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In post 57, DeasVail wrote:Why did you make the vote then? Have you read Augustus’ posts?In post 58, Adorable wrote:
This was my rvs vote and yes I read them. I also saw that he gave a town read so fast and how is he able to have a town read so fast when it hasn't been longer than 24 hours.In post 57, DeasVail wrote:Why did you make the vote then? Have you read Augustus’ posts?
fucking lolIn post 59, DeasVail wrote:So it was based on something then?green shirt thursdays- xRECKONERx
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noIn post 75, Aristophanes wrote:
I, for one, welcome the slower paced game and hope it continues.In post 70, Augustus Caesar wrote:I think this might be the least active game
Augustus's pal Hectic was dealt the same treatment last year. I was looking forward to the hyperposting this time round tbh
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why am i 'off' ariIn post 103, Aristophanes wrote:I found then NAI thus far tbh
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I mean Adorable.
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this 100%In post 108, xofelf wrote:Gotta say the multiposting thing is going to kill me. It just feels like noise for the sake of noise and my eyes kinda glaze over as I read it. I also can't keep track of which is which, and who they're supposed to be underneath the alt, which is making that slot so much harder to read.(I also don't remember if it was just one of the public alts hyperposting or both, so that's a bad sign)
I am liking DV so far. The questions do feel like they're coming from a genuine place. I guess the term is solving? But it just feels like good reaction poking and I'm here for it.
Ari my love, why do you feel funny to me? There's this tone underneath your posts that don't quite feel genuine and more performative. Idk if it's AI, I just know unlike usual, reading your posts made my nose wrinkle up.
That's what I got for now.
the stupid fucking open alts rule is very bad and dumb and creates more legwork for people to open a tab and have to crossreference who is saying what bc of the alts, the spamposting is ridiculous (out of the first ~100 posts nearly HALF of them are solely from ari + hectic), and the forced shtick of posting in character with images at the end of every post or whatever the hell hectic is doing is sapping my will to live
but i signed up to play team mafia, so i will play team mafia. i am just not going to engage with hectic's shtick for my own sanity. if my team wants to read it they can and fill me in. actually ill ask them to do that right now.
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i'm not doing extra work to "take out" the flourishes and get to the meat of the content, i have three other games to keep up with as part of team mafia at the same time, and i'm starting a new job next week. it's a cost benefit analysis. i find the fact people are allowed to play on alts extremely annoying, i find the posting quirk extremely annoying -- and there's a high ratio of annoying quirky posts compared to the rest of the game. if hectic wants me to read posts they could just post normally instead of wrapping it behind a layer of alt account shtick? why is it on me to accommodate hectic's posting?
i'm disregarding the slot for my own ability to keep up with and read the game and not be miserable. i've asked my team to help me read hectic's posts. if hectic wants to drop the style ill read and respond to what they have to say.
as for your point about adorable, taken a diff way, it's "well adorable's meta is to be strange and an easy vote". i know nothing about adorable. i've never seen them before. and meta is trash anyway. i voted adorable bc of their exchange with DV, which i already said. that's not "strange". that's a straight up lie. adorable claimed to vote on nothing just pure RVS... then upon being questioned explained they did ACTUALLY vote for a reason... and then upon being pushed further by DV, completely ignored DV and jumped onto other things. that's scummy. idgaf about their meta.green shirt thursdays- xRECKONERx
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i'm probably being overly hostile ab this bc i heavily disagree w/ the acceptance of open alts and am annoyed this allowance was made after the fact by the Team Mafia listmods so my act of rebellion is to just not read the shit i dont want to read ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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you literally posted replying to other people and not DVIn post 122, Adorable wrote:I didn't like the way how you just straight up voted me saying I dipped and without even engaging with me. I went to bed after I responded to DV and don't expect me to respond right away because I'm not active.
