Yeah i think we can all keep arguing about FL tommorow, but Pine has just not been playing town. He's kept his same stance on me since like day 1? His reads don't even evolve even giving the flips. It's pretty clear to me he is both lying about his claim and doesn't care about the game.In post 3648, Thestatusquo wrote:For me today just boils down to this: I think JK makes much more sense as a scum claim than a town claim in this game and I think pine has done very little to indicate he's town.
I don't like his response of "THINK I'M THE ONLY TOWN PROTECTIVE POWER" as if that clears him when a) It's not true there are two town claimed/flipped roles with protective abilities and b) setups get run without town protective all the time.
Hell, akarin just finished playing a game I ran without a real town protective role.
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But then killing molla? How isn’t that suicide? Like I suppose it’s possible but it’s just such terrible play for him.In post 3637, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Crumbing a future JOAT claim when you knew there was likely 1 JOAT (Zoraster) and a second one (Molla) was not confirmed until he crumbed himself. Does make sense for scum!FL to do.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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I really don't care if it's terrible play for him, he can still be scum regardless.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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You're literally making the argument that it isn't suicide right now by saying it clears him. Not so terrible a play if it clears you.In post 3652, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
But then killing molla? How isn’t that suicide? Like I suppose it’s possible but it’s just such terrible play for him.In post 3637, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Crumbing a future JOAT claim when you knew there was likely 1 JOAT (Zoraster) and a second one (Molla) was not confirmed until he crumbed himself. Does make sense for scum!FL to do.
WIFOM. Come on, Nancy, you have to know this is all WIFOM.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Can I just say, Ireallythink we should end our last day with eliminating Misty first and letting her vig the consensus scum read?
Misty is actually a pretty high town read for me at this point, but I initially didn't like her interactions with DEB and I don't want this to be the kind of claim scum can get away with gambitting and then never getting called on.
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Yes, which is why I didn’t like Pine not agreeing to jk you. How does that make any sense? Both Pine and FL should obviously be on Misty/Akarin tonight but only Pine has refused that.In post 3651, Akarin wrote:My goal is the same as TSQ's here, I don't want people clearing FL for reasons I think are wrong.
And I think I've got a decent shot at being dead tomorrow (because I don't trust the claims.)**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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I don't think doing it on the last day if we end up there is an inherently bad idea. But not today obviously.In post 3655, Akarin wrote:Can I just say, Ireallythink we should end our last day with eliminating Misty first and letting her vig the consensus scum read?
Misty is actually a pretty high town read for me at this point, but I initially didn't like her interactions with DEB and I don't want this to be the kind of claim scum can get away with gambitting and then never getting called on.
Maybe it's paranoid, but if we do it last there's no cost and it removes one possible losing scenario.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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I'm mind melding with akarin a bit here. I also think it's just correct play wrt a claimed vengeful generally speaking.In post 3655, Akarin wrote:Can I just say, Ireallythink we should end our last day with eliminating Misty first and letting her vig the consensus scum read?
Misty is actually a pretty high town read for me at this point, but I initially didn't like her interactions with DEB and I don't want this to be the kind of claim scum can get away with gambitting and then never getting called on.
Maybe it's paranoid, but if we do it last there's no cost and it removes one possible losing scenario.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Nancy: One of the JOATs had a Watcher, you woludn't want to leave Zor alive as scum under any circumstances. Would you really want to take a risk on a 2nd JOAT being relatively benign?In post 3652, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:But then killing molla? How isn’t that suicide? Like I suppose it’s possible but it’s just such terrible play for him.
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Well we’ll see.In post 3654, Thestatusquo wrote:
You're literally making the argument that it isn't suicide right now by saying it clears him. Not so terrible a play if it clears you.In post 3652, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
But then killing molla? How isn’t that suicide? Like I suppose it’s possible but it’s just such terrible play for him.In post 3637, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Crumbing a future JOAT claim when you knew there was likely 1 JOAT (Zoraster) and a second one (Molla) was not confirmed until he crumbed himself. Does make sense for scum!FL to do.
WIFOM. Come on, Nancy, you have to know this is all WIFOM.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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I think if anyone was scum here with the information that Molla is Joat they would shoot Molla. I don't see why on earth not.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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I mean, it's WIFOM regardless of the particular facts in this case. That's kind of what WIFOM means.In post 3660, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Well we’ll see.In post 3654, Thestatusquo wrote:
You're literally making the argument that it isn't suicide right now by saying it clears him. Not so terrible a play if it clears you.In post 3652, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
But then killing molla? How isn’t that suicide? Like I suppose it’s possible but it’s just such terrible play for him.In post 3637, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Crumbing a future JOAT claim when you knew there was likely 1 JOAT (Zoraster) and a second one (Molla) was not confirmed until he crumbed himself. Does make sense for scum!FL to do.
WIFOM. Come on, Nancy, you have to know this is all WIFOM.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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That’s true.In post 3659, Akarin wrote:
Nancy: One of the JOATs had a Watcher, you woludn't want to leave Zor alive as scum under any circumstances. Would you really want to take a risk on a 2nd JOAT being relatively benign?In post 3652, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:But then killing molla? How isn’t that suicide? Like I suppose it’s possible but it’s just such terrible play for him.
We aren't assuming scum know the setup, right?**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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Wondering about this.In post 706, Flavor Leaf wrote:And my role fits my flavor.
Doc, Commuter, Follower
It fits commuter very well, but I don't see the rest of it, esp. Doc, which is the most powerful part.-
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I guess I agree that FL was kind of locked into the JOAT claim. I don't think it's that unlikely that we'd go back and look at this after claims if FL was still on the table (and FL was always going to get some attention if still alive at endgame.)
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If FL is scum, than I don’t want to be the idiot who defends him here.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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In post 897, Flavor Leaf wrote:I still don't love Zoraster, but he seems to be borderline obsessed with bringing me up, so that could be one reason. I still think there's a chance they're scum.In post 898, Flavor Leaf wrote:their big post has a lot of IioA, there's some stuff in there I like, but I don't think it's all that spicy. Let them live for the day, fine.
I'm not sure if FL is scum, but if claims weren't in the mix, it would be him, Misty, and Pine for me. And Pine and FL's interactions lookIn post 1052, Flavor Leaf wrote:I'm generally less concerned about DEB because as the game progresses, I don't think I'd ever be able to not read him correctly.sobad to me.
And I really think all the reasons people are listing why that can't be true are just incorrect.
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Concurrent scum eliminations should be
Pine -> FL
And if one of those are town (which i don't think, but assuming they are. Maybe take another look at Ramcius or TSQ. Everyone else are townie to me. Maybe have MistyX use his vengekill if we're in ElO. That's it.)Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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