of this post. second, i haven't seen much in the way of town posts from akarin, and i think ramcius will be sorted by other flips eventually in a way that akarin will not because of lack of interactions.

TGP sheeps Norwegian onto Akarin after Ramcius push's Norwegian, and Norwegian questions it, even though they just did VCA which should make TGP at least suspicious.

Norwegian's read on TGP is 100% fabricated.

Norwegian/TGP is a high scum team equity, but it's not set in stone it's both.

It could be Norwegian town, TGP scum sheeping the person to not get more pressure from Ramcius. I wanna check out Ramcius vs Norwegian in a bit because it happens right after this.

Norwegian also actively avoided multiple situations and team groups where the possibility of Norwegian/Akarin/Flavor Leaf all town, something I thought was a decent possibility if I was wrong with Norwegian and Akarin was lhf misfade. I fully believe Akarin is a lhf misfade and should not be faded today. Norwegian is setting up a situation to ignore getting pressure on themselves while still being able to argue with me. Akarin is the town in my bottom pool, meaning one of the others contain scum. bottom pool contained 1 scum, 2 scum max.

The posts they are making right now should prove to everyone that they are the ones trying to keep this fight going. It lets them hide.

[Akarin]

This is interesting. @Akarin, how do you get from pretty much locktowning me to needing to reevaluate?

Because it seemed like Ico was making a good point from something I hadn't taken the time to check and see if it was true. And I like to reevaluate everyone, I don't like locking people in for the whole game based on early stuff.

If it makes you feel better I still have you as pretty much locktown.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok FL actually is arguing in a less toxic way. What do you know.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Nancy scum is 100% in this

So I haven't actually read if FL said anything more about it after the last time, but I still don't agree with this.

The end of D1 wagons were so shruggy, I don't see how reading them as planned scum moves is the likely explaination.

My whole reason for not liking the Zor wagon at the end was the 2 town wagons apathy of the gamestate.

How is this something you're

sure

about to this extent, FL?

it's based on your wagon as well.

And I get this all the time, Nancy can confirm she has seen me say this exact thing as town where nobody believes me and I end up being correct and she ended up being 100% wrong. happens more often than you think.


That wagon, if scum wasn't on it, does NOT gain momentum without scum taking action.

I am a premiere scum player, I know the inner workings of how to make a gamestate work completely to my liking, which should be obvious this is not it here, but it allowed me to learn and physically feel where the gamestate was being taken advantage of, and I can visibly show people like I have with VCA. That had a lot of energy the beginning of the Zoraster wagon that does not happen if it was all town.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is interesting. @Akarin, how do you get from pretty much locktowning me to needing to reevaluate?

Because it seemed like Ico was making a good point from something I hadn't taken the time to check and see if it was true. And I like to reevaluate everyone, I don't like locking people in for the whole game based on early stuff.

If it makes you feel better I still have you as pretty much locktown.

I'm townreading Nancy as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

Akarin has absolutely no reason to question me here as scum. I am the only one defending her.

[Flavor Leaf]

pine/ramcius are too, but more indirectly

[Dr Easy Bake]

Nah Pine, Norwee Town

So you think it’s TvT then? Can you explain your confidence on town!Pine? Do you have a read on FL yet or no?

I don’t understand why Norwee is the counterwagon to Akarin?

That post was talking to Pine since they had just came at Norwee. I could go either way with Pine honestly.
I think some people just don’t like Norwee, that’s why they’re the counter.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright i think FL has improved significantly for these actual reasons to suspect me.
It’s wrong, but it proves he actually might believe what he’s saying.
VOTE: Pine