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i honestly don't knowIn post 120, The Bulge wrote:@reck when you play scum and feel like a certain level of ~rage~ would be appropriate, do you find you are more likely to fake the emotion to fit the play, or do you prefer to allow real emotions to dictate your posting for a more natural effect?
my last scum game was mafiasunny and i didn't get that upset ab anything
before that i was scum with UT in the legends of the hidden temple game however long ago and alisae wanted to stage an entire AtE rage fight between the two of us so i did it
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fwiw i asked the team to read hectic for me and keely came away with sort of a lean town? didn't like the early stuff bc throwing out a lot of townleans is easy and safe for scum to do, felt like the vote on me was slightly opportunistic bc i was making the most noise and therefore the "easy" safe vote to get away with, but thought the reconsideration of the read via hopkirk's thoughts read as genuine and townie, so we're at null-town i guess if im taking cheeto at face valuegreen shirt thursdays- xRECKONERx
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this is bad though bc adorable is acting self-contradictory and i think that's town or scum indicative! i think scum, especially those unfamiliar or newer, will have a harder time staying logically consistentIn post 220, petapan wrote:okay.
maybe im overthinking it but dont think scum acts so blatantly self-contradictory early game and the responses seem to come from some sort of headspace where this all makes sense
they'll blurt out whatever
adorable just seems to act in a weird manner and has now stumbled over herself to re-explain why she's so contradictory
like, the idea is... "i voted someone, said it was based on nothing when asked, then retroactively gave a justification for it... then got called out on giving a retroactive justification for it, and took 100 posts to get coached by my scumteam on how to respond to it"
idk man i feel like i see people in the current site meta trying to trip over themselves to explain how scum dumbfuckery is actually to dumbfuck to be scum and the fact of the matter is uh it gets caught like that for a reasongreen shirt thursdays- xRECKONERx
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ok like LITERALLY ok
last game I was scum my whole idea was to try to claim as fucking dumb as possible because people would eat it up as being WAY TOO SUSPICIOUS to be suspicious
and when i was caught red handed killing the dead townie the fact that i pretended to be just absolutely fucking unaware and stupid let me survive longer than it should have
i wanted to do this BECAUSE people tend to go all "iamverysmart" and ignore occam's razor nowadays
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this is probably fine, we're different people, but it doesn't mean my lived experience is gonna let me let people walk away from being internally inconsistentIn post 228, petapan wrote:well yes but you're you and adorable is not you and right now it feels more like the sort of trivial weirdness scum would harp on over an actual scumslip
sometimes the simple answer of "they're scum and fucked up" is actually the answer (it's more common than you think)
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also stepping back, the larger point of my story ab what i did last time was pointing out i believe there's a site meta problem not "here's what i would do as scum"In post 228, petapan wrote:well yes but you're you and adorable is not you and right now it feels more like the sort of trivial weirdness scum would harp on over an actual scumslip
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why are you scum reading meIn post 264, Adorable wrote:Everything Hectic has said about Reckoner so far I agree with and I have been scum reading Reck.
I also don't like how xof said Summer and I are together and xof said Summer did an awful alot of defending me. From what I remember, scum would never defend each other because that just makes the other scum look bad when one of them flips. I'm scum reading both Reckoner and xof and I am suspicious that scum are trying to push an elimination on me day 1.
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i have no idea what you're sayingIn post 266, Adorable wrote:
On b) you said two buddies go hard to get pressure off scum so what you're saying here is 2 scum in Hectic, Ari, petapan are scum.In post 239, xRECKONERx wrote:b/c i don't see any universe where
a) two scum white knight the same townie off of such little pressure early d1
b) two buddies go hard to get pressure off of adorable d1 when it's so early
so at most, one of them is scum IMO
I'm curious to hear from Hectic, Ari, and petapan what they have to say about this post.
i am very specifically talking about dv/peta both doubling down pressure on you only to let up. i specifically said "buddies" here as in "if they were buddies with Adorable"
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complaining about spam posting isn't scummy
what do you not like about "adorable refused to answer the question after being caught lying". exactly what's wrong with that, in your eyes?
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ok, i took a beat. i am sorry for getting so inflamed at you, hectic. that wasn't warranted, i think i had a series of things that put me full tilt that day and jumping into the game after being told by the mods "of course alts are ok" really just steamed me pretty good. it was less about the image tags and more about the "i hate evens" type posting restriction shit that you were doing that made it hard to read intent and i think it still does. now every read of you has to add in "is this weird or scummy... or is it just another posting quirk".
i do very much tend to be at odds with high volume posters like yourself, so like, i foresee that continuing if you keep your ratio of posting as high as it is.
anyway, i think you're town. hopkirk talking you down from me feels town, if you were scum, you'd have no reason to back off and could just fake team reads to get more pressure on me. or hell avoid team reads altogether.
as a note, in a game with alts and shit, calling people not by their username is extra confusing.
i don't buy your reasoning that adorable's teammates would let her enter with what she did. i think it's far more likely she entered poorly and got walked back after the fact. that's honestly my entire read on the dv/adorable situation, too, and why i'm keeping my vote there.
i think you raised a good "catch" in DV's 171 saying "I applied pressure because I was bored", but I don't think it's enough to undo the town read I have on him so far
Adorable being your strongest townread at this point feels just insane to me, and you have given like one reason for a townread and that is essentially "teammates wouldn't let scum-Adorable enter the game so brazingly scummy", right? so your argument is... too scummy to be scum? also I don't know that she would be coached so easily by a team watching 3 other games at once. it feels like a lot of hedging bets to explain away what seems to be obviously scummy play by going "well that's so scummy there's no way her teammates would let her do it" and that feels like a lot of a reach to me.
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actually literally where the fuck IS beeboy
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okay first off, ari, latching onto something i think is incredibly scummy and screaming about it is like literally how i think people should play as town until something is satisfactory
you ask what adorable could've done to answer me. i don't know, EXPLAIN the fucking thought process there? give me SOMETHING to show why they would have contradicted themselves? but they didn't, they just kept dodging and ignoring it, even when *multiple* people pointed it out to them. your insistence that adorable is just weird bc meta and insinuation that it somehow insulates them from any prosecution for doing bad scummy shit is like, buck wild to me. HOWEVER, i will say that at the very least, your overzealous defense of adorable has me thinking that she mayactuallybe town here and you're just latching onto an easy white knight target as scum. like literally nobody else has tried to do what you've tried to do, there's been some light push back, but what you're doing here is just over the top. i have zero faith that you actually believe adorable is as town as you pretend to believe.
that being said, agar sent me a multiple page word doc with his thoughts on the game in stream of consciousness bullet point form. from a skim here are some highlights:
- deasvail +town points for jumping in and not fucking around with RVS detecting enough happened to apply pressure
- adorable reading as newbie/inexperienced, not alignment indicative. overall thinks adorable is being set up to be the token defense for scum to earn townpoints, +townpoints for adorable. (im going to yell at him on voice ab this when we get a chance)
- he's feeling vibes with datisi's posts, same page, likes pressuring/questioning of ari. datisi is a hero for post 280.
- #81 from peta where he votes serious is really weird and #83 doesn't provide any follow, +scum points.
- agrees that xof' 108 is goodposting
- dislikes hectic's whole reaction to me in general, esp 112 which feels overly defensive ab a dumb gimmick, and 145 which either misunderstands (at best) or misrepresents (at worse) my objection to the posting style. 256 reads like TMI from hectic, which would point towards adorable being town. also thinks hectic calling ari's takes on me "okay" is bad bc ari just fabricated them out of nowhere, they were based on 4 posts of nothing and he hadnt explained them at all.
- thinks ari is displaying clear thought processes in general with just shitty logic, +town points for ari
- sirius has done nothing, continues to do nothing, compares him to vezokpiraka which almost made spit out my water
- re: beeboy meta is trash and yeeting lurkers in team mafia is also hot garbage
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this? the is the only mention of me i see in your isoIn post 327, Creature wrote:In post 109, xRECKONERx wrote:
this 100%In post 108, xofelf wrote:Gotta say the multiposting thing is going to kill me. It just feels like noise for the sake of noise and my eyes kinda glaze over as I read it. I also can't keep track of which is which, and who they're supposed to be underneath the alt, which is making that slot so much harder to read.(I also don't remember if it was just one of the public alts hyperposting or both, so that's a bad sign)
I am liking DV so far. The questions do feel like they're coming from a genuine place. I guess the term is solving? But it just feels like good reaction poking and I'm here for it.
Ari my love, why do you feel funny to me? There's this tone underneath your posts that don't quite feel genuine and more performative. Idk if it's AI, I just know unlike usual, reading your posts made my nose wrinkle up.
That's what I got for now.
the stupid fucking open alts rule is very bad and dumb and creates more legwork for people to open a tab and have to crossreference who is saying what bc of the alts, the spamposting is ridiculous (out of the first ~100 posts nearly HALF of them are solely from ari + hectic), and the forced shtick of posting in character with images at the end of every post or whatever the hell hectic is doing is sapping my will to live
but i signed up to play team mafia, so i will play team mafia. i am just not going to engage with hectic's shtick for my own sanity. if my team wants to read it they can and fill me in. actually ill ask them to do that right now.
xof's post 100% lines up with my headspace atm so i'm feeling big town energy thereIn post 114, xRECKONERx wrote:i'm not doing extra work to "take out" the flourishes and get to the meat of the content, i have three other games to keep up with as part of team mafia at the same time, and i'm starting a new job next week. it's a cost benefit analysis. i find the fact people are allowed to play on alts extremely annoying, i find the posting quirk extremely annoying -- and there's a high ratio of annoying quirky posts compared to the rest of the game. if hectic wants me to read posts they could just post normally instead of wrapping it behind a layer of alt account shtick? why is it on me to accommodate hectic's posting?
i'm disregarding the slot for my own ability to keep up with and read the game and not be miserable. i've asked my team to help me read hectic's posts. if hectic wants to drop the style ill read and respond to what they have to say.
as for your point about adorable, taken a diff way, it's "well adorable's meta is to be strange and an easy vote". i know nothing about adorable. i've never seen them before. and meta is trash anyway. i voted adorable bc of their exchange with DV, which i already said. that's not "strange". that's a straight up lie. adorable claimed to vote on nothing just pure RVS... then upon being questioned explained they did ACTUALLY vote for a reason... and then upon being pushed further by DV, completely ignored DV and jumped onto other things. that's scummy. idgaf about their meta.
I don't think this is fake, but it feels like something scum are more likely to post.In post 115, xRECKONERx wrote:i'm probably being overly hostile ab this bc i heavily disagree w/ the acceptance of open alts and am annoyed this allowance was made after the fact by the Team Mafia listmods so my act of rebellion is to just not read the shit i dont want to read ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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so the answer is "yes just this one post" okay just making sure
i can't respond to "this feels like XXXX" because i can't change that your feeling is wrong
the "reck got mad" narrative has also been litigated and relitigated like several times since you developed that read? so like, are you just not reading the rest of the game, do you have zero comments on anything, are you not concerned with trying to evolve reads or engage others about them?
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beeboy seems to just not be here at all, it isn't like he's posting but staying in the shadows, it seems better to let the mods deal with the inactivity in this game. If he was actively lurking I'd agree with you, but he's not, he'll just wind up getting replaced at thi spointIn post 438, Adorable wrote:beeboy has not been participating which is suspicious. I am currently leaning town on Hectic, DV, Reckoner, Aristophanes, Datisi, and Summer. I have 6 players I am town reading which makes me think scum are somewhere hidden in the players I am not town reading.green shirt thursdays- xRECKONERx
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In post 449, Adorable wrote:
On #345 she defended me and why would scum want to defend me when I could have been a good push for scum to eliminate. On #348 she showed a bit of a paranoia on Hectic who could be pocketing her which looked townie from her, on #417 she talks to Datisi being fearful about him being the deepwolf and I don't think scum would want to approach Datisi like, #418 looks real to me.In post 448, petapan wrote:...what about them?
can you reconcile these two posts? In one, you say you've been paranoid of people defending you bc they might be scum. In the other, you say someone defended you so they must be town for defending you because scum would push you.In post 429, Adorable wrote:
I actually really like this post. I have been really suspicious that there are at least 1 or 2 scum voting me and I had Reckoner as my scum read. 2 days ago midwaybear says he thinks Reckoner is town and he also thinks I'm getting pocketed by scum but I have been disagreeing with him. I see that Reckoner is also having the same problems as me since he thinks I'm scum but one of his team mate thinks I'm town who's getting pocketed by scum. I'm now starting to think Reckoner is town just after seeing this post.In post 404, xRECKONERx wrote:okay first off, ari, latching onto something i think is incredibly scummy and screaming about it is like literally how i think people should play as town until something is satisfactory
you ask what adorable could've done to answer me. i don't know, EXPLAIN the fucking thought process there? give me SOMETHING to show why they would have contradicted themselves? but they didn't, they just kept dodging and ignoring it, even when *multiple* people pointed it out to them. your insistence that adorable is just weird bc meta and insinuation that it somehow insulates them from any prosecution for doing bad scummy shit is like, buck wild to me. HOWEVER, i will say that at the very least, your overzealous defense of adorable has me thinking that she mayactuallybe town here and you're just latching onto an easy white knight target as scum. like literally nobody else has tried to do what you've tried to do, there's been some light push back, but what you're doing here is just over the top. i have zero faith that you actually believe adorable is as town as you pretend to believe.
that being said, agar sent me a multiple page word doc with his thoughts on the game in stream of consciousness bullet point form. from a skim here are some highlights:
- deasvail +town points for jumping in and not fucking around with RVS detecting enough happened to apply pressure
- adorable reading as newbie/inexperienced, not alignment indicative. overall thinks adorable is being set up to be the token defense for scum to earn townpoints, +townpoints for adorable. (im going to yell at him on voice ab this when we get a chance)
- he's feeling vibes with datisi's posts, same page, likes pressuring/questioning of ari. datisi is a hero for post 280.
- #81 from peta where he votes serious is really weird and #83 doesn't provide any follow, +scum points.
- agrees that xof' 108 is goodposting
- dislikes hectic's whole reaction to me in general, esp 112 which feels overly defensive ab a dumb gimmick, and 145 which either misunderstands (at best) or misrepresents (at worse) my objection to the posting style. 256 reads like TMI from hectic, which would point towards adorable being town. also thinks hectic calling ari's takes on me "okay" is bad bc ari just fabricated them out of nowhere, they were based on 4 posts of nothing and he hadnt explained them at all.
- thinks ari is displaying clear thought processes in general with just shitty logic, +town points for ari
- sirius has done nothing, continues to do nothing, compares him to vezokpiraka which almost made spit out my water
- re: beeboy meta is trash and yeeting lurkers in team mafia is also hot garbage
that's ab it. there's a lot of v inflammatory commentary in here meant only to soothe my ego so ive edited out a lot of it for time. overall, i have some stark disagreements with him (mostly re: adorable & hectic) but the rest of it feels pretty on point.
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VOTE: beeboyIn post 466, beeboy wrote:Is anyone here is there something I should know before I read back?
My team has been yelling at me while I do other things and I am starting to feel bad.
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ah i see -- so your TEAMMATES are paranoid about scum defending you.In post 470, Adorable wrote:I never said I have been paranoid of scum defending me. I was talking about Summer who said she was paranoid of Hectic defending her. midwaybear said earlier he thinks there is scum defending me and I disagreed with him.
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yes it's his strategy based on meta arguments that have been trotted out and im telling you i do not give a single flying shit ab meta
if it's beeboy or mith himself, idgaf, if they're lurking through d1 of a game im going to yeet them into the sun, end of story. had beeboy just been replaced id be patiently waiting but instead he's done just enough to keep doing nothing. which... i suppose there's a conversation that could be had about the tactical nature of replacing out or staying in the game, but let's not do that and instead just yeet the lurkergreen shirt thursdays- xRECKONERx
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or, and hear me out, some of the players here are actual adults with lives and jobs and things to do and don't have time to no-life a mafia game just bc some people think it's fun to hyperpost like an adhd toddler on a speedballIn post 511, Creature wrote:
Meh I hate all this activity complaining. I feel like scum are way way way more likely to complain about thread activity than town because that means more work for them, while town are more likely to complain about lack of activity.In post 108, xofelf wrote:Gotta say the multiposting thing is going to kill me. It just feels like noise for the sake of noise and my eyes kinda glaze over as I read it. I also can't keep track of which is which, and who they're supposed to be underneath the alt, which is making that slot so much harder to read.(I also don't remember if it was just one of the public alts hyperposting or both, so that's a bad sign)
I am liking DV so far. The questions do feel like they're coming from a genuine place. I guess the term is solving? But it just feels like good reaction poking and I'm here for it.
Ari my love, why do you feel funny to me? There's this tone underneath your posts that don't quite feel genuine and more performative. Idk if it's AI, I just know unlike usual, reading your posts made my nose wrinkle up.
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the meta is trash line of reasoning i've held for years and years now bc the second anyone is aware of meta is becomes irrelevant and moreover people on this site, especially the newest generation of players, have zero fucking clue how to use meta as an actual weapon and there's no room for nuanceIn post 528, Augustus Caesar wrote:481 is great
lolIn post 482, xRECKONERx wrote:meta is trash idgaf
but i refuse to let someone lurk through the entire first day of team fucking mafia
I will literally never understand this "meta is trash" propoganga
meta can be misleading, sure, but it's very useful if applied right and with context in mind
I dunno if I'm falling into the trap of reading your over the top style as scummy again, but it's strange you REALLY want people to know you're not sheeping the meta argument but are voting him because he's doing nothing instead, like it's your own violation that you're voting himIn post 484, xRECKONERx wrote:yes it's his strategy based on meta arguments that have been trotted out and im telling you i do not give a single flying shit ab meta
if it's beeboy or mith himself, idgaf, if they're lurking through d1 of a game im going to yeet them into the sun, end of story. had beeboy just been replaced id be patiently waiting but instead he's done just enough to keep doing nothing. which... i suppose there's a conversation that could be had about the tactical nature of replacing out or staying in the game, but let's not do that and instead just yeet the lurker
reads as a bus post basically, and it's one of those busses with only 3 wheels
i REALLY want people to know meta is garbage, and my vote has zero to do with whatever meta shit peta laid out, and has 100% to do with punishing anti-town behavior and play
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oh another note, sirius is probably town.
i do not think scum is very likely to go back and reread and comment on something inane and pointless from post 31, full stop. town is way more likely to do this. i can't imagine what world scum!sirius is like "let me go reread to find things" and lands on THAT being worthwhile to comment on instead of forcing some reads somewhere else, idk.In post 489, Sirius9121 wrote:
its literally some thing for the hanging of criminals.In post 31, Augustus Caesar wrote:They'll be doing all the town and scumhunting for me while I spectate from the gallows. I'm not actually sure what the word gallows means but I'm hoping it's some kind of regal throne or some kind of nice spectating platform. Would be kinda embarrassing if it means something completely different LOL.
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what other slots do you feel aren't contributing along with beeboy?In post 553, Datisi wrote:like, i'm not arguing "hurr durr he did this as town like once so let's never vote him". i'm just saying we shouldn't murder him immediately, especially when there's still other Nothing Slots in the game that i'd like to have Something from.green shirt thursdays- xRECKONERx
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ok it's time to force myself to do a readslist to start engaging with where i subconsciously have people in my mind
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DeasVail: prob my strongest townread, we're mindmelding on everything which tells me he's coming at this genuinely, put himself way out there to figure shit out.
xofelf: low content, but what's there is 100% in line with where my brain is atm. dig it. more of it pls but dig it for now.
Sirius: see earlier post. think this is indicative of town mindset rather than scum.
Datisi: earnest attempts to try and get thoughts/content out of people. only slight tinge is calling me v hectic town v town early, i think scum love to call out TvT, but everything outside of that looks like town effort
Hectic: null, slight tinges here n there on town. the way hectic backed up and listened to the team instead of tunneling me gives me town vibes. some of it might be bc he didn't want to get into a shouting match with me and lose, but i read some careful consideration in his posts. behaviorally, seems town.
Ydrasse: peppering some questions around to poke at diff thoughts/opinions, but none of it is really concrete. it's all wrapped in a sort of cute joking wrapper and that's hard for me to parse. notably voting sirius when nobody else was. in the sort of null lump pile in the middle. true null i guess for this list.
Adorable: I'm struggling w this slot tbh. it's full of constant contradictions. she gets done one second saying A is true, then in her very next post will say A is false instead. it's bizarre. that being said, i think when pushed through the flustered behavior, i'm seeing GLIMPSES of genuine understanding. idk. i dont want to subscribe to too scummy to be scum so i am def keeping my eye out here but it does feel like if adorable is scum, she's gonna let us know in big flashing neon letters eventually.
The Bulge: null, leaning slightly scum. there's not a lot to work with in a 40+ post iso. i found early questioning of me weird, asking for self meta, i'm not sure what the expected result of that was. still overall feel like probably too early to tell but slight scum lean just bc there's a lot of empty reasonless proclamations w/out much to them.
Creature: something pinged me weird ab Creature's "I have rolled town" at the start, seems unnatural. really hate how he just declares things are townie or scummy without any reasoning. esp dislike his read on me going from "not fake but scum might post this" to "reck is a surefire scumread" seemingly with no trajectory, feels like he was waiting to see if there was appetite and when there ws he committed harder. there's not much to analyze here bc despite high volume they're all zero calories.
petapan: agar is much more confident in scum here than i am, but i do think there was something weird about how peta voted sirius early under the guise of actually scumreading him and then just literally never talked about it or followed up. then the way peta inserted himself into me/dv questioning adorable felt like a combo platter of piling on mixed with LAMIST. the pokes and prods at me, ari, adorable, etc have all felt half-assed and i don't feel like have gotten us anywhere. reads all feel noncommittal at this point.
Aristophanes: boy, this is just a weird, gross kinda slot. overeager is ari's brand, but something ab the early RVS joke play here feels hollow and nongenuine. the hop onto me with hectic was awful. "reck is off" isn't anything. i asked for an elaboration and he couldn't give one, he just backpedaled on using the word "off". p much my entire adorable townread epiphany came from looking at how far ari was bending over backwards to defend her. the hop off and hop BACK onto me is gross, and it's all wrapped up in this defense of adorable's contradictory behavior. i don't believe town would have such a boner for shutting downsomeone calling out contradictions. he also has this entire narrative he's putting out there that i was ever attacking or tunneling on hectic when i literally haven't the entire game, he's just trying to use my loud personality to poison the well. it's all scummy as fuck.
beeboy: fuck meta, kill nonparticipants, it's team fucking mafia.
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1. Do you think scum would refuse to defend Adorable? how do you think scum would play around Adorable, if town, and she was being pushed by town? Would they pile on? or would they defend? Or ignore?In post 609, Aristophanes wrote:The hop onto you with hectic had a lot to do with a #fuckit attitude. When you asked about me saying you were off I did not just backpedal and I thought my recognizing that the statement was flawed was fine. I did say other things there yaknow. I stand by my defense of Adorable and I really don't see why town wouldn't do what I did there. Defending someone you know to be odd when they are odd makes really good sense to me. And I did not create a narrative of you tunneling on hectic. That was another falter in phrasing which I addressed. I was saying that as scum I would expect you ho stick on something that you could easily make outrage posts about. I thought it would be Hectic's posts. It ended up being Adorable's. I know you have a loud personality, and I am literally not "poisoning the well" with that fact. Nice try tho.
2. You implied I was going after Hectic, I was not. Walking it back because both me andHectic himselfcalled you out on it after the fact doesn't really do much for me. Like... testing the waters by slightly misrepping what was happening is kinda what scum would do, and if called out on it, I would expect them to backpedal not double down. Because like, what's the other option? "Oops, you got me, I was lying for no reason"? No, you've got to try to talk it down somehow or recontextualize it.
3. You say "nice try tho". What does this mean? You're implying you think I'm "trying" something nefarious. That is clearly implying that I'm scum, yet in the very same post, you've unvoted me and said I'm on the "back burner". This looks very much like you trying to throw shade my way to keep the door open for jumping on me again when it becomes politically convenient for you to do so, while backing off of a wagon that is no longer popular.green shirt thursdays- xRECKONERx
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Because it enables you to feign like you're going to "naturally" progress on a read without actually progressing. It's shorthand for actually doing work and I would expect scum to be performative like that while I would expect town to just get caught up and give a sitrep.In post 609, Aristophanes wrote:Oh,I missed the hop off and back onto you. Can you explain why that's "gross"? Because looking at this, "gross" tells me just about as much as "interesting" told you and I'd like a fuller explanation.green shirt thursdays- xRECKONERx
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I wasn't asking for your play as scum. I was asking for what I did that was scummy -- do you just think ANY push on Adorable is scummy? In a world where you're wrong and Adorable is scum, what does a pro-town push on Adorable-scum look like, and how is it different from a pro-scum push on Adorable town. I'm jumbling my words. I'm basically asking if Adorable is scum, is there a way town could even push that without you jumping down their throat? If they're town, is it inherently anti-town from your POV to even question their contradictions?In post 616, Aristophanes wrote:1. I meam, as scum I dould jump on or shade it until I could. My response would likely have been that Adorable is odd and that I think that's scummy but want to give them a chance to change that. Then as long as the wagon stays viable I'd jump on it. I'm really sure that would have been my plat play there as scum. I mean, a person on the scumteam defending them would be possible too but it probably wouldn't be me.
Then that's my mistake, I was recalling this Hectic post about the situation:2. I did not fucking walk that back. Here I'll quote what I said:
In that post I said I hope you're not raging for the sake of raging giving you an easy slot to tunnel.In post 287, Aristophanes wrote:I'm not sure I understand the question. I think his response to my response probably showed that the raging is genuine, but I hope he's done more since then and isn't just raging for the sake of it so he looks like he's contributing without giving any content and having an easy slot to tunnel.
I was busy yesterday and work 12h today but if I get a lunch break I'll be back to catch up! Otherwise it will be mostly tomorrow, for which I apologize.
Not said: "Reck is tunneling Hectic"
Wow. Tough reading. Definitely some backpedaling needed there. I clarified already that my intent was not to imply you were scumreading Hectic. I never said you were! This isn't a backpedal because it's literally fabricated in your mind!In post 300, Augustus Caesar wrote:Ari is Ari so far. the takes he's given on Reck are okay, not too sure otherwise
however, Reck never expressed a scumread on me, in fact, he's only had me as a varying level of ~town~In post 287, Aristophanes wrote:I'm not sure I understand the question. I think his response to my response probably showed that the raging is genuine, but I hope he's done more since then and isn't just raging for the sake of it so he looks like he's contributing without giving any content and having an
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I was busy yesterday and work 12h today but if I get a lunch break I'll be back to catch up! Otherwise it will be mostly tomorrow, for which I apologize.
what gave you the impression he is or plans to tunnel me?
btw did you like the cute red highlight i used? i thought it'd be on-brand
It means situation report. And you think I'm scum, but you're not pushing me? The fuck? Since when it not pursuing your scumreads a pro-town thing to do?3. Yes, I was implying you're scum. I noted regretting the unvote. I noted that I would literally eliminate you now if I could. Like basically if I had a vig shot I'd rather aim it at you than anyone else atm.
I realize, however, that a tunnel like that could hurt both our reads and the gamestate. I have enough awareness to say to myself "wow, Reck obviously isnt the Elim today. Maybe I should put that aside since it looks like beeboy is the Elim and I don't want to clutter the game at a point when the day is winding to a natural close. Maybe I even said all that in that very post! :O
I literally backed off because it's not going to happen today. I'm not shading you, I'm scumreading youm but I have enough sense not to drag us into a 1v1 right now.
I have no response to 614. I was catching up and recalibrating as I went. Simple.
I don't think I've run into "sitrep" before, should I know what it means?
You followed Hectic's RVS bait onto me, then when I called you out you basically said you were voting me for raging. Since then, you've sorta thrown everything else I did after the fact into the "raging for the sake of raging" category. That isn't the case. You call ME out for continuing to push and prod the Adorable contradictions, but not DV & petapan, who were also pushing for more answers along with me. But you narrow in your questioning onme specifically. Why is that? Is it because I'm too angry as a player? Is it because DV was being widely townread, peta was null, and I had already ruffled feathers in my direction? You're giving other people a pass for a push on aopently, blatant contradiction.As you should!Because pushing and calling out lies/contradictions is like Mafia fucking 101 here, and you're not dumb enough to play dumb and act like you don't know that.
You could've commented on any of my other reads I provided outside of Adorable if you were interested in engaging me. You could've commented on my call on Sirius being town, you could've evolved your read at all in light of further conversations between me/Adorable, but you haven't. To me, it looks like you've picked your pet scumread to comfortably sit back and tunnel on to avoid responsibility for doing anything else. Your passing mentions of Bulge and Datisi and xofelf as "things you will get to later" don't count. You promised an iso on Datisi, and instead went back to just shouting about how I'm scum for being ragey early on and then rightfully calling out Adorable for being a walking talking contradiction factory.green shirt thursdays- xRECKONERx
